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Posted by Anne on November 13, 1996 at 20:00:50:
] I may have myself all confused but it seems a little odd to me that here in NZ we can buy the set of tapes for NZ$49.95 but in the US they cost about US$69.95 (is that right?) but you can buy a CD for US$15 and we pay NZ$30.
] Any commments?
] Kate
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The tapes in the States go from $60 to $100, depending on where you buy them. Don't know what the exchange rate is from US to NZ. I guess they charge whatever people are willing to pay.
Anne
Posted by Anne on November 13, 1996 at 20:02:46:
] Just caught it and it was given a very favorable review (as it has in every article I've read about it!)
] Cheryl
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Just saw a clip about it on Access Hollywood. They said that it is already being mentioned as an Oscar contender (though they seem to say that about almost every movie).
Didn't have any mention of CF.
Anne
Posted by Anna on November 13, 1996 at 20:05:18:
] We don't see it in P&P2, but in the novel D also tells B about his love for and lack of success with E in the same discussion.
] ] Anna
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] "I made a confession to him, which I believe I ought to have made long ago. I told him of all that had occurred to make my former interference in his affairs, absurd and impertinent. His surprise was great. He had never had the slightest suspicion."
] Is this italicized part what you're citing as Darcy telling Bingley about his love for Lizzy?
Yes
] I suppose that he could mean that if he (Darcy) was willing to marry Lizzy despite her family that it was impertinent of him to try and keep Bingley from doing the same with Jane.
That is precisely what I think - although I realise from the other repsonses to your post that I may be in the minority.
] But then what about Jane's statement that she and Bingley had discussed the possibility of Darcy and Lizzy being a match and had dismissed it as impossible? If Darcy made his confession to Bingley then I don't think Bingley would have thought the match impossible.
I think that Bingley had asked Jane if she thought Darcy had a chance with Lizzy and Jane had said no, and that this is what Jane meant when she said 'we talked of it as impossible'. I can't see Jane discussing Darcy's unsuccesful proposal to Elizabeth with anyone, not even Bingley, unless they already knew of it. Furthermore, unless Darcy hold told Bingley, I can see no reason for Jane and Bingley to be discussing Darcy and Lizzy as a possible match at all - Jane still thought Lizzy disliked Darcy, and Darcy's behaviour towards Lizzy had been outwardly cold.
] I always took this passage to mean that Darcy told Bingley that he had learned from Lizzy that his belief that Jane was indifferent was incorrect, and Darcy was apologizing for his interference.
] I would love to find Darcy confessing his love for Lizzy, but I don't really see it. Have I missed something?
] Cheryl
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I think that Darcy had both apologised for his interference and told Bingley of his love for Jane. I may be mistaken, but I like to think of it that way.
Anna
ps; Amy if this gets through, it will have been on my sixth attempt. If it's just heavy traffic I can live with it, but if I'm doing something wrong I'd like to correct it.
A
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Posted by Paula O. on November 13, 1996 at 20:08:44:
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Tay,
You might recognize Rupert Graves in A Room With A View. He played Helena Bonham Carter's brother Freddy. He is a good actor but I cannot believe he is better then Colin. I suppose this Hot 100 actors poll must be endured. However, don't expect me to like it.
Paula
Posted by Donna on November 13, 1996 at 20:10:07:
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] ] I love the CD, too. I have a 3-disc CD changer in my stereo. So at one time I can have a random play with the P&P soundtrack, the S&S soundtrack, and my only Beethoven CD. Heaven!
] ] The S&S soundtrack is well worth the money too. I didn't really notice the music when I saw the movie, I confess. But I bought the soundtrack at Borders after hearing it on one of those listening posts. It really is heartbreaking music. I like to listen to it when it's grey and rainy out. And when I'm really mad at the world, I'll put it on with a cup of tea and count the minutes till the tears start flowing. It's soooooo cathartic. Better than therapy.
] ] -Arnessa (sniffle, sniffle)
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] Where can I buy the Pride and Prejudice soundtrack??? I would appreciate it if someone could post the address again. I missed it the first time. Thanks!!!!
] Paula. .
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Paula there isn't any address really it depends were your at. I wouldn't order anything over the internet use the phone or call some of the surrounding record store in your area. Unless someone has a better idea. I got mine at the local mall record store. They had to special order it.
Donna
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Posted by Janet on November 13, 1996 at 20:10:33:
] >Morality has no place in politics, nor do those who avow to
] >know what it is - right/wrong, etc.- rarely speak for the
] >masses, least of all individuals.
