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Posted by Rebecca on November 13, 1996 at 23:45:01:
] ] ] Check out the November article on Colin. Click on LINKS at the top of this posting page, then Friends of Firth, then Articles on Firth, then Sunday MAIL 10 November 1996.
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] ] Just read the article, thanks for letting us know. My impression is that Firth could be a big star if he wanted to be, but he doesn't seem to be interested.
] ] Do you think he's blowing it? What do others think?
] ] --Paula
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] _______
] I think will have to see 1,000 Acres. It seems like he has a big role.
] Donna
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I don't think he's blowing it, I think Colin is now a little pickier about his roles. He's a big star in Britain, so I'm sure he could star in any high-paying roles they offered him. Maybe he wants to gain noterity through strong supporting roles.
Rebecca
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Posted by Inko on November 13, 1996 at 23:49:04:
What was the boy thinking when he grew that horrid mustache?! I can hardly watch him in Circle of Friends because of it- in fact is was a long time after I knew him as Darcy until I realized that it was him.
] Cheryl
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Cheryl, I agree. I saw Circle of Friends after P&P2, but I recognized the voice immediately. It was probably the director who made him grow the mustache - same director as "A Month in the Country" where his mustache was even worse!
Inko
Posted by Kali on November 13, 1996 at 23:50:01:
I wonder what kinds of pet names were common among married people in times of intimacy. Does anybody know, or have any guesses?
] ] - K
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] _______
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] What about "Hunk-a Hunk-a Burning Love"?
] - Candace
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Thank you, Candace. I'm sure that was a very popular pet name in the early 19th century. In public, do you think that it would become "Mr. Hunk-a Burnin' Love"?
- Kali
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Posted by Ann on November 13, 1996 at 23:51:51:
] Anna,
] Did things get any better after I deleted yesterday's posts about an hour and a half ago?
] Amy
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Amy,
What time a day do you usually delete the previous day's posts? I worry that I'm logging on afterwards and missing some.
Ann
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Posted by Kali on November 13, 1996 at 23:52:26:
] 'Fitz' is usually applied to an acknowledged bastard of the king. The Fitzwilliam family would thus be the descendants of a king's bastard called William.
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Oh my.
- K
Posted by Rebecca on November 13, 1996 at 23:53:05:
] I think we can all agree that Colin Firth as Darcy is very sexy, but exactly what is it about him? I love the character Darcy, but the actor who portrayed him in P&P1 was not sexy in the least. So, what does everyone think? I love his (Colin's) voice.
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I know that everyone thiinks he's very grand and sexy, the way he was sitting at Rosings when he first visits Lizzie bothers me. It's very feminine. I guess it must be those pants.
Rebecca
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Posted by Ann on November 13, 1996 at 23:54:23:
] ] Did Mr. Darcy ever smoke a cigar? If so, was his cigar just a cigar? ;-)
] ] - K
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] And which side did he smoke it?
] - Candace
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LOL!!
Ann
Posted by Anna on November 13, 1996 at 23:56:39:
] ] ] Just read the article, thanks for letting us know. My impression is that Firth could be a big star if he wanted to be, but he doesn't seem to be interested.
] ] ] Do you think he's blowing it? What do others think?
] ] ] --Paula
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] I don't think he's blowing it, I think Colin is now a little pickier about his roles. Maybe he wants to gain noterity through strong supporting roles.
] Rebecca
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Maybe he wants a life?
Anna
Posted by Ann on November 13, 1996 at 23:57:16:
] ] What George was in power when JA was alive was it his son.
] ] Donna
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] The King George III reigned until 1820, but after 1810, the Prince of Wales (later to be George IV) was "in power" as Prince Regent.
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Thus the term: Regency.
