Posted by Bonny on March 02, 1998 at 04:36:58:
In response to Marianne's motivation, written by Shirley on February 28, 1998 at 14:38:26
] I thought I'd venture beyond the P&P board for the first time.
hi and welcome. I am not even supposed to be on this board. Coming to Pemberley now constitutes my homework as I'm taking an "Austen and her contemporaries" course, studying every novel except S&S, so I had intended to avoid coming here and focus on the other boards, but I can't help it.
] I agree that the characters are very similar in some ways, I think that it is offset by the motivation for their imagining. Anne Shirley used her imagination to obscure her unhappy reality in the early years of her life, and then got so good at it, that she just kept doing it even though the need was gone. Anne's imagining focuses on making something beautiful out of the ugly or bad, and seems a lot more elaborate too.
Great points on Anne, very insightful.
] Marianne seems to be a romantic just for the sake of it, and IMHO seems to focus on the tragedy aspect of romantic thought.
Could you elaborate here? Should we make a novel /book distinction? I think in the film it was Thompson's script which forwarded the tragic element in Marianne's thought. She had her bring up Juliet, Guinevere, heloise, choose a tragically romantic poem for Ed. to read and most interesting of all, and I'm assuming this is what your post is getting at her handling of the Willoughby disappointment. I don't think Marianne wanted any thing other than a happy ending for her and Wil. But in her reading she had taught herself the beauty of a tragic one, and once "betrayed " by him she found almost a perverse delight in casting herself as a tragic heroine, relinquishing personal responsibility almost to the point of self destruction, and I think the movie brought out this point, but I only fully realised it in reading the screenplay. I'm referring to the "sonnet" scene where Ma. walks to Combe Magna(not all the way to, but you know what I mean ) in the rain. Thompson writes that an eerie smile plays round her lips as she whispers "Willoughby", and it's like shes sacrificing herself on an altar of ideal romantic love, for him. It's Thompson who extracts this element, and I'm not saying its not there,(she and you probably know more about romantic poetry conventions + how far they can be applied to Ma.), but it's more dominant in the film than in my reading of the novel. the only thing I can think of in the book is that El. teases her to admit she would find a fever interesting (over other ailments, say rheumatism). ma. discovers the reality of a fever is not so romantic, must take a more rational view..In the film her fever catapults Col. Brandon into a more active romantic heroic role, as he rides off into the night on a mission(theres a Horse/Man/Power thing working at through the visual cues ) Anyway, this post is all over the place, and I think I've contradicted myself a lot, but I'm just trying to get at what you think, and at what I think. See you at P&P,- Bonny
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