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Posted by Kali on November 13, 1996 at 21:41:50:
] Do you suppose that Lizzy would ever call Darcy by his first name, "Fitzwilliam?" It is not a particularly romantic name.
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We had a discussion about this a week or so ago. We figured that she probably would call him Fitzwilliam, or at least some reasonable facsimile thereof. SOme of us thought that it would be fun to assign him a fictitious middle name for Lizzy to use once they were married. I suggested Frank or Ralph, but nobody else liked my suggestions. I wonder what kinds of pet names were common among married people in times of intimacy. Does anybody know, or have any guesses?
- K
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Posted by Catie on November 13, 1996 at 21:42:52:
] Sorry to be a little off topic, but I have heard rumours of the Wishbone 'adaption' of P&P. This cute program has just started in NZ, and I was wondering how long I'll have to wait before I get to see the Pride and Prejudice episode. Can anyone give an indication?
] Also, further apologies because I'm sure this topic has been thrashed already, but I was wondering about the P&P tapes. Are there several versions of the tapes available for sale? Are there any of these versions which are missing bits and pieces? The only tapes I have seen on sale are a set of two tapes for NZ$49.95. I don't want to spend my hard earned money to find out I've been deprived of valuable minutes!
] Many thanks,
] Raewyn.
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The Wishbone series runs on various public broadcasting
stations. I don't think there's any particular order to the
shows. I've seen the Pride and Prejudice episode. It's darling.
Especially when Wishbone (as Mr. Darcy) dances with
Lizzy at Netherfield.
catie
Posted by Donna on November 13, 1996 at 21:44:03:
] ] Thanks Joan, too Your always so helpful
] ] Donna
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] You are most welcome - I was once on the asking end of all of these questions/problems, too, and kind people answered/solved mine. One can't return the favor to them, but one can pass it along to others. Your turn to pass it on will come! :-)
] Joan, too
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Pressure! I am very insecure about my ability at this computer. Don't go anywhere to soon Joan,too
Thanks again Donna
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Posted by Amy on November 13, 1996 at 21:45:33:
] We don't see it in P&P2, but in the novel D also tells B about his love for and lack of success with E in the same discussion.
] ] Anna
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] Anna, I didn't recall this in the novel and so I looked it up. Is this the passage you're refering to?
] "I made a confession to him, which I believe I ought to have made long ago. I told him of all that had occurred to make my former interference in his affairs, absurd and impertinent. His surprise was great. He had never had the slightest suspicion."
] Is this italicized part what you're citing as Darcy telling Bingley about his love for Lizzy? I had never looked at it that way. I suppose that he could mean that if he (Darcy) was willing to marry Lizzy despite her family that it was impertinent of him to try and keep Bingley from doing the same with Jane. But then what about Jane's statement that she and Bingley had discussed the possibility of Darcy and Lizzy being a match and had dismissed it as impossible? If Darcy made his confession to Bingley (which would have been before Jane and Bingley's engagement) then I don't think Bingley would have thought the match impossible.
] I always took this passage to mean that Darcy told Bingley that he had learned from Lizzy that his belief that Jane was indifferent was incorrect, and Darcy was apologizing for his interference.
] I would love to find Darcy confessing his love for Lizzy, but I don't really see it. Have I missed something?
] Cheryl
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Wow- I have yet another take on this passage. I had always assumed that Darcy was confessing his desire to make a match between Bingley and Georgiana (a motive Elizabeth had imputed to him when the Netherfield party left Hertfordshire.) In Darcy's letter to Lizzy he admits he "was desirous of believing Jane indifferent", but that his"investigations and decisions are not usually influenced by his hopes or fears". Could not he mean his hopes of having Bingley for Georgiana?
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Posted by Kali on November 13, 1996 at 21:46:24:
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] ] Okay - geography lesson! ;-)
] ] - K
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] Ta
] A
] in pursuit of brevity
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I'm afraid your brevity lost me...I don't get it! :-}
- K
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Posted by Kali on November 13, 1996 at 21:47:51:
] ]What if all of the male Fitzwilliamses died, heaven forbid, and their were no other heirs save Mr. Darcy? Would he get the title,
] ] Kali
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] In the absence of an informed answer from the mysterious one;
] I think that if the male line died out the title went into abeyance. The property was shared evenly between the female heirs if there were any in the direct line, but I don't know were decendants of female heirs stood. If I'm right, Darcy might be able to inherit the Earl's property, but not the title.