Ann
Posted by Kali on November 13, 1996 at 23:57:50:
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Under this far-fetched scenario (all Fitzwilliams and any other male-line descendants die off, title of earl can go into abeyance, though this is not usual), Lizzy would indeed get the title of "Lady". But she would NOT be "Lady Lizzy"; she would be "Elizabeth, Countess of ----", or "Lady ----", where ---- is the TITLE of the earldom (probably not the same as the male-line surname of "Fitzwilliam" -- we aren't told the title name in the book of Pride and Prejudice
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Thank you!
- K
Posted by Donna on November 13, 1996 at 23:58:37:
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] ] ] ] Check out the November article on Colin. Click on LINKS at the top of this posting page, then Friends of Firth, then Articles on Firth, then Sunday MAIL 10 November 1996.
] ] ] ]
] ] ]
] ] ] _______
] ] ] Just read the article, thanks for letting us know. My impression is that Firth could be a big star if he wanted to be, but he doesn't seem to be interested.
] ] ] Do you think he's blowing it? What do others think?
] ] ] --Paula
] ]
] ] _______
] ] I think will have to see 1,000 Acres. It seems like he has a big role.
] ] Donna
] _______
] I don't think he's blowing it, I think Colin is now a little pickier about his roles. He's a big star in Britain, so I'm sure he could star in any high-paying roles they offered him. Maybe he wants to gain noterity through strong supporting roles.
] Rebecca
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I agree I don't think its the money like you said "stronge supporting roles." His role in 1,00 arces would be consider a supporting role. You have to read the article mention above. Supporting actors do get Acdmey Awards.
Donna
Posted by Anna on November 14, 1996 at 00:02:12:
] We don't see it in P&P2, but in the novel D also tells B about his love for and lack of success with E in the same discussion.
] ] Anna
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] Anna, I didn't recall this in the novel and so I looked it up. Is this the passage you're refering to?
] "I made a confession to him, which I believe I ought to have made long ago. I told him of all that had occurred to make my former interference in his affairs, absurd and impertinent. His surprise was great. He had never had the slightest suspicion."
] Is this italicized part what you're citing as Darcy telling Bingley about his love for Lizzy?
Yes
]I had never looked at it that way. I suppose that he could mean that if he (Darcy) was willing to marry Lizzy despite her family that it was impertinent of him to try and keep Bingley from doing the same with Jane.
That is precisely what I think - although I realise from the other repsonses to your post that I may be in the minority - maybe even a singularity
] But then what about Jane's statement that she and Bingley had discussed the possibility of Darcy and Lizzy being a match and had dismissed it as impossible? If Darcy made his confession to Bingley (which would have been before Jane and Bingley's engagement) then I don't think Bingley would have thought the match impossible.
I thought that Darcy had also told Bingley of the outcome of his first proposal. Darcy later told Lizzy that he had found her behaviour towards him on his first return visit to Longbourne cold (she was embarassed, but he didn't realise that). These events taken together were not bery encouraging for Darcy. I think that Bingley had asked Jane if she thought Darcy had a chance with Lizzy and Jane had said no, and that this is what Jane meant when she said 'we talked of it as impossible'. I can't see Jane discussing Darcy's unsuccesful proposal to Elizabeth with anyone, not even Bingley unless they already knew of it. Furthermore, unless Darcy hold told Bingley as I am suggesting, I can see no reason for Jane and Bingley to be discussing Darcy and Lizzy as a possible match at all - Jane still thought Lizzy disliked Darcy, and Darcy's behaviour towards Lizzy had been formal and gave nothing away.
] I always took this passage to mean that Darcy told Bingley that he had learned from Lizzy that his belief that Jane was indifferent was incorrect, and Darcy was apologizing for his interference.
] I would love to find Darcy confessing his love for Lizzy, but I don't really see it. Have I missed something?
] Cheryl
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I've tried to explain why I think that Darcy had both apologised for his interference and told Bingley of his love for Jane. I may be mistaken, but I like to think of it that way.
Anna
ps; Amy if this gets through, it will have been on my first attempt since you pruned the board.
