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Posted by Ann on November 14, 1996 at 22:57:30:
] ] Austen's line is:
] ] "I told him of all that had occurred to make my former interference in his affairs absurd and impertinent. His suprise was great, He had never had the slightest suspicion."
] ] In your version, what "had occured", if not Darcy's approach of Elizabeth? Yes, Darcy had a change of heart about his interference in Bingley's life, but it is the reason for the change that he confesses to Bingley, and it is this disclosure that suprises Bingley.
] ] Ann
]
] _______
] What "had occurred" was Darcy's active interference, his influence in keeping Bingley in London instead of returning to Netherfield, his attempt to convince Bingley that Jane did not care for him, and his purposely concealing from Bingley that Jane had been in London for all that time.
] Joan, too
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Bingley was already well aware of Darcy's interference. Darcy was, after all, the one who persuaded him to remain in London. Simply not telling Bingley that Jane was in London, would hardly be enough to create impertinence and absurdity.
A few paragraphs later he mentions telling Bingley of Jane's stay in London. "I was obliged to confess one thing which for a time, and not unjustly, offended him. I could not allow myself to conceal that your sister had been in town three months last winter--that I had known it and purposely kept it from him." This statement seems to exist seperate from the confession that Darcy ought to have made long ago.
Ann
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Posted by Paula on November 14, 1996 at 23:00:14:
] ] Do you think he's blowing it? What do others think?
] ] --Paula
]
] _______
] Blowing his chance for what? Fame and notoriety? Paparazzi and freaked out fans following you everywhere? Complete loss of privacy and personal life? Fame ain't necessarily all it's cracked up to be.
] Joan, too
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Good point. Maybe that's all the more reason to admire Colin -- he's not obsessed with becoming a superstar. He seems to be interested in just plain being a good actor, which is rather remarkable... I think he has the talent and charisma to be a big star if he wanted to be, though.
--Paula
Posted by Donna on November 14, 1996 at 23:02:33:
] ] "He will make sure that his friend does not renew his addresses to you." The whole point I thought is that Lizzie felt bad for Jane loss.
] ] Donna
]
] _______
] In this conversation, Lizzie's main focus is that, because of Lydia's disgrace, no reputable man will want anything to do with any of the Bennet sisters. Jane came in to ask her what she had meant by the remark that she had made earlier, that more things than Lydia's reputation had been ruined.
] And in this line of thought, she lets it slip out both that Mr. Darcy knows about their "troubles" and that he will make certain that his friend does not renew his addresses to Jane (which should rightfully be none of Darcy's business anyway). Of course she feels bad for Jane's loss, but she is beginning to feel bad for her own loss - now that she finally realizes that she cares for Darcy, Lydia has made it impossible that Darcy will ever ask a second time.
] Joan, too
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Oh I agree Joan but I just thought I make that point,but for her still to think that ill of him after being at Pemeberly,
I quess it was the way he left the LambtonInn. Still it was very unfair of her to say that don't you think.
Donna
Posted by Paula on November 14, 1996 at 23:04:28:
] I think he's ambivalent about fame; he seems to want it and then runs away from it.
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Does this wanting it and running away remind you of anybody we know!!! hm....
Posted by Donna on November 14, 1996 at 23:05:42:
] ] ] : Bruce What? Van Who?
] ] ] Grace
] ]
] ] _______
] ] Now I really don't know if you're pulling my leg! In case you're not:
] ] Bruce Hornesby is an American keyboards player. I'd guess West coast. We have 2 CDs: 'Harbour Lights' and 'Hot House Blues'.
] ] Van Morrison is Irish, from Dublin. Started back in the 60s; lead singer of Them, who did 'Gloria'. Then went on to a solo career, which is still going. His songs vary from rock through blues, to a kind of talking blues, and there is often a meditave or spiritual element to them. Lots of albums: 'Astral weeks' from the late 60s made his name, though not really on the charts. His homepage is:
] ] http://www.harbour.sfu.ca/~hayward/van/van.html
] ] Hilary
] ]
]
] _______
]
] Didn't Mr. Bingley sing about Jane "She's as sweet as Tupelo Honey, She's an Angel of the first degree..."?