] Anna
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Okay - I think I'm getting it...Thanks!
- K
Posted by The Mysterious H.C. on November 13, 1996 at 21:48:34:
I have news for you: the first completion of The Watsons was published in 1850 (yes 1850)
] the attached review is from the November 18 issue of People magazine.
] Emma Watson
] by: Joan Aiken
] When several potential husbands surface, Aiken wisely has her choose the one Austen would have favored, an officer in the Royal Navy.
??? Jane AUsten actually intended for Emma to marry a clergyman -- click here
] And it seems unlikely that Austen would ever have used the phrase "pop the question" when talking about a proposal.
LOL!! (not quite ROFL, though 
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Posted by Paula on November 13, 1996 at 22:06:03:
] Check out the November article on Colin. Click on LINKS at the top of this posting page, then Friends of Firth, then Articles on Firth, then Sunday MAIL 10 November 1996.
]
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Just read the article, thanks for letting us know. My impression is that Firth could be a big star if he wanted to be, but he doesn't seem to be interested.
Do you think he's blowing it? What do others think?
--Paula
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Posted by Zimei on November 13, 1996 at 22:12:57:
] ] Do you suppose that Lizzy would ever call Darcy by his first name, "Fitzwilliam?" It is not a particularly romantic name.
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] We had a discussion about this a week or so ago. We figured that she probably would call him Fitzwilliam, or at least some reasonable facsimile thereof. SOme of us thought that it would be fun to assign him a fictitious middle name for Lizzy to use once they were married. I suggested Frank or Ralph, but nobody else liked my suggestions. I wonder what kinds of pet names were common among married people in times of intimacy. Does anybody know, or have any guesses?
] - K
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How about Bill ? after all Fitzwilliam Darcy means William Darcy Junior right?
But seriously, I like "Fitzwilliam" much better, I think it sounds very noble and quite romantic.
Zimei
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Posted by Amy on November 13, 1996 at 22:18:44:
] I do not know why the gap is put in when I post the table. When I view it via my browser, the title and table are right after one another. This is really irritating me!!!
] Anne
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Anne, sorry I did not get to answering this question before. It has to do with the fact that the board script puts in a return for each new line. So you have to do the table with no returns. You can use spaces between tags to make the soft word wrap work.
Posted by The Mysterious H.C. on November 13, 1996 at 22:20:28:
] ] ] How much was 10,000 pounds in the day of P&P compared to today? Does anyone know? I know that that amount was considered a fourtune in itself, but Darcy got that amount every year. He must have been VERY rich!
] In my Norton Critical edition of P&P (edited by Donald Gray) there is a long footnote about wealth and its equivalent value today:
] "Charles Roberts (quoted in James Heldman "How Wealthy is Mr. Darcy Really" [Persuasions 12 (1990): 38-49]) calculates that an 1810 pound is worth about $33.00 in current U.S. dollars. (Roberts used the value of the dollar in 1988 in his calculation, and for these necessarily imprecise estimates, his equivalences are still useful.) Mr. Bennet's annual income is therefore about $66,000; Darcy's annual income is over $330,000 (L10,000); and Bingley's about $165,000 (L5,000). Because taxes on income were relatively low, labor cheap, and landowners like Darcy and Mr. Bennet could partially supply their households from their own farms, the purchasing power of these incomes was undoubtedly greater in Austen's time than in our own. Perhaps a more accurate measure of the affluence of Austen's characters is that in 1810 the nominal annual income of agricultural laborers was L42, of skilled laborers between L55 and L90, of clerks L178, and of lawyers L447. (B.R. Mitchell, British Historical Statistics [1988] 153).
] my L is supposed to be a pound sign - don't have it on my keyboard.
] Inko.
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Here's what I have in the AUSTEN-L "pre-FAQ" (see link below):
Q: What is the equivalent of Darcy's income of 10,000 pounds a year in current American dollars?
A: To simply give a single raw number would actually be somewhat misleading, since there are a number of basic problems: some things cost relatively much less in Austen's day than now (for example, household help), some things cost relatively more, and many things which are now essentials weren't purchasable at all in 1813. That said, economists and historians who have made the attempt to construct an equivalence have come up with various multipliers in the area of 30 to 50. (If one simply compares the currency value of gold between the two eras, one comes up with a multiplier of about 100). In any case, it is clear that someone who leads a lifestyle similar to Darcy's (large estate, many servants, etc.) nowadays would have to be very wealthy indeed.
