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Posted by The Mysterious H.C. on November 14, 1996 at 20:27:21:
] Who ARE you?
] Dina
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That's easy to answer: I'm the Mysterious H.C.!
Posted by Amy on November 14, 1996 at 20:37:53:
] I assume, then, that you have visited the JN page? (I will attempt to supply the link below, although it is easy to find using a search on Jeremy Northam.)
] kathleen
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Thanks, Kathleen. I heard on the Firthlist that there was a Northam board set up like this one. Here is the link direct to the BB --
Link:
Posted by Donna on November 14, 1996 at 20:40:27:
] ] ] ] Ok, Ian, why do you Aussies refer to Australia as "Oz"? Is it just a play on the sound of the word?
] ] ] ] Cheryl
] ] ] _______
] ] ] G'day Cheryl,
] ] ] It's a typical Aussie thing to try to shorten words to their nth degree, viz. Pom for Pommy for Pomegranate rhyming slang for immigrant. G'day is obviously a shortened form of "Good Day".
] ] ] Americans shorten United States of America to USA or even US so you might understand when Australia is shortened to "Oz". :)
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] ] _______
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] ] I understand, but "Oz" immediately conjures up images of yellow brick roads, scarecrows and wicked witches. I shall have to reorient my thinking when reading posts from those of you who actually live in "Oz."
] ] Cheryl
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] Hang on.. we do have yellow brick roads (down here in Melbourne swe have many different coloured roads), yeas we have scarecrows as well and we currently have a wicked witch named Pauline Hanson. :)
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Who is Pauline Hanson
Donna
Posted by The Mysterious H.C. on November 14, 1996 at 20:47:20:
] ] ] By the way, I can't get over the fact that you - teacher, artist, humanist -are married to a physicist. Definitive proof that opposites attract!
] ] ] Grace
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] ] He's an unusual physicist: loves literature, especially poetry; loves music (this is his soul food), and plays folk and blues guitar, as well as writing songs; and he's a humanist too. But, its strange that scientists quite often do have a wide knowledge in other disciplines, whereas it doesn't seem as true the other way round - arts people do not as often have a general grasp of science.
] ] Hilary
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] Some nice stereotyping of we physicists going on here (I have a B.A. in Physics and a M.S. in Engineering). But then Hilary comes up with a nice nonsequitor to break the typing. Thank you for pointing out that science types and physicist are not so narrow-minded and geekish as they are generally taken to be by the outside world. But how can you make such a statement on the liberal-mindedness of scientists in general, and then say that your beloved is unusual for his well-rounded interests. I would argue from my experience that such a well-rounded individual as your husband appears to be, is actually a normal healthy physicist, and is not in any way unusual for the breed.
] Ann
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By the way, I have a B.A. in Physics too....
Posted by The Mysterious H.C. on November 14, 1996 at 20:55:53:
] ] ] Ok, Ian, why do you Aussies refer to Australia as "Oz"?
] ] ] Cheryl
] ] _______
] ] It's a typical Aussie thing to try to shorten words to their nth degree,
] ] Americans shorten United States of America to USA or even US so you might understand when Australia is shortened to "Oz". :)
] _______
] I understand, but "Oz" immediately conjures up images of yellow brick roads, scarecrows and wicked witches. I shall have to reorient my thinking when reading posts from those of you who actually live in "Oz."
] Cheryl
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The stereotypical pronunciation is supposed to be "Oz-strile-ya" (or that's how it sounds to foreigners, at least...)
Posted by Donna on November 14, 1996 at 21:07:19:
] ] : Bruce What? Van Who?
] ] Grace
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] Now I really don't know if you're pulling my leg! In case you're not:
] Bruce Hornesby is an American keyboards player. I'd guess West coast. We have 2 CDs: 'Harbour Lights' and 'Hot House Blues'.
] Van Morrison is Irish, from Dublin. Started back in the 60s; lead singer of Them, who did 'Gloria'. Then went on to a solo career, which is still going. His songs vary from rock through blues, to a kind of talking blues, and there is often a meditave or spiritual element to them. Lots of albums: 'Astral weeks' from the late 60s made his name, though not really on the charts. His homepage is:
] http://www.harbour.sfu.ca/~hayward/van/van.html
] Hilary
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Hilary if I may say that Bruce Hornsby is a very talented pianist {thats what attracted me to him} after I saw his first video on MTV Mandolin Rain. He writes all of his own music most of the time his brother writes lyrics. He had a special on PBS included swing ,jazz, folk, and R&B. I have to confess I haven't kept up to date on his latest music. He lives in Williamsburg,Virginia which is athentic colonial town of 17-18 century great place and is 43 years old. He definitly has piano hands.
Always loved Van Morrison, Melloncamp but I am not up to date on their music.