] Forgive me, but you could not be more wrong. Politics is of essence about the moral, the right and the wrong. There is no political position offered on any subject - homosexuals, abortion, welfare, taxes, health care, defense matters, business regulations, environment, and all the others - not a single position advocated in the political arena is devoid of a claim to be right, and right in a moral sense. Whether it be Pat Robertson or Ralph Nader, Dan Quayle or Al Gore, all claim to know what is moral and right not just for themselves but for "the country". The purpose of elections is allow the masses to choose which vision of the right and moral is the one with which they agree, but they are always about morality.
] >As JA, her characters, and the broad spectrum of opinions
] >here make so abundantly clear, there is (or should be) an
] >ever-opening window of possibilities in the world out
] >there. Why should we batten down the hatches? Everyone has
] >their own life and circumstances which require
] >understanding and appreciation for those very differences
] >which in themselves should allow us the right to agree or
] >disagree.
] If truth is true, then it is true for all. If honesty is truly good, then it is good for all. If love and compassion are truly good, then they are good for all. Conversely, if they are not good for all, then they are not truly good. How these truly good ideals are embodied in life does indeed vary with circumstance and opportunity, but the ideals themselves are eternal, changeless.
] >I do believe our constitution was founded on the separation
] >of church and state. Laws are designed to enforce the
] >obvious differentiation of right/wrong, not to restrict
] >freedom of expression. The extension of this form of
] >moralizing is to ban art galleries, book stores, libraries,
] >the Internet, this BB and possiblity JA herself. I realize
] >I've gone off the subject again, but it is close to my
] >heart.
] I do not wish to be drawn into a discussion of the particular issues you bring up beyond their utility in my contention that politics is indeed about morality. In this regard then, you are advocating a moral ideal which you hold to be true not just for yourself, but for me also. Freedom of expression, a freedom without limits of any sort is good for me, is moral, and is true. I may think differently, but unless I can muster the votes, I will be forced to pay for freely expressed ideas or images which may be morally repugnant to me (through taxes) - all because you and several other voters think they are good for me and at present you apparently outnumber those who think the contrary. You have succeeded in imposing your morality upon me. Political debates are about whose morals will be imposed, not about whether morals will be imposed.
] The notion that only a select few traditionalists or conservatives are seeking to impose a morality on the U.S. via the political process is nonsense. ALL participants in the political process seek to impose a moral vision on the nation, else there is no reason for such involvement. We are moralists all.
] Eric
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My feelings are quite the opposite. I was NOT advocating the imposition of a moral order but AGAINST its imposition on our rights. Freedom of expression is not a moral issue but a Constitutional right. This is precisely why the Constitution provides for the separation of church and state, to allow for the right of freedom, including freedom of expression, to exist and flourish.
: Janet
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Posted by Donna on November 13, 1996 at 20:13:57:
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] ] I love the CD, too. I have a 3-disc CD changer in my stereo. So at one time I can have a random play with the P&P soundtrack, the S&S soundtrack, and my only Beethoven CD. Heaven!
] ] The S&S soundtrack is well worth the money too. I didn't really notice the music when I saw the movie, I confess. But I bought the soundtrack at Borders after hearing it on one of those listening posts. It really is heartbreaking music. I like to listen to it when it's grey and rainy out. And when I'm really mad at the world, I'll put it on with a cup of tea and count the minutes till the tears start flowing. It's soooooo cathartic. Better than therapy.
] ] -Arnessa (sniffle, sniffle)
]
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] Where can I buy the Pride and Prejudice soundtrack??? I would appreciate it if someone could post the address again. I missed it the first time. Thanks!!!!
] Paula. .
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Paula there isn't any address really it depends were your at. I wouldn't order anything over the internet use the phone or call some of the surrounding record store in your area. Unless someone has a better idea. I got mine at the local mall record store. They had to special order it.
Donna
I mistakingly took the last R out of br and it turned bold sorry.
Donna
Posted by Anna on November 13, 1996 at 20:16:47:
] if this gets through, it will have been on my sixth attempt. If it's just heavy traffic I can live with it, but if I'm doing something wrong I'd like to correct it.
] A
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The post went through after I made some extra snips, and edited most comments a bit, so I'm assuming the problem is due to heavy traffic on the server. Another argument for brevity and snipping.
A
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Posted by Anne on November 13, 1996 at 20:22:28:
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Mari, Karen2, Zimei and Pamela all added.