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Posted by Paula on November 13, 1996 at 22:25:37:
] I just received my copy of The Making of Pride and Prejudice yesterday. I was shocked to see a picture of the the actress who portrayed Lizzie. She is really blonde and fair. There are also pictures of the other actors, and many of them look extremely different. I think Colin Firth looks much better as Darcy than in other pictues I have seen of him.
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I reacted the same way--utter shock. I agree both Colin and Jennifer looked better in P&P than in real life (though I've yet to see a good closeup of Jennifer as a blonde). Colin looked great with the longer, darker hair, thicker eyebrows & mutton chops.
What magic those makeup artists and hairstylists/wig-makers can create (I wish they'd try it on me!)...
--Paula
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Posted by The Real Original Amy on November 13, 1996 at 22:27:21:
] Wow- I have yet another take on this passage. I had always assumed that Darcy was confessing his desire to make a match between Bingley and Georgiana (a motive Elizabeth had imputed to him when the Netherfield party left Hertfordshire.) In Darcy's letter to Lizzy he admits he "was desirous of believing Jane indifferent", but that his"investigations and decisions are not usually influenced by his hopes or fears". Could not he mean his hopes of having Bingley for Georgiana?
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Who posted this? Amy who? A new Amy? Pick a variant name you imposter!
Posted by The Mysterious H.C. on November 13, 1996 at 22:30:34:
] ] ]
"the Princess of Wales ... Poor woman, I shall support her as long as I can, because she _is_ a Woman, & because I hate her Husband ... I am resolved at least always to think that she would have been respectable, if the Prince had behaved only tolerably by her at first."
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Posted by DDonna on November 13, 1996 at 22:34:38:
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"the Princess of Wales ... Poor woman, I shall support her as long as I can, because she _is_ a Woman, & because I hate her Husband ... I am resolved at least always to think that she would have been respectable, if the Prince had behaved only tolerably by her at first."
What George was in power when JA was alive was it his son.
Donna
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Posted by Nicole on November 13, 1996 at 22:37:43:
] Hi, I've been away for a bit but add me too!
] I'm Pamela and I'm 26 from New Brunswick, Canada.
] And to all you other Canadians, Can't wait to see Colin Firth on Adrienne Clarkson Presents on CBC Thursday at 7pm AST.
Hi,
I'm Nicole from Winnipeg Canada, I'm 37.
Thank you very much Pamela for letting me know about that show tomorrow.______
Posted by Candace on November 13, 1996 at 22:40:40:
] ] ] I guess that I must not be as deep as the rest of you -- I just thought that all the water stuff was because the man just looks so damn good wet! I still believe that it must be a standard clause in Mr. Firth's acting contracts. I know that I've mentioned this before, but think about it...wet in Valmont, wet in the Advocate, wet in P&P, & wet in A month in the Country.
] ] ] - Candace
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] ] You know, Candace, sometimes the simple and obvious reasons are the correct ones! Even Freud admitted that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar!
] ] Cheryl
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] Did Mr. Darcy ever smoke a cigar? If so, was his cigar just a cigar? ;-)
] - K
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And which side did he smoke it?
- Candace
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Posted by Candace on November 13, 1996 at 22:43:35:
] ] Do you suppose that Lizzy would ever call Darcy by his first name, "Fitzwilliam?" It is not a particularly romantic name.
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] We had a discussion about this a week or so ago. We figured that she probably would call him Fitzwilliam, or at least some reasonable facsimile thereof. SOme of us thought that it would be fun to assign him a fictitious middle name for Lizzy to use once they were married. I suggested Frank or Ralph, but nobody else liked my suggestions. I wonder what kinds of pet names were common among married people in times of intimacy. Does anybody know, or have any guesses?
] - K
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What about "Hunk-a Hunk-a Burning Love"?
- Candace
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Posted by Zimei on November 13, 1996 at 22:44:47:
] Test again I put the \the wrong way.
] The banks cranked out 20,000,000 pounds btween 1810 and 1815. Didn't mention the interest rate. I guess ther was one but 5% sounds high.
] Donna
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The 5% is used, quite authoritatively, in the related discussion on Henry Churchyard's Pride and Prejudice page (see links page), I assume it comes from some reasonable source.
Zimei
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