No trouble. I love this board, whims and all
A
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Posted by Donna on November 14, 1996 at 00:07:56:
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] ] I think we can all agree that Colin Firth as Darcy is very sexy, but exactly what is it about him? I love the character Darcy, but the actor who portrayed him in P&P1 was not sexy in the least. So, what does everyone think? I love his (Colin's) voice.
] _______
] I know that everyone thiinks he's very grand and sexy, the way he was sitting at Rosings when he first visits Lizzie bothers me. It's very feminine. I guess it must be those pants.
] Rebecca
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He had his legs crossed. You never saw a man cross his legs.
Should he sit like Mr. Hurst.
Donna
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Posted by Cheryl on November 14, 1996 at 00:13:26:
] I wonder what kinds of pet names were common among married people in times of intimacy. Does anybody know, or have any guesses?
] ] ] - K
] ] _______
] ] What about "Hunk-a Hunk-a Burning Love"?
] ] - Candace
] _______
] Thank you, Candace. I'm sure that was a very popular pet name in the early 19th century. In public, do you think that it would become "Mr. Hunk-a Burnin' Love"?
] - Kali
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No, as the eldest (and only) male of the family it would be simply "Mr. Love," no need for first name, and "Hunk-a" in the privacy of the shades of Pemberly.
Cheryl
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Posted by Donna on November 14, 1996 at 00:14:33:
] ] We don't see it in P&P2, but in the novel D also tells B about his love for and lack of success with E in the same discussion.
] ] ] Anna
] ]
] ] _______
] ] Anna, I didn't recall this in the novel and so I looked it up. Is this the passage you're refering to?
] ] "I made a confession to him, which I believe I ought to have made long ago. I told him of all that had occurred to make my former interference in his affairs, absurd and impertinent. His surprise was great. He had never had the slightest suspicion."
] ] Is this italicized part what you're citing as Darcy telling Bingley about his love for Lizzy?
] Yes
] ]I had never looked at it that way. I suppose that he could mean that if he (Darcy) was willing to marry Lizzy despite her family that it was impertinent of him to try and keep Bingley from doing the same with Jane.
] That is precisely what I think - although I realise from the other repsonses to your post that I may be in the minority - maybe even a singularity
] ] But then what about Jane's statement that she and Bingley had discussed the possibility of Darcy and Lizzy being a match and had dismissed it as impossible? If Darcy made his confession to Bingley (which would have been before Jane and Bingley's engagement) then I don't think Bingley would have thought the match impossible.
] I thought that Darcy had also told Bingley of the outcome of his first proposal. Darcy later told Lizzy that he had found her behaviour towards him on his first return visit to Longbourne cold (she was embarassed, but he didn't realise that). These events taken together were not bery encouraging for Darcy. I think that Bingley had asked Jane if she thought Darcy had a chance with Lizzy and Jane had said no, and that this is what Jane meant when she said 'we talked of it as impossible'. I can't see Jane discussing Darcy's unsuccesful proposal to Elizabeth with anyone, not even Bingley unless they already knew of it. Furthermore, unless Darcy hold told Bingley as I am suggesting, I can see no reason for Jane and Bingley to be discussing Darcy and Lizzy as a possible match at all - Jane still thought Lizzy disliked Darcy, and Darcy's behaviour towards Lizzy had been formal and gave nothing away.
] ] I always took this passage to mean that Darcy told Bingley that he had learned from Lizzy that his belief that Jane was indifferent was incorrect, and Darcy was apologizing for his interference.
] ] I would love to find Darcy confessing his love for Lizzy, but I don't really see it. Have I missed something?
] ] Cheryl
]
] _______
] I've tried to explain why I think that Darcy had both apologised for his interference and told Bingley of his love for Jane. I may be mistaken, but I like to think of it that way.
] Anna
] ps; Amy if this gets through, it will have been on my first attempt since you pruned the board.
] No trouble. I love this board, whims and all
] A
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It went through Donna
Posted by Donna on November 14, 1996 at 00:20:46:
] ] I wonder what kinds of pet names were common among married people in times of intimacy. Does anybody know, or have any guesses?
