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Posted by Paula on November 13, 1996 at 22:46:21:
] I am so vexed! I too woke up early this morning (6:00 am to be exact) to watch this version that I haven't seen yet - all the uncut scences. And guess what....the cable on our TV's is malfunctioning! How extremely aggravating! Sarah
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All is not lost! Last weekend I noticed the video stores in my area (Cambridge, Mass.) now have P&P2 for rent, so you could tape the missing episode. Our local Videosmith store was also selling it for a "special" price of $99.95 (which is actually full price).
This is unrelated but -- I saw P&P1 for sale but not for rent. Does anybody know if you can rent it? I'd love to see it but think I probably won't like it enough to buy it for $25. Any help would be much appreciated
-- Paula
Posted by Candace on November 13, 1996 at 22:50:02:
] ] Oops, posted my message elsewhere. I wanted to say that the answer is Colin Firth's tacit, self-assured masculinity.
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] It is the way he looks dressed in those clothes and his way of looking at me. We can be silly right.
] Donna
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No, Donna -- I'm sorry to hurt your feelings, but he was looking at ME!!
- Candace
Posted by Anna on November 13, 1996 at 22:56:31:
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] How about Bill ? after all Fitzwilliam Darcy means William Darcy Junior right?
'Fitz' is usually applied to an acknowledged bastard of the king. The Fitzwilliam family would thus be the descendants of a king's bastard called William. The 'founder' of the line could have been centuries earlier.
] But seriously, I like "Fitzwilliam" much better, I think it sounds very noble and quite romantic.
] Zimei
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The son of a king by his lover - yep, it is both noble and romantic :-)
Anna
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Posted by The Mysterious H.C. on November 13, 1996 at 23:01:56:
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"the Princess of Wales ... Poor woman, I shall support her as long as I can, because she _is_ a Woman, & because I hate her Husband ... I am resolved at least always to think that she would have been respectable, if the Prince had behaved only tolerably by her at first."
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Posted by Anna on November 13, 1996 at 23:04:53:
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] ] ] Okay - geography lesson! ;-)
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] I'm afraid your brevity lost me...I don't get it! :-}
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Thanks for the geography (I have a pack-rat mind). I snipped almost everything else because I've been having trouble with long posts 'bouncing'. I got a bit carried away - sorry for the confusion.
Anna
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Posted by Ann on November 13, 1996 at 23:09:10:
] ] Janet:
] ] What was that about Pierre Sallinger who retrieved some top-secret information about the CIA/SS being responsible for the plane bombing, as he stumbled across the story on an internet news site? Apparently he proudly revealed his scoop to the press, only to be humiliated by the discovery that it was a fake story planted by a hacker. Am I getting this right? Has anyone heard of any instances of underhanded abuse of this realm? It's a wild world.
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] I must confess that I had believed Salinger more savvy than to have been taken in by such a document, but indeed, such abuses abound. Just as in the }{ (face-to-face) world, there are both Jack The Rippers and Mother Teresas. Anything you can find in that world "out there" you can also find in this virtual one - though happily (for the most part) we have been spared invasions by the dregs of society in this particular corner of it!.
] Joan, too
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He claims to have confirmed the story with several eye-witnesses. One person was apparently on board a near-by airliner.
Ann
Posted by Donna on November 13, 1996 at 23:11:58:
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"the Princess of Wales ... Poor woman, I shall support her as long as I can, because she _is_ a Woman, & because I hate her Husband ... I am resolved at least always to think that she would have been respectable, if the Prince had behaved only tolerably by her at first."
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Posted by Ann on November 13, 1996 at 23:16:54:
] We don't see it in P&P2, but in the novel D also tells B about his love for and lack of success with E in the same discussion.
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] Anna, I didn't recall this in the novel and so I looked it up. Is this the passage you're refering to?
] "I made a confession to him, which I believe I ought to have made long ago. I told him of all that had occurred to make my former interference in his affairs, absurd and impertinent. His surprise was great. He had never had the slightest suspicion."
] Cheryl
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I always figured that after their engagement Bingley and Jane discuss the possibility of a match between D & E, but that Jane pours cold water on the idea. Jane probably believed that if Lizzy had changed her mind about Darcy, she would have confessed it to Jane. ssince there was no such confession, Jane would not know of Lizzy's change of heart and would only know that Lizzy thought better of Darcy than she once did, but nothing more than that.
Ann
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Posted by Amy on November 13, 1996 at 23:18:29:
Anna,
Did things get any better after I deleted yesterday's posts about an hour and a half ago?
