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Posted by Terese on November 14, 1996 at 18:32:09:
] ] Don't you think credit for the depth should be shared by Firth with Davies and everyone responsible for the production who "got it" like we do?
] Yes, of course! Firth is an actor, a fine actor who brought the character of Darcy to life. But without the words of Austen and Davies, there would be no Darcy. If you'll pardon the analogy, Dr. Frankenstein created the monster but it was the lightning that animated him. (did that analogy work?)
] Also please say more about why your feelings for the Darcy character are so much more intimate.
] ] Amy
] More intimate than for Knightly? (I mean Mr. Knightly- I don't want to be accused of being a Mrs. Elton!) I do like the Mr. Knightly character, he is a very good man, not perfect, I like his grumpiness, but I can't help but feel that no matter how much he loves Emma (and he certainly does) they will never have a relatonship as equals, he has "instructed" her for too long, he has almost made her into the person that she is.
] Darcy, on the other hand, realizes that Lizzy is the better person, he has had to struggle to win her love, to make himself a better person to be worthy of her. He is so much more human than Mr. Knightly, more a real person. Mr. Knightly hasn't struggled (his only struggle was to hide his love for Emma) he waited for Emma to come up to his level. Darcy worked very hard to bring himself up to Lizzy' level.
] I guess I love Darcy for his faults and his efforts to overcome them. I also believe that Lizzy and Darcy will be truly equal partners in a way that Mr. Knightly and Emma never will.
] Cheryl
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Cheryl,
Your insight is right on target. I totally agree with you. But, oh, Mr. Knightly is so gorgeous. I like him very much, indeed. I think JN physically fits my idea of "my type" more then CF.
Posted by Hilary on November 14, 1996 at 18:37:46:
] ] Do we have any other Van Morrison fans here besides me?
] ] Hilary
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] Me. Moondance is perfection. It sings my heart, as Roberta Flack would say.
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I love 'Moondance', too, and 'Stoned me'. And what about 'Brown Eyed Girl', 'Sweet Thing', 'Madame Gearge' and all those other wonderful things on 'Astral Weeks'. I like the newer stuff too.
I was looking at his homepage the other night, an interview in which he talked about songs being meditations or preparations for meditation. I've always felt that about his more dreamy songs. And strangely enough, when you put your Darcy (bathroom tile) picture up, and said something about playing around with the image because there was some spiritual connection there, I suddenly thought maybe there were some fans here. I wonder if this is gobbledy-gook???
Hilary
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Posted by Geoffrey Gardiner on November 14, 1996 at 18:48:57:
The updating of the value of 10000 pounds depends on the starting point as there was considerable inflation during the Napoleonic wars. Britain was off the gold standard, and when it went back in 1821(?) a thirty per cent deflation was needed.
The day of the week is given as well as the day of the month for the Netherfield ball so the years in which the book could have been set are limited. One of the the two possible years in the 1790s seems most likely. That would precede some of the inflation, so the multiplier of 90 or so for the price of gold may be an indication.
If Mr Darcy`s wealth was in farmland, his descendants were in for a nasty time. 1814 was a peak year for the value of farm land. After that it fell as the governments of the 19th century destroyed British agriculture. The low point was in about 1926 when land in Hampshire, near Jane`s home, went for as little as 2 pounds and acre. The 1814 price was not reached in nominal terms till about 1949, and the I reckon the real value in 1968. The present nominal price of farmland is perhaps 40 to 80 times the 1814 value. Land which commanded a rent of 108 new pence an acre in 1770 was worth only 25 new pence an acre in 1930.
Let us hope Darcy had other ways of making money. The Leghs, who owned Lyme Park which stood in for Pemberley in the video, had industrial interests.
Posted by kathleen on November 14, 1996 at 18:58:30:
] Ann2, your drawing helped me put a lot of things into perspective. The room looks so different (shot from different angles) in every scene that I was getting confused as to where everything belonged! Thank you so much. What a lot of time and work you put into this. I assure you, your efforts do not go unappreciated.
] Cheryl
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Indeed, it helps greatly. I would like to study it further -- is there some way to save it? (Amy??)
kathleen
Posted by Grace on November 14, 1996 at 18:59:45:
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] The Netherfield drawing room
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: Thank you for this. It helps end some of my confusion. I'll have to pay closer attention next time I see the video. Grace
Posted by Hilary on November 14, 1996 at 19:05:38:
] ] ] ] I think we can all agree that Colin Firth as Darcy is very sexy, but exactly what is it about him? I love the ] ______
] Colin is genetically one of those "lords of creation"- meaning a strong, attractive, intelligent male whose traits are so powerfully alluring to females that they can't help "falling for him," (regardless of what their reason may tell them). Something like what Amy and others in the Biology thread refer to, only from the male of the species angle instead of female. ...
but when women/girls I know talk about P&P2 and CF, you can see in their eyes/blushing/body language how entirely "taken" they are with this man.