Anne
Posted by Anne on November 13, 1996 at 20:27:47:
]
] Ann, I hate to be the odd one out and not be counted in this great group - so I'll confess, I'm 58. But I'm defying its gravity by ignoring it and playing tennis against 20 and 30 year-olds and occasionally beating them in singles!
] Inko
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Inko -
I've never understood why people worry about getting older.
I wouldn't go back to teenage or early 20s for anything.
Of course, I still think of myself as young and it is hard to believe (having no children of my own) that when my mother was my age I was 20. I could not imagine having a child that old. And of course, your parents always look 'older' than your peers do now at the same age.
Anne
PS - Will update the chart.
Posted by Anna on November 13, 1996 at 20:30:08:
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] Okay - geography lesson! ;-)
] - K
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Ta
A
in pursuit of brevity
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Posted by Anna on November 13, 1996 at 20:38:27:
]What if all of the male Fitzwilliamses died, heaven forbid, and their were no other heirs save Mr. Darcy? Would he get the title,
] Kali
In the absence of an informed answer from the mysterious one;
I think that if the male line died out the title went into abeyance. The property was shared evenly between the female heirs if there were any in the direct line, but I don't know were decendants of female heirs stood. If I'm right, Darcy might be able to inherit the Earl's property, but not the title.
Anna
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Posted by Anne on November 13, 1996 at 20:39:54:
| Adi | Israel | 20 |
| Amy | USA - Indiana | 42 |
| Angie | USA - California | 17 |
| Annika | 14 | |
| Ann | USA - Minnesota | 29 |
| Ann2 | Sweden | 56 |
| Anna | Australia | 39 |
| Anne | USA - Texas | 45 |
| Anne Other | South Africa | 40 |
| Arnessa | USA - Massachusetts | |
| Ayelet | Israel | 11 |
| Bea | USA - New Jersey | |
| Bernie | UK - Buckinghamshire | 31 |
| Brigid | USA - Massachusetts | |
| Candice | USA - California | 43 |
| Carolyn | USA - Virginia | 32 |
| Cecily | USA -California | 36 |
| Cheryl | USA - Nevada | 37 |
| Dana | Israel | 24 |
| Diana | USA - Florida | |
| Dina | USA - Utah | 35 |
| Donna | USA - Pennsylvania | 43 |
| DonnaT | 46 | |
| Eric | Sicily | 32 |
| Eva | USA - Ohio | |
| France | USA -California | 47 |
| Genie | USA - California | 50 |
| Gina | ||
| Grace | USA-Michigan | 42 |
| Hilary | Australia | 43 |
| Hope | Canada - NB | 22 |
| Ian | Australia | 31 |
| IF | Ireland | 14 |
| Inko | USA - Maryland | 58 |
| Jan | USA - Texas | |
| Jane A | USA - Massachusetts | 38 |
| Janet | USA - Connecticut | 43 |
| Joan Too | USA - California | 55 |
| Joanna | USA - California | |
| Johanne | Canada - Quebec | 36 |
| Kali | USA - California | 21 |
| Karen | USA - New York | 30 |
| Karen2 | USA - Pennsylvania | 27 |
| Kate | New Zealand | 27 |
| Katherine | USA - Maryland | |
| Kathleen | USA - Maryland | 47 |
| Kim | USA - Tennessee | 35 |
| Laura M | ||
| Leslie | 44 | |
| Lillian | Australia | |
| Linda Lee | USA - Ohio | 34 |
| Linda | USA - New York | 52 |
| Lisa | Canada - Quebec | |
| Lorraine | Canada - BC | |
| Louise | ||
| Mari | USA - Wisconsin | 41 |
| Marsha | USA - New York | 18 |
| Mary | USA - Texas | |
| Matthew | Canada - NB | 37 |
| Maureen | USA - Pennsylvania | |
| Mia | ||
| Mich | USA - California | 31 |
| Mysterious HC | USA - Texas | |
| Natalie | ||
| Paula O. | USA - Pennsylvania | 22 |
| Pamela | Canada - NB | 26 |
| Phyllis | ||
| Raewyn | New Zealand | |
| Ramona | USA - Michigan | |
| Raphael | USA - California | 20 |
| Rebecca | Canada - ON | 22 |
| Rebecca1 | USA - Texas | 45 |
| Rosebud | ||
| Saman | New Zealand | 20 |
| Sarah | USA - Alabama | 18 |
| Shelagh | ||
| Siri | ||
| Stefanie | USA - New York | 18 |
| Susan | USA - South Carolina | |
| Sylvia | USA - California | |
| Tay | USA - California | 16 |
| Terese | USA - Florida | 37 |
| Tommye | USA - South Carolina | |
| Valerie | USA - Illinois | |
| Zimei | USA - North Carolina | 30 |
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Posted by Anne on November 13, 1996 at 20:41:54:
I do not know why the gap is put in when I post the table. When I view it via my browser, the title and table are right after one another. This is really irritating me!!!