Amy
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Posted by The Mysterious H.C. on November 13, 1996 at 23:27:36:
] ]What if all of the male Fitzwilliamses died, heaven forbid, and their were no other heirs save Mr. Darcy? Would he get the title,
] ] Kali
] I think that if the male line died out the title went into abeyance. The property was shared evenly between the female heirs if there were any in the direct line, but I don't know were decendants of female heirs stood. If I'm right, Darcy might be able to inherit the Earl's property, but not the title.
] Anna
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This is getting into areas where I'm far from being a real expert, but it's mainly some titles of Baron and a few Viscounties that go into abeyance in the default of male-line heirs; most higher titles (including Earldoms such as the one held by Darcy's grandfather and Lady Catherine's father) simply become "extinct".
When a title goes into "abeyance", it is because two or more dsisters are still alive, or suitable heirs of two or more sisters still exist, in a situation where the oldest sister would have succeeded to the title if she were a son, or would have become a "peeress in her own right" if she were an only child.
If the Fitzwilliam title were to go into abeyance (even though it porbably can't), then the two sisters would be Lady Anne Darcy and Lady Catherine de Bough. Since Lady Catherine is still alive, and Lady Anne has a heir in her son, Mr. Darcy, I think the title would still be in abeyance.
BUT, if Lady Catherine were to die (and Miss Ann de Bough too? -- not sure if this would be necessary), then Darcy would be left as the sole heir, and the title would come out of abeyance.
Under this far-fetched scenario (all Fitzwilliams and any other male-line descendants die off, title of earl can go into abeyance, though this is not usual), Lizzy would indeed get the title of "Lady". But she would NOT be "Lady Lizzy"; she would be "Elizabeth, Countess of ----", or "Lady ----", where ---- is the TITLE of the earldom (probably not the same as the male-line surname of "Fitzwilliam" -- we aren't told the title name in the book of Pride and Prejudice
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Posted by Anna on November 13, 1996 at 23:30:29:
] Several times when I've hit the 'submit follow-up' button I've ended back on the follow-up page rather than the 'your message has been posted' page, and my message has not appeared. A few hours later I'm able to get through. So far it's happened only with follow-ups. I'm wondering is it my system, or a server problem - it seems to happen when it's evening in the USA ? peak time.
] Anna
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Further experimenation shows that the problem is closely connected to the length of the post, so I guess it's related to the amount of traffic on the server
Anna
Posted by Zimei on November 13, 1996 at 23:33:40:
] ] I think we can all agree that Colin Firth as Darcy is very sexy, but exactly what is it about him? I love the character Darcy, but the actor who portrayed him in P&P1 was not sexy in the least. So, what does everyone think? I love his (Colin's) voice.
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] His eyes and his way of projecting his feelings with just a look and a slight (very slight) smile.
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CF's acting reveals, with such great subtlety, the sensibivity and vulnerability under the pround and reserved Darcy. Sensibility and vulnerability in a man are sexy.
That look ... Ok I'll talk about something new. One of my (many) favorite scenes is Rosings piano scene. There Darcy and Lizzy had their first more relaxed, almost personal exchange in the movie. I'm always intrigued by Darcy's wonderful expression in that scene. He has a little bit of naughtiness in that smile, like a kid venturing into a wonderland. Does anybody else feel the same ?
Zimei
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Posted by Donna on November 13, 1996 at 23:34:52:
] ] Check out the November article on Colin. Click on LINKS at the top of this posting page, then Friends of Firth, then Articles on Firth, then Sunday MAIL 10 November 1996.
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] Just read the article, thanks for letting us know. My impression is that Firth could be a big star if he wanted to be, but he doesn't seem to be interested.
] Do you think he's blowing it? What do others think?
] --Paula
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I think will have to see 1,000 Acres. It seems like he has a big role.
Donna
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Posted by Ann on November 13, 1996 at 23:37:25:
] When the confession takes place, we only see its effect indirectly:
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``As soon as they entered, Bingley looked at her [Elizabeth] so expressively, and shook hands with such warmth, as left no doubt of his good information.''(Chapter 59)
That he had not confessed before is seen from Jane'S reaction: ``We considered it, we talked of it as impossible.''
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H.C.,
But how could they have discussed it as being impossible, if Bingley did not already know of Darcy's first proposal (or at least of his love for Elizabeth)? As someone above pointed out, Jane's character would never have allowed her to bring up Lizzy's rejection of Darcy--especially out of the blue, nor would she have suggested the idea of a match between Darcy and Elizabeth, thinking, as she did, that Lizzy, though no longer hating Darcy, certainly did not care for him either. The topic could only have been raised by Bingley, and only if he knew what had happened the previous spring. The subject, therefor, must have been raised by Bingley, who between the two was the one that knew that there was still an attraction in one towards the other, that is to say in Darcy towards Elizabeth.