]
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This isn't quite on topic, but evidently there is a theory that our concept of beauty is based on what is average. In other words, if you got 100 photos of faces of men (or women) and averaged them into one, you would end up with a face that would fit our concept of a beautiful person. So people who are recognized as beautiful, like models or actors, have faces closest to the average, rather than faces that you remember because of odd or strong features. Some people think CF has a non-descript face - maybe the theory fits.
The genetic reasoning for all this seems to be that there is sex selection of symmetry of features in a mate, because it is a sign of being in good condition and less stress in growing up, and we want the best to be passed on in our off- spring.
Hilary
Posted by Grace on November 14, 1996 at 19:09:52:
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] ]
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] ] I would like to learn how to do screen saver or wallpaper is this very complicated. How do you add your own music.
] ] Thanks Donna
]
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] If you are on Windows 95 it is really easy to save as wallpaper -- just right click on the picture and select SAVE AS WALLPAPER. You wouldn't really want it as a screen saver unless you are paging through several photos. Purpose of a screen saver is to keep the same pixels from being used all of the time (as in leaving one picture up all of the time).
] Don't know how to create a wallpaper in Windows 3.1.
] Anne
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:Donna, I did the music in Windows 95, using Creative Labs
Wavestudio for Soundblaster. There may be an equivalent for Windows 3.1. You play the CD with the CD player and record in Wavestudio, saving to disk as a .wav file. The business of associating system sounds with .wav files is done from control panel in Windows 95. Anyone know how to do it in Windows 3.1?
Grace
Posted by Kelly on November 14, 1996 at 19:11:44:
I saw the message about looking for the latest article
on Colin Firth elsewhere on the Board and it brought to
mind the question: What's a good magazine to keep up
on what new series are coming out and what's happening
with the careers of the performers we love?
As a Mom to a young baby I don't have a lot of money
to throw around on lots of magazines - or the time to
cruise the indexes at the newsstands.
Also, AMY! I've been overlooked! Please add me to the
P&P2 Family list! I'm 27 from Virginia, USA
Thanks!
A
Posted by Grace on November 14, 1996 at 19:12:22:
] ] ] Do we have any other Van Morrison fans here besides me?
] ] ] Hilary
] ] _______
] ] Me. Moondance is perfection. It sings my heart, as Roberta Flack would say.
]
] _______
] I love 'Moondance', too, and 'Stoned me'. And what about 'Brown Eyed Girl', 'Sweet Thing', 'Madame Gearge' and all those other wonderful things on 'Astral Weeks'. I like the newer stuff too.
] I was looking at his homepage the other night, an interview in which he talked about songs being meditations or preparations for meditation. I've always felt that about his more dreamy songs. And strangely enough, when you put your Darcy (bathroom tile) picture up, and said something about playing around with the image because there was some spiritual connection there, I suddenly thought maybe there were some fans here. I wonder if this is gobbledy-gook???
] Hilary
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: Bruce What? Van Who?
Grace
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Posted by Grace on November 14, 1996 at 19:17:38:
] ] ] ] Don't forget to tape this a.m. (7 a.m. EST; 4a.m., California) if you're in USA and get A&E.
] ] ] ____
] ] ] Coffee definitely helps - cappucino if there's time. I hope your tape worked out better than mine, Cecily.
] ] ] : Janet
] ] _______
] ]
] ] : I'm hopeless. Would you believe I forgot today was Wednesday?
] ] I'm hopeless... and tapeless, Grace
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] Grace,
] Hearfelt commiserations. Hope you remember next week. It's reassuring to know I'm not the only one who has problems with taping!!
] Bernie
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: Bernie, at least you can always blame your taping problems on your husband. I have no such excuse. Guess I have to go out and buy the official set. Grace
Anne, not even a million post-its could help me!
Posted by kathleen on November 14, 1996 at 19:24:59:
]. . . Forgive me, but I prefer JN to CF...
] - K
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I assume, then, that you have visited the JN page? (I will attempt to supply the link below, although it is easy to find using a search on Jeremy Northam.)
kathleen
Link:
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Posted by Grace on November 14, 1996 at 19:29:08:
] ] ] : Oh, the improvement of our minds by extensive reading of this board. I've learned the meaning of 'daggy' and 'swishy' and now can throw around 'Auntie Beeb' and 'Pom'! But, Bernie, you never educated us about 'Wobbing'.
