The extent of Luddism
Posted by Linden on May 24, 1998 at 20:28:40:
In response to Okay, before we start, written by Caroline on May 23, 1998 at 23:50:38
] Riots were not rare, and were not just a result of the changes in the textile industry.
Agreed. But the Luddite rebellion (I'm sticking to that word rather than "riot") was something more.
] Although the Luddite riots were the most famous , there were instances in other years. To find out if 1805 was a quieter year, I'm going to have to do some looking....please bear with me.
Thanks - I'll look too.
] The riots were concentrated in the cities, obviously...
No. The strongest areas of Luddite activity were in the small textile villages, where everyone knew everyone else. This was its main strength in Notts and the West Riding. They knew exactly which frames to break, and avoided those of people who were doing the right thing (ie in stocking-making, providing "full fashioned work at the old fashioned price" rather that cheap shoddy stockings).
For Pemberleyans who don't know that part of England, there are large numbers of small country villages with (at least once) an industrial as well as an agricultural component (and often mining). We are so used to thinking of the North of England as Manchester, Sheffield etc. that we forget the industrial villages. (BTW: if anyone from outside the UK is planning a holiday, they are well worth visiting, as they are often very beautiful. Think of the BBC shows like "All creatures great and small" and "Heartbeats," or DH Lawrence's "Lady Chatterley's Lover" and you'll get a good idea.)
] Did you have a particular location in mind for Pemberley? Although there is some dispute about where it "is" exactly, none of the suggested places are industrialised ones .
Totally wild guess, on which none of my argument is based, is that I'd put Pemberley within 30 miles of "The Dukeries," chock full of stately homes, on the S Yorks border with Notts/Derby. If Mr Bingley is a Yorkshireman, as his name suggests, he might well decide to settle there ("in a neighbouring county" to Darcy and Lizzy.)
I shall attempt in the near future to get a map of the area posted, but as I haven't posted a graphic before, it may take me a little while to work out how to do it.
] The other thing that you should remember is that any kind of civil unrest only really affects the area it happens in. If there are riots on Nottingham, it doesn't affect the sleepy little town of Lambton, Derbyshire very much. People still farm their land, milk their cows, visit their childhood haunts. This might be hard to understand, but if you live in a place of civil unrest, or near a place of civil unrest, you don't stop doing normal things- in fact you carry on with normality as a way of dealing with it. I can only explain this from my own experience, about which I'm a bit reluctant to expand too much, but I can assure you that if a bomb goes off one day, ten miles away from you, you don't stop your normal routine.You carry on as normally as you can.
] I too have been caught up in civil unrest which wasn't directed at me (a religious war against Muslim heretics in Kano in Nigeria). We did not go about our normal business without mentioning it. It was the main topic of conversation, and did affect our daily lives in what we were prevented from doing.
] All this doesn't negate the fact that you are quite right, and that 1805 has Nov.26 as a tuesday, just as 1811 does. I'm not sure why Chapman picked 1811 over 1805, but I think I've got his reasoning somewhere..give me a bit of time to look for it, will you?
] Meanwhile, if anyone else has any thoughts, please put them up! Challenging Chapman is a rather cheeky thing to do- however, it could prove interesting!
And why not!
Thanks for joining in.
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