Anne
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Posted by Joan, too on November 13, 1996 at 20:45:14:
] Also my L is supposed to be a pound sign - don't have it on my keyboard.
] Inko.
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((The pound sign won't be on your keyboard [unless you have a British one ;-)] but it may be in your font. Try holding down your Option key (or equivalent) and typing a "3". You might find a £ hiding there.))
Joan, too
Posted by Donna on November 13, 1996 at 20:50:11:
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] ] If you had a chance to do an interview with CF what would you ask or do?
] ] ciao Donna
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] Since he and Ehle got so close to the characters I wonder what they think happened to the Darcy's after they were married. Do they think they lived happily ever after?Kids? ect. Of course I'd like to know the real scoop between he and Jennifer.
] I have a million more about their thoughts and interpretations in certain scenes but I won't ramble on.
] Mich
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[From what I have read he wouldn't want to talk about JE.You would get a crummy answer. Which I think is stupid. I think you would have to ask him questions about all of his work. Sort of lead into P&P. I would ask him what drives him on to be an actor? If he couldn't do that what else would he have done. Why is it so important not to become too famous?
He wants to remain a charactor actor from what I gather. I guess it is a lot easier. Lately though they seem to be getting just as many Acdmey Awards.
Thanks Donna
Posted by Janet on November 13, 1996 at 20:50:58:
] ] ] ] How much was 10,000 pounds in the day of P&P compared to today? Does anyone know? I know that that amount was considered a fourtune in itself, but Darcy got that amount every year. He must have been VERY rich!
] ] ]
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] ] ] Darcy has about 200,000 pounds income-generating equity (with 5% interest it generates a 10,000 pounds annuity), on top of other fortune such as Pemberly estate.
] ] ] That means that Darcy's fortune is about twich of Bingley's
] ] ] and five times of Bennet's. My impression is that such
] ] ] differences mean a lot more at that time than now.
] ] ] I've been curious about the today's equivalence of their relative financial situations.
] ] ] Zimei
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] ] In my Norton Critical edition of P&P (edited by Donald Gray) there is a long footnote about wealth and its equivalent value today:
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] Inko, in "What Jane Austen Ate and Charles Dickens Knew" the pound was worth between $20,$50, and $200 he calls intrepid esimates. Daniel Pool 1993 He had no clear answer.
] cioa Donna
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Thank you for all this info. I, too have been wondering about this all along. Please forgive me, but I am NOT an accountant; I just backtracked these numbers with a few simple calculations: At Donna's lowest currency rate of $20 to L1, Darcy's annual interest of L10,000 was equivalent to $200,000. If the interest rate was 5% annualized as Zimei suggested, his principal would be $4,000,000 and growing at the same rate of $20/L1. Presumably it would not be necessary or even possible to spend the $200,000 interest to support even a comfortable lifestyle by the lower cost of living, expenses, wages or standards of the day. Therefore the bulk of his interest and any other earnings would most likely be reinvested and/or added to the principal. Since growth is not stagnant by its very nature, this amount would constantly increase. If he was smart (and we know he was), he would invest wisely so that his profits, principal and ensuing interest would be ever-growing and overflowing, as would his love for Lizzie (and vice-versa). If there are any experts here to correct me, I would welcome it. This is not my field.
: Janet
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Posted by Amy on November 13, 1996 at 20:52:11:
been reading a book called 'The Red Queen' by Mat Ridley (a student of Dawkins) which is about sex and the evolution of human nature.
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Sorry to butt in but you reminded me of a three- or four-year -old book I skimmed and want to find again and read thoroughly. Woman author. Anthropologist who makes a pretty good (very interesting) case for why women have an urge to fall out of love after four years -- differentiation of species.
Have been wracking my brain. Strike a chord with anyone?
Posted by Donna on November 13, 1996 at 20:56:02:
If you had a chance to do an interview with CF what would you ask or do?
] ] ciao Donna
] this is a test why is it still bold I will figure it out
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Posted by Donna on November 13, 1996 at 20:57:12:
] ] ciao Donna
] this is a test why is it still bold I will figure it out
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