] - Candace
_______
What do you do for a living "Stand up comedy"
Donna
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Posted by Inko on November 14, 1996 at 23:06:55:
] I hope this helps:
snip
] Ann
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What Lizzie actually sang at Pemberley was:
"Say ye who borrow
Love's fleeting spell,
What is this sorrow
None can dispel?
What is this sorrow
None can dispel."
It's either from a poem or an old song - I know I heard it at school in England. Maybe it's what they used for the English version of Voi che sapete?
By the way, the A&E original version was close-captioned and the captioning came out on my original tape. One day I had the sound muted and the captions on my screen when I saw in the first bedroom scene between Lizzie and Jane that Lizzie said "I could never love a man out of his wits" instead of "without any wit"! Conjures up a very different picture.
Inko
Posted by Ann on November 14, 1996 at 23:16:04:
Here's the history, from Jane Austen In Style by Susan Watkins:
"In 1799 Mrs. Leigh-Perrot, the wife of Mrs. Austen's brother, was arrested and charged with stealing a card of white lace from a milliner's shop in Bath. The value of the lace was high enough to categorize her offence as a capital crime, which usually demanded death by hanging If found guilty or, more likely in this instance, exile in Botany Bay. The proud Mrs. Leigh-Perrot was imprisoned for eight months before her case came to trial, during which time Mrs. Austen, who felt sympathy for her sister-in-law, offered Jane and Cassandra as companions to cheer the woman while she was in gaol; but the offer was refused. At her trial, which opened on 27 March 1800, before a courtroom of two thousand persons, Mrs. Leigh-Perrot was allowed to make a brief statement in her own defence. Her words were few, but carried great emotion. It took the jury less than ten minutes to decide upon her innocence. During the same assize, five of Mrs. Leigh-Perrot's fellow prisoners were sentenced to death; among them was a fourteen-year-old burglar."
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Posted by Donna on November 14, 1996 at 23:17:06:
] ] ] Austen's line is:
] ] ] "I told him of all that had occurred to make my former interference in his affairs absurd and impertinent. His suprise was great, He had never had the slightest suspicion."
] ] ] In your version, what "had occured", if not Darcy's approach of Elizabeth? Yes, Darcy had a change of heart about his interference in Bingley's life, but it is the reason for the change that he confesses to Bingley, and it is this disclosure that suprises Bingley.
] ] ] Ann
] ]
] ] _______
] ] What "had occurred" was Darcy's active interference, his influence in keeping Bingley in London instead of returning to Netherfield, his attempt to convince Bingley that Jane did not care for him, and his purposely concealing from Bingley that Jane had been in London for all that time.
] ] Joan, too
]
] _______
] Bingley was already well aware of Darcy's interference. Darcy was, after all, the one who persuaded him to remain in London. Simply not telling Bingley that Jane was in London, would hardly be enough to create impertinence and absurdity.
] A few paragraphs later he mentions telling Bingley of Jane's stay in London. "I was obliged to confess one thing which for a time, and not unjustly, offended him. I could not allow myself to conceal that your sister had been in town three months last winter--that I had known it and purposely kept it from him." This statement seems to exist seperate from the confession that Darcy ought to have made long ago.
] Ann
_______
How would you like to be lied to. He kept the truth from his best friend who was in love. It was none of his busniess. Darcy knew it was a rotten thing to do. Bingley left Nfield in a big hurry don't you think he would have like to see Jane again. That is what Darcy was afraid of.
Donna
Posted by Candace on November 14, 1996 at 23:19:42:
] ] ] ] Or is there a way to split the board into 2 or more pages, so there would be a P&PBB(a) and a P&PBB(b) (or more). Each one could be kept relatively small so that the load time would be kept down, but the overall length could be maintained.
] ] ] ] Ann
] ] ]
] ] ] _______
] ] ]
] ] ] I like this idea, that way the threads can be maintained intact until they die a natural death and then can go to the Great Message Bin in the Sky.
] ] ] Just my uninformed two cents worth!
] ] ] Cheryl
] ]
] ] _______
] ]
] ] I hate to bring this subject up again -- but -- when I told my husband about how many of us there are now and how fast the threads come and go he suggested that we split up into two groups: Those who like Mr. Darcy on the right and those who like Mr. Darcy on the left.
] ] - Candace
]
] _______
]
] What do you mean Candance right and left.