I believe Bingley, worried about his friend's disappointment, and wanting to find out if there was some chance for his friend to join him in happiness, would have asked Jane about Lizzy's present opinion of Darcy, and that during such a discussion they would have discussed the first proposal.
The quote you site takes place after the second proposal, when Darcy certainly would have confessed to Bingley, not of his rejection, but of his acceptance.
Ann
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Posted by Anna on November 13, 1996 at 23:37:36:
] Anna,
] Did things get any better after I deleted yesterday's posts about an hour and a half ago?
] Amy
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I don't know yet - I haven't tried anymore long posts (I'm a slow typer). Shall I let you know if it happens again, or do you want me to try the long post that I was having trouble with above. I saved it as a text file, so I could do that quickly, but it would say much the same as the abbreviated version I eventually posted.
Anna
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Posted by Evelyn on November 13, 1996 at 23:41:16:
, Darcy's annual interest of L10,000 was equivalent to $200,000. If the interest rate was 5% annualized as Zimei suggested, his principal would be $4,000,000 and growing at the same rate of $20/L1. Presumably it would not be necessary or even possible to spend the $200,000 interest to support even a comfortable lifestyle by the lower cost of living, expenses, wages or standards of the day.
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Wouldn't Darcy's 10,000 a year largely come from rents that his tenant farmers pay?
Evelyn
Posted by Amy on November 13, 1996 at 23:41:21:
try the long post that I was having trouble with above.
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Yeah. Go ahead and see. If it is not too much trouble. Thanks.
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Posted by Ann on November 13, 1996 at 23:43:45:
] ] Cheryl:
] ] "I made a confession to him, which I believe I ought to have made long ago. I told him of all that had occurred to make my former interference in his affairs, absurd and impertinent. His surprise was great. He had never had the slightest suspicion."
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] I agree - this reference is specifically to what Darcy had done to interfere with Bingley's relationship with Jane, and why he now realizes that he was wrong to have done so - not referring at all to Darcy's own addresses to Elizabeth.
] Joan, too
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But why would his interference have been absurd, unless he was referring to his own approach of Lizzy. The absurdity came in telling his friend (who holds a lower social position) to break of his attachment to Jane, when, only a short time later, he himself, with far more at stake socially, tried to attach himself to Elizabeth. There is also impertinence in telling a friend to give up something of great value to him, when you will not do the same.
Ann
Posted by Zimei on November 13, 1996 at 23:43:57:
] ] ] ] I just received my copy of The Making of Pride and Prejudice yesterday. I was shocked to see a picture of the the actress who portrayed Lizzie. She is really blonde and fair. There are also pictures of the other actors, and many of them look extremely different. I think Colin Firth looks much better as Darcy than in other pictues I have seen of him.
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] ] ] I think CF looks best as Darcy because it is the only role where he wasn't forced to cut his hair too short and wear a ridiculous mustache. We'll see what they do to him in "The English Patient."
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] ] He looks very, very cute in Hostages too - with that curly hair. In fact I think looks closest to his real-life image in that movie. I sure hope he'll never try that mustache bit again !
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] What's the lowdown on "Hostages"? I've never seen it but I've heard the name thrown about.
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It's a 1993 made-for-cable movie about the five-year hostage crisis in Lebanon. Colin plays one of the hostage - the young british reporter John McCarthy. Not the greatest movie, but memorable performance by CF, with Some cutest TV news reporting I've ever seen at the beginning of the movie. It should be available in most decent-sized video stores.
Zimei
Posted by Inko on November 13, 1996 at 23:44:37:
] Just read the article, thanks for letting us know. My impression is that Firth could be a big star if he wanted to be, but he doesn't seem to be interested.
] Do you think he's blowing it? What do others think?
] --Paula
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I think he's ambivalent about fame; he seems to want it and then runs away from it. It seems that he blows all his big chances, but maybe he isn't offered the right roles for him. Can't see him in an "action" movie. Before One Thousand Acres, look for "Fever Pitch" in which he has the leading role, but I'm not sure how it will go over in the U.S. since it's about a soccer obsessed fan. On second thoughts, there are lots of "soccer Moms", or so we were told a while back, so there must be lots of soccer fans here now.
Inko
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