Okay, before we start
Posted by Caroline on May 23, 1998 at 23:50:38:
In response to Luddites and P&P dates, written by Linden on May 23, 1998 at 19:07:14
Linden, I think you'd better explain your comment about Fitzwilliam, Earl of _________. Since he is a fiction, You are going to have to work hard to explain why he's in Yorkshire: I'm not saying you are wrong,only that if you are going to treat it as fact, it had better hold up to scrutiny.
(My own particular take on this one- the real Earls of Holdernesse were diplomats in the foreign office, and dabbled in the affairs of Canada before the Earldom became extict in the 1770's. Also the Army was led mainly by second sons and the like- what would an Earl be doing with the Army?)
Secondly, about the rioting. Riots were not rare, and were not just a result of the changes in the textile industry. Although the Luddite riots were the most famous , there were instances in other years. To find out if 1805 was a quieter year, I'm going to have to do some looking....please bear with me. The riots were concentrated in the cities, obviously, whilst The Gardiners were, for the most part in areas which were not urbanised.En route to Pemberley, they toured Blenheim and Chatsworth, amongst other places: these are not in industrialised areas.Did you have a particular location in mind for Pemberley? Although there is some dispute about where it "is" exactly, none of the suggested places are industrialised ones .
(My opinion- For what it's worth? Mavis Batey puts forward the case for a tiny little place calle Ilham, in Dovedale, at the confluence of the Manifold and and Dove, which is the most convincing I have yet seen. That's about as remote as Derbyshire gets)
The other thing that you should remember is that any kind of civil unrest only really affects the area it happens in. If there are riots on Nottingham, it doesn't affect the sleepy little town of Lambton, Derbyshire very much. People still farm their land, milk their cows, visit their childhood haunts. This might be hard to understand, but if you live in a place of civil unrest, or near a place of civil unrest, you don't stop doing normal things- in fact you carry on with normality as a way of dealing with it. I can only explain this from my own experience, about which I'm a bit reluctant to expand too much, but I can assure you that if a bomb goes off one day, ten miles away from you, you don't stop your normal routine.You carry on as normally as you can.
All this doesn't negate the fact that you are quite right, and that 1805 has Nov.26 as a tuesday, just as 1811 does. I'm not sure why Chapman picked 1811 over 1805, but I think I've got his reasoning somewhere..give me a bit of time to look for it, will you?
Meanwhile, if anyone else has any thoughts, please put them up! Challenging Chapman is a rather cheeky thing to do- however, it could prove interesting!
- The extent of Luddism Linden 20:28:40 5/24/98 (0)
- OOPS! A correction.... Caroline 10:36:43 5/24/98 (3)
- OOPS! A correction.... Caroline 10:35:00 5/24/98 (0)
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