Donna
Posted by Joan, too on November 14, 1996 at 21:10:46:
] Austen's line is:
] "I told him of all that had occurred to make my former interference in his affairs absurd and impertinent. His suprise was great, He had never had the slightest suspicion."
] In your version, what "had occured", if not Darcy's approach of Elizabeth? Yes, Darcy had a change of heart about his interference in Bingley's life, but it is the reason for the change that he confesses to Bingley, and it is this disclosure that suprises Bingley.
] Ann
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What "had occurred" was Darcy's active interference, his influence in keeping Bingley in London instead of returning to Netherfield, his attempt to convince Bingley that Jane did not care for him, and his purposely concealing from Bingley that Jane had been in London for all that time.
Joan, too
Posted by Donna on November 14, 1996 at 21:12:35:
] ] ] Don't you think credit for the depth should be shared by Firth with Davies and everyone responsible for the production who "got it" like we do?
] ] Yes, of course! Firth is an actor, a fine actor who brought the character of Darcy to life. But without the words of Austen and Davies, there would be no Darcy. If you'll pardon the analogy, Dr. Frankenstein created the monster but it was the lightning that animated him. (did that analogy work?)
] ] Also please say more about why your feelings for the Darcy character are so much more intimate.
] ] ] Amy
] ] More intimate than for Knightly? (I mean Mr. Knightly- I don't want to be accused of being a Mrs. Elton!) I do like the Mr. Knightly character, he is a very good man, not perfect, I like his grumpiness, but I can't help but feel that no matter how much he loves Emma (and he certainly does) they will never have a relatonship as equals, he has "instructed" her for too long, he has almost made her into the person that she is.
] ] Darcy, on the other hand, realizes that Lizzy is the better person, he has had to struggle to win her love, to make himself a better person to be worthy of her. He is so much more human than Mr. Knightly, more a real person. Mr. Knightly hasn't struggled (his only struggle was to hide his love for Emma) he waited for Emma to come up to his level. Darcy worked very hard to bring himself up to Lizzy' level.
] ] I guess I love Darcy for his faults and his efforts to overcome them. I also believe that Lizzy and Darcy will be truly equal partners in a way that Mr. Knightly and Emma never will.
] ] Cheryl
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] Cheryl,
] Your insight is right on target. I totally agree with you. But, oh, Mr. Knightly is so gorgeous. I like him very much, indeed. I think JN physically fits my idea of "my type" more then CF.
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JN played the bag guy in the Net, he was very bad, but cute.
Donna
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Posted by Raewyn on November 14, 1996 at 21:32:38:
] ] I may have myself all confused but it seems a little odd to me that here in NZ we can buy the set of tapes for NZ$49.95 but in the US they cost about US$69.95 (is that right?) but you can buy a CD for US$15 and we pay NZ$30.
] ] Any commments?
] ] Kate
I haven't quite figured it out either. I was under the impression that the exchange rate is around .75 (ie multiply the NZ price by .75 to get the US price) which would mean that the tapes should be $80 to $130 in NZ. I am very (pleasantly) surprised to find they are so cheap here.
Raewyn
Posted by Donna on November 14, 1996 at 21:33:12:
] ] ] According to historical details Mrs Jane Perrot, Jane Austen's aunt, was accused of shoplifting ... a crime which carried the penalty of transportation to Botany Bay.
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] ] While she was in jail (or should I say gaol) awaiting trial, Jane Austen's mother felt sorry for her and offered to send her Jane and Cassandra to keep her company. The offer was declined. I wonder how Jane Austen's fiction would have been different if she had experienced, volantarily, the insides of a prison?
] ] Ann
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] G'day Ann,
] Perhaps her novels may have had a harder edge like the novel "Clarissa". But then her novels would not be as charming and genteel.
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What happen to JA aunt.
Donna
Posted by Joan, too on November 14, 1996 at 21:36:43:
] ] Darcy now recognizes that his own pride had led him to the absurd conclusion that it was his responsibility to interfere at all.
] Anna:
] Does he? We are told in the text that Lizzy, while discussing Jane and Bingley's engagement with Darcy found that he had pretty much 'given his permission' before Bingley proposed; I don't think Darcy has completely reformed in this area.
No, years of habit can not be turned off like a faucet - it will take him a while even to recognize the full extent of his influence on Bingley and learn to avoid guiding him. But he has taken a significant step even if the effect may have been perceived by Bingley as giving permission.
] ]Ann(?):
] ] Yes, Darcy had a change of heart about his interference in Bingley's life, but it is the reason for the change that he confesses to Bingley, and it is this disclosure that suprises Bingley.
No, it is Darcy's interference that surprises Bingley, it had never occurred to him that his good friend Darcy would be capable of working against him, manipulating him in that way. In a way, admitting that to Bingley is very close to insulting him - almost the same as telling Bingley that he is a wishy-washy wimp and putty in Darcy's hands. Bingley had trusted Darcy, expected Darcy to be honest with him, and Darcy took advantage of that trust and was not honest with him. Bingley, who was incapable of being dishonest with anyone, was completely flabbergasted that Darcy, of all people, would have treated him that way.