] Donna
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Were you not here for the Daggy thread?
- Candace
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Posted by Donna on November 14, 1996 at 23:25:25:
] Here's the history, from Jane Austen In Style by Susan Watkins:
] "In 1799 Mrs. Leigh-Perrot, the wife of Mrs. Austen's brother, was arrested and charged with stealing a card of white lace from a milliner's shop in Bath. The value of the lace was high enough to categorize her offence as a capital crime, which usually demanded death by hanging If found guilty or, more likely in this instance, exile in Botany Bay. The proud Mrs. Leigh-Perrot was imprisoned for eight months before her case came to trial, during which time Mrs. Austen, who felt sympathy for her sister-in-law, offered Jane and Cassandra as companions to cheer the woman while she was in gaol; but the offer was refused. At her trial, which opened on 27 March 1800, before a courtroom of two thousand persons, Mrs. Leigh-Perrot was allowed to make a brief statement in her own defence. Her words were few, but carried great emotion. It took the jury less than ten minutes to decide upon her innocence. During the same assize, five of Mrs. Leigh-Perrot's fellow prisoners were sentenced to death; among them was a fourteen-year-old burglar."
_______
Ann is this book still in print.
Donna
Posted by Candace on November 14, 1996 at 23:28:57:
] ] ] ] : Bruce What? Van Who?
] ] ] ] Grace
] ] ]
] ] ] _______
] ] ] Now I really don't know if you're pulling my leg! In case you're not:
] ] ] Bruce Hornesby is an American keyboards player. I'd guess West coast. We have 2 CDs: 'Harbour Lights' and 'Hot House Blues'.
] ] ] Van Morrison is Irish, from Dublin. Started back in the 60s; lead singer of Them, who did 'Gloria'. Then went on to a solo career, which is still going. His songs vary from rock through blues, to a kind of talking blues, and there is often a meditave or spiritual element to them. Lots of albums: 'Astral weeks' from the late 60s made his name, though not really on the charts. His homepage is:
] ] ] http://www.harbour.sfu.ca/~hayward/van/van.html
] ] ] Hilary
] ] ]
] ]
] ] _______
] ]
] ] Didn't Mr. Bingley sing about Jane "She's as sweet as Tupelo Honey, She's an Angel of the first degree..."?
] ] - Candace
]
] _______
] What do you do for a living "Stand up comedy"
] Donna
_______
No -- I'm an Accountant. Serious and dull by day but just like Clark Kent -- When the glasses come off, my personality changes.
- Candace
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Posted by Donna on November 14, 1996 at 23:29:49:
] ] ] ] ] Or is there a way to split the board into 2 or more pages, so there would be a P&PBB(a) and a P&PBB(b) (or more). Each one could be kept relatively small so that the load time would be kept down, but the overall length could be maintained.
] ] ] ] ] Ann
] ] ] ]
] ] ] ] _______
] ] ] ]
] ] ] ] I like this idea, that way the threads can be maintained intact until they die a natural death and then can go to the Great Message Bin in the Sky.
] ] ] ] Just my uninformed two cents worth!
] ] ] ] Cheryl
] ] ]
] ] ] _______
] ] ]
] ] ] I hate to bring this subject up again -- but -- when I told my husband about how many of us there are now and how fast the threads come and go he suggested that we split up into two groups: Those who like Mr. Darcy on the right and those who like Mr. Darcy on the left.
] ] ] - Candace
] ]
] ] _______
] ]
] ] What do you mean Candance right and left.
] ] Donna
]
] _______
]
] Were you not here for the Daggy thread?
] - Candace
_______
Oh now I get it.
Donna
Posted by Donna on November 14, 1996 at 23:35:39:
] ] ] ] ] : Bruce What? Van Who?
] ] ] ] ] Grace
] ] ] ]
] ] ] ] _______
] ] ] ] Now I really don't know if you're pulling my leg! In case you're not:
] ] ] ] Bruce Hornesby is an American keyboards player. I'd guess West coast. We have 2 CDs: 'Harbour Lights' and 'Hot House Blues'.