] ] ] ] - K
] ] ] _______
] ] ] What about "Hunk-a Hunk-a Burning Love"?
] ] ] - Candace
] ] _______
] ] Thank you, Candace. I'm sure that was a very popular pet name in the early 19th century. In public, do you think that it would become "Mr. Hunk-a Burnin' Love"?
] ] - Kali
]
] _______
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] No, as the eldest (and only) male of the family it would be simply "Mr. Love," no need for first name, and "Hunk-a" in the privacy of the shades of Pemberly.
] Cheryl
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Cheryl I love it.
I would we would know what nicknames they used, ROFLOL What nicknames would you use Kali.Bill Clinton is called "bubbah".
Donna
Posted by Hilary on November 14, 1996 at 00:25:20:
] ] : Always on the same wavelength here, aren't we?
] ] Cheers, Grace
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] Thank you! Yes! It was just a little dabble for you, Grace. I enjoyed the geography lesson too!
] Cheers, Hilary
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Grace, did you notice we are brushing shoulders on The List? Do you think we will get any Guineveres, Gwenwynwyns, Henriettas, or Hermiones?
Hilary
Posted by Anna on November 14, 1996 at 00:27:27:
] That look ... Ok I'll talk about something new. One of my (many) favorite scenes is Rosings piano scene. There Darcy and Lizzy had their first more relaxed, almost personal exchange in the movie. I'm always intrigued by Darcy's wonderful expression in that scene. He has a little bit of naughtiness in that smile, like a kid venturing into a wonderland. Does anybody else feel the same ?
] Zimei
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Yes. I think he has unconsciously let his barriers down and is just enjoying being with Lizzy, having forgotten for the moment that he shouldn't be in love with her.
It's one of my favorite scenes, I even like the accent resulting from the dubbing of the "You are perfectly right..." segment.
Anna
Posted by Cheryl on November 14, 1996 at 00:29:11:
] But how could they have discussed it as being impossible, if Bingley did not already know of Darcy's first proposal (or at least of his love for Elizabeth)?
] Ann
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As was pointed out several places in the novel, where there is one marriage, people naturally look to their nearest acquaintances for another. People in love (as Jane and Bingley are) want everybody to be as happy as they. And who would they want to be happy more than the people who are closest to them? I can see Jane saying "if only Lizzy could be as happy as I" and Bingley telling of what he had observed at Pemberly. Remember Jane telling Lizzy that she owed all her knowledge of happened in Derbyshire to another (Bingley). Then she would tell Bingley (carefully, so as to not divulge sisterly secrets) that although Lizzy's opinion of Darcy has improved, she is quite sure that Lizzy's feelings do not go beyond respect. Bingley, who, as we all know, is easily swayed by those he loves, must trust to Jane's better knowledge of her sister and they agree that it is impossible that Lizzy and Darcy should be happy together.
There, Anna and Ann, I've got it all worked out. What say you? :-)
Cheryl
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Posted by Candace on November 14, 1996 at 00:29:40:
] ] I wonder what kinds of pet names were common among married people in times of intimacy. Does anybody know, or have any guesses?
] ] ] ] - K
] ] ] _______
] ] ] What about "Hunk-a Hunk-a Burning Love"?
] ] ] - Candace
] ] _______
] ] Thank you, Candace. I'm sure that was a very popular pet name in the early 19th century. In public, do you think that it would become "Mr. Hunk-a Burnin' Love"?
] ] - Kali
]
] _______
]
] No, as the eldest (and only) male of the family it would be simply "Mr. Love," no need for first name, and "Hunk-a" in the privacy of the shades of Pemberly.
] Cheryl
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Yes, Cheryl -- you're absolutely correct. "Hunk-a" certainly flows off the tongue much better than Fitzwilliam. But I do believe that Lizzie might refer to him, as say something to the effect of, My Dearest Lovliest "Hunk-a Hunk-a Burning Love".
- Candace
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