Joan, too
Posted by Inko on November 14, 1996 at 21:37:47:
] ] ] I guess I love Darcy for his faults and his efforts to overcome them. I also believe that Lizzy and Darcy will be truly equal partners in a way that Mr. Knightly and Emma never will.
] ] ] Cheryl
] ] _______
] ] Cheryl,
] ] Your insight is right on target. I totally agree with you.
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Cheryl, I'm with you and your feelings during this entire thread. I also thought JN was a bit young looking for Mr. Knightly whereas CF was perfect in every way.
Inko
Posted by Donna on November 14, 1996 at 21:43:51:
] ] Jane was, of course, most eager for Lizzie to find a man who would make Lizzie as happy as Bingley made her, and as per the discussion some time ago of how the word might have reached Lady C. about a Lizzie/Darcy match, both Bingley and Jane could think of nothing that would make both of them happer than to see Jane's dear sister and Bingley's dear friend united - but of course they considered that impossible because of what both of them knew (and also because of what neither of them knew) about what Lizzie and Darcy thought of one another.
] ] Joan, too
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] Joan too, I agree with you that they both wished for such a match. And I think Bingley might have had some idea of how Darcy felt about Lizzie; Bingley was at Pemberley and why would Darcy have introduced his sister, invited them to dinner, etc. if D. hadn't been interested in her, and he could have even caught a glimpse of Darcy's "looks" but wouldn't have seen Lizzie's returning smile. Bingley might have guessed at Darcy's feelings without Darcy ever mentioning a word about Lizzie. And then Jane, of course, thought Lizzie was still indifferent about Darcy so a match was "impossible".
] Inko
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Bingley would not question Mr.Darcy about it either because it wouldn't be the proper thing to do.
Donna
Posted by Kelly on November 14, 1996 at 21:44:23:
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] ] Just caught it and it was given a very favorable review (as it has in every article I've read about it!)
] ] Cheryl
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] Just saw a clip about it on Access Hollywood. They said that it is already being mentioned as an Oscar contender (though they seem to say that about almost every movie).
] Didn't have any mention of CF.
] Anne
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What network is this to air on in the USA?
Posted by Rachel on November 14, 1996 at 21:45:11:
I have had trouble understanding the dialogue between Lizzy & Darcy when they dance at Netherfield; she says, "We must have some conversation, Mr. Darcy..." he is silent for a while then says "You talk by rule, then, when you are dancing?" The Lizzy answers "Yes, sometimes it is ______." What is she saying after"it is"? One more question: At Pemberley when she sings "Voi Che sapete" the arietta from Mozart's Marriage of Figaro - she sings it in English. can anyone make out what she is singing in the first line? "____________, love's fleeting spell. What is this sorrow nought can dispel...etc." Thanks, Rachel
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Posted by Inko on November 14, 1996 at 21:50:29:
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] ] "I think" Colin is genetically one of those "lords of creation"- so powerfully alluring to females that they can't help "falling for him," (regardless of what their reason may tell them).
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] ] _______
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] I do find Firth as Darcy very attractive, but he does nothing for me in the other roles I've seen him in; Circle of Friends, Valmont, The Advocate. I gave up after that and went back to P&P2. For me, the acting is the most important .
] Anna
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I also find Firth very attractive as Darcy, but it's his acting ability that I admire, especially in "Another Country" and "Apartment Zero". It's his acting through his eyes that get me every time!
Inko
Posted by Inko on November 14, 1996 at 21:54:41:
] This is the beginning of the new Daily Express article about Colin at FoF site. It's a three-part article, the link below is part one. Talk to you all later ... I have to go back and finish up the article.
] Zimei
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Zimei, I'm curious - is this article going to be printed on December 20, 1996 or was it an old article? The ages, and some of the facts seem very dated - like two years old. Do you know the answers?
Inko
Posted by Candace on November 14, 1996 at 21:56:41:
] I have had trouble understanding the dialogue between Lizzy & Darcy when they dance at Netherfield; she says, "We must have some conversation, Mr. Darcy..." he is silent for a while then says "You talk by rule, then, when you are dancing?" The Lizzy answers "Yes, sometimes it is ______." What is she saying after"it is"? One more question: At Pemberley when she sings "Voi Che sapete" the arietta from Mozart's Marriage of Figaro - she sings it in English. can anyone make out what she is singing in the first line? "____________, love's fleeting spell. What is this sorrow nought can dispel...etc." Thanks, Rachel
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The answer to your first question, I believe is "Yes, sometimes it is best." I do not know the answer to your second question.
- Candace
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