] ] ] ] Van Morrison is Irish, from Dublin. Started back in the 60s; lead singer of Them, who did 'Gloria'. Then went on to a solo career, which is still going. His songs vary from rock through blues, to a kind of talking blues, and there is often a meditave or spiritual element to them. Lots of albums: 'Astral weeks' from the late 60s made his name, though not really on the charts. His homepage is:
] ] ] ] http://www.harbour.sfu.ca/~hayward/van/van.html
] ] ] ] Hilary
] ] ] ]
] ] ]
] ] ] _______
] ] ]
] ] ] Didn't Mr. Bingley sing about Jane "She's as sweet as Tupelo Honey, She's an Angel of the first degree..."?
] ] ] - Candace
] ]
] ] _______
] ] What do you do for a living "Stand up comedy"
] ] Donna
]
] _______
]
] No -- I'm an Accountant. Serious and dull by day but just like Clark Kent -- When the glasses come off, my personality changes.
] - Candace
_______
Your kidding Who ever said Accountant don't have a sense of humor. I think you missed your calling.
Donna
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Posted by Donna on November 14, 1996 at 23:41:02:
] ] ] ] ] ] : Bruce What? Van Who?
] ] ] ] ] ] Grace
] ] ] ] ]
] ] ] ] ] _______
] ] ] ] ] Now I really don't know if you're pulling my leg! In case you're not:
] ] ] ] ] Bruce Hornesby is an American keyboards player. I'd guess West coast. We have 2 CDs: 'Harbour Lights' and 'Hot House Blues'.
] ] ] ] ] Van Morrison is Irish, from Dublin. Started back in the 60s; lead singer of Them, who did 'Gloria'. Then went on to a solo career, which is still going. His songs vary from rock through blues, to a kind of talking blues, and there is often a meditave or spiritual element to them. Lots of albums: 'Astral weeks' from the late 60s made his name, though not really on the charts. His homepage is:
] ] ] ] ] http://www.harbour.sfu.ca/~hayward/van/van.html
] ] ] ] ] Hilary
] ] ] ] ]
] ] ] ]
] ] ] ] _______
] ] ] ]
] ] ] ] Didn't Mr. Bingley sing about Jane "She's as sweet as Tupelo Honey, She's an Angel of the first degree..."?
] ] ] ] - Candace
] ] ]
] ] ] _______
] ] ] What do you do for a living "Stand up comedy"
] ] ] Donna
] ]
] ] _______
] ]
] ] No -- I'm an Accountant. Serious and dull by day but just like Clark Kent -- When the glasses come off, my personality changes.
] ] - Candace
]
] _______
] Your kidding Who ever said Accountant don't have a sense of humor. I think you missed your calling.
] Donna
_______
I am going to watch Dave Letterman getcha later.
Helena Bonham Carter is on to night.
Donna
Posted by Anna on November 14, 1996 at 23:43:15:
As we approach the end of the R&V, and I approach the week-end, I have been ruminating on the subtleties which give me such pleasure and reward so many viewings of P&P2. In R&V 6 two such spring to mind;
When Lizzy and Wickham are talking in the garden, after he has interrupted her reading of Mrs Gardiner's letter, Wickham mentions having seen Darcy in London, and wonders what he was doing there. In the text, Lizzy replies "perhaps preparing for his wedding with Miss De Bourgh" , as one phrase. In P&P2 the line is spoken as "perhaps preparing for the wedding, [pause, Wickham looks alarmed] with Miss De Bourgh" [Wickham looks relieved]. To me in P&P2 Lizzy was intending to Wickham to worry for a moment that she knew of Darcy's involvement in arranging Wickham's marriage. I don't think it's intended in the text, but I like it, and appreciate the subtle change Davies made when he added a comma, and changed one adjective for another.
The other detail that I really like in this episode comes after Jane has gone to tell her mother of her engagement, and Lizzy is left alone in the room. The background music changes, and, to my ears, is the tune that Georgiana was playing on the piano after the Pemberley dinner, and is in the background when Darcy is reviewing the evening. In the text we are told later that Lizzy had not overlooked the fact that JAne and Bingley's engagement would bring Darcy and Lizzy together more - I think the musical reprise is a lovely way of expressing that thought. (I may be wrong about this as I'm no musician, but I think it is so - please let me down gently).
It's Friday afternoon, the temperature outside is 32C (? about 90 F), the humidity is 99%. I'm going troppo for the weekend.
Have a good one yourselves
Anna
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