] ] ] Grace
] ] ] _______
] ] Wobbing -- Waste of bandwidth. Generally accepted to mean sending posts which have absolutely no relevance to the topic discussed, hence wasting bandwidth.
] ] Glad to be of service.
] ] Bernie
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] G'day,
] Then Bernie, Grace and I have all been wobbing. Oh what fun!
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: Wobbing's a weally, weally wondewful word for we who waste width.
Posted by Hilary on November 14, 1996 at 19:38:18:
] : Bruce What? Van Who?
] Grace
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Now I really don't know if you're pulling my leg! In case you're not:
Bruce Hornesby is an American keyboards player. I'd guess West coast. We have 2 CDs: 'Harbour Lights' and 'Hot House Blues'.
Van Morrison is Irish, from Dublin. Started back in the 60s; lead singer of Them, who did 'Gloria'. Then went on to a solo career, which is still going. His songs vary from rock through blues, to a kind of talking blues, and there is often a meditave or spiritual element to them. Lots of albums: 'Astral weeks' from the late 60s made his name, though not really on the charts. His homepage is:
http://www.harbour.sfu.ca/~hayward/van/van.html
Hilary
Posted by Anne on November 14, 1996 at 19:42:48:
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It's amazing -- I was thinking of a plan like Henry's just this morning. I will be gone for a few days on business (11/22 to 11/26) and it boggles the mind at how many posts I will miss. Especially since we are starting R&V for P&P1.
A staging area would be good. The various 'topic' rooms would be good except that our threads tend to branch out into new topics mid-stream. However, however you wish to handle this will be accepted cheerfully by the entire family.
Anne
Posted by Grace on November 14, 1996 at 19:42:56:
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] ] Some nice stereotyping of we physicists going on here (I have a B.A. in Physics and a M.S. in Engineering). But then Hilary comes up with a nice nonsequitor to break the typing. Thank you for pointing out that science types and physicist are not so narrow-minded and geekish as they are generally taken to be by the outside world.
] ] Ann
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But (here I go again!) he himself, while acknowledging this about scientists in general, I think would say that physicists are often more serious in outlook than a lot of other scientists.
] Hilary
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: Hilary, I was just going by the physicists I know (with the exception of Ann, of course) who are definitely a breed apart - but that is of little consequence.
The important thing here is - does your Michael have any brothers? ...........I know a lot of single women who would be willing to relocate for a man with an IQ above 75.
Grace
(Sorry to be wobbing, but my friends are wooking for wuv.)
Posted by Grace on November 14, 1996 at 19:46:03:
] ] ] ] Did Mr. Darcy ever smoke a cigar? If so, was his cigar just a cigar? ;-)
] ] ] ] - K
] ] ]
] ] ] And which side did he smoke it?
] ] ] - Candace
] ]
] ] _______
] ] LOL!!
] ] Ann
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] LOL! Well done Candace.
] Hilary
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: Now, now, let's not get lit up again, ladies.
Grace
Posted by Anne on November 14, 1996 at 19:47:11:
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Thanks Amy .
You can delete this entire thread now.
Posted by Hilary on November 14, 1996 at 19:49:48:
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] ] I've just found it by accident! Helen E. Fisher, 1992, 'Anatomy of Love: The Natural History of Monogamy, Adultery and Divorce', Norton, New York. Sound like the right one?
] ] Hilary
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] Bless you. But how does one run across such a thing by accident?
] Amy
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By neglecting all responsibility: spending the morning here burning up money on the internet and paging through 'The Red Queen' to find out about sex and beauty. There it was in a nutshell, and referenced in the back. While all God-fearing people are hard at work. Better go!
Hilary
Posted by Grace on November 14, 1996 at 19:51:24:
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] ] I've just found it by accident! Helen E. Fisher, 1992, 'Anatomy of Love: The Natural History of Monogamy, Adultery and Divorce', Norton, New York. Sound like the right one?
] ] Hilary
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]
] Bless you. But how does one run across such a thing by accident?
] Amy
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: Whether you run across it by accident, or on purpose - it sounds too depressing to me.
Grace
(P.S. The Carey books did come in and are of more interest. Also was able to get a copy of the Tave book.)
Posted by The Mysterious H.C. on November 14, 1996 at 20:27:06:
] Who ARE you?
] Dina
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That's easy to answer: I'm the Mysterious H.C.!
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