Posted by P. Bingham on March 01, 1998 at 12:23:38:
In response to I'm glad you brought this up..., written by Kathy hammel on February 28, 1998 at 12:26:38
Were not fashion plates essentially advertisements though? And advertisers would want to appeal to the largest audience they could so of course they would use slim-built women (where this and you'll look like this). Also, are these drawings of stays actually a fashionplate or an advertisement? Stays were very much used during the latter era so stay manufacturer's must have suffered a set-back or at least an inconvenience when they supposedly went out of fashion.
I sincerely don't mean to be irritating. But when everything that I have ever read on the subject (and I've read plenty) is being contradicted, especially many contemporary comments on the subject are being contradicted, I'd like to be completely convinced. And I am not convinced at all, based on the reasons the posts on this subject have given. 1. The ladies being slim and lovely doesn't help me because all advertisers use slim & lovely women (large-sixed models for large-size clothes is mostly a modern thing). 2. The fact that they are in fashion-plates doesn't help me because I am assuming that a fashion-plate is an advertisement, this is what I have understood, and I've read before that they were essentially advertisements. Because they were in a very fashionable magazine doesn't prove anything to me because the magazine payed well allow it there. Many women would have worn the stays of course, but the question is, would it have been worn automatically, just like the corset would have been worn. When every fine lady in the land woke up in the morning, before donning her morning clothes, did she say, where is my stay? If anyone knows more on the subject of fashionplates, I would appreciate it. There are so many here who believe the stay was fashionable so that in itself tells me I am probably wrong. 3. If these sketches of stays are in advertisements, that doesn't help me at all, either. It only proves that they were widely available, not that they put women in the first stare for wearing them.
Thank you for for the book recommendation. I suppose that one will answere all these questions and clear the subject for me! I'll definately look for it. I've not read it.
And once again, I don't mean to be irritating. But like Caroline needed more information in order to be convinced that chocolate was also used for eating in England during the Regency, I need more info too to be convinced too.
- Fashion Plates/stays Kathy Hammel 13:48:45 3/01/98 (1)
- thanks again... Patricia Bingham 16:04:41 3/01/98 (0)
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