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Posted by Eric on November 13, 1996 at 15:41:10:
] ] My dear, I do make sermons for a living. I am an ordained minister and a U.S. Navy chaplain.
] ] Eric
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] I could tell that you do sermons and quite well but what about what Joan said. Can morals be taught and learned from an early age.
] ciao Donna
] How far is Palermo from where you are.
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I certainly hope so. It is my purpose to make the attempt to teach morals at an early age to my children. And it is absolutely certain that as I attempt to teach them, I must learn from their early age.
Palermo is about 3 hours from here. We live just west of Catania and north of the A19 (or is it the A18 - I can never keep those two straight).
Eric
Posted by Ian on November 13, 1996 at 15:43:02:
] ]
"the Princess of Wales ... Poor woman, I shall support her as long as I can, because she _is_ a Woman, & because I hate her Husband ... I am resolved at least always to think that she would have been respectable, if the Prince had behaved only tolerably by her at first."
Yes I saw the special on the ABC a month or so about the horrid Prince of Wales (crowned George 3rd) and the unfortunate Princess of Wales (Princess Charlotte). Yes Janet how little has changed.
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Posted by Anna on November 13, 1996 at 16:12:30:
] ] Anyone notice in the second of these that Darcy looks and bows directly and only to Lizzie. And then they exchange penetrating looks, almost glowers. There is certainly intent on both sides, and yes, I love it too.
] ] Hilary
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] And of course Lizzy is in agony from the moment she hears Mr Bingley and Mr Darcy.She must have been secretly forming that desperate resolution.
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] Ann2
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I had thought that Lizzy's fraught look was in part due to the momentary fear of her mother's mentioning Lady C's visit, as stated in the text.
Anna
Posted by Anna on November 13, 1996 at 16:19:02:
] Anna suggested that Lizzy and Jane were to go to London before the Wedding . Staying at the Gardiners and visiting Darcy's house where Bingley and Georgiana were too.
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] What excellent arrangments and ample sources of recreation and pleasure.
] Darcy would have a billiard room ...
] Ann2
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Happy thought indeed!
Anna ;-)
Posted by Jane A. on November 13, 1996 at 16:20:03:
Laura, I'd be happy to watch it again. I found it quite interesting and touching. Your desperateness about wanting us all to see it is also touching. Remember when one of the P&P obsession symptoms was described as "pushing"---wanting all your friends to see your tape.
Jane A.
Posted by Debbie on November 13, 1996 at 16:25:41:
I saw Rintoul a couple of years ago in a BBC series about a country doctor who returns to his practice in Scotland after a tour of duty in WWII. He was actually competent in the title role, although I too was dismayed at how he had aged; that nice mop of dark curls gone!]
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Posted by Marsha on November 13, 1996 at 16:44:53:
] I have detected that many Austen readers have wanted to have more, similar etc. Austen works I thought you might be intereseted in the attached review. This is from the November 18 issue of People magazine.
] Emma Watson
] by: Joan Aiken
] Only a brave writer would attempt to complete a novel begun by Jane Austen. But Aiken, who has written several Austen-inspired works, was game after reading a 17,500 word fragment the gifted novelist put aside when her father died in 1805.
] "Emma Watson" is both more action-packed and less satisfying than a real Austen tale. It, too, concerns the mating rights of the upper classes in early 19th century England. Emma is a reletivley impoverished daughter of a country parson with genteel connections. When several potential husbands surface, Aiken wisely has her choose the one Austen would have favored, an officer in the Royal Navy. But Emma also expresses some decidedly 20th century ideas -- that, for example, work outside the home may be a woman's true destiny. And it seems unlikely that Austen would ever have used the phrase "pop the question" when talking about a proposal. These quibbles aside, "Emma Watson" is a charming entertainment, evoking the atmosphere if not the subtle genius of Austen's beloved books) (St. Martin, $20.95)
] There you go, take it as you may, but People usually hates everything.
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Yes, but I've read Aiken's "Jane Fairfax" and while, not bad, it wasn't very Austen-like (I thought)
Marsha
Posted by Inko on November 13, 1996 at 16:49:03:
] Average=33.5 (one person identified only as 50+ wasn't counted)
] ] And the winner is...there are 4 people at 43.
] ] I have it nicely plotted in Excel, but I have no idea how to get it here.
] ] Ann
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Thanks for the plot against our ages. We shall endeavor to defy its gravity, in every respect of the word. In other circumstances we may be less willing to "own it".
] : Janet
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Ann, I hate to be the odd one out and not be counted in this great group - so I'll confess, I'm 58. But I'm defying its gravity by ignoring it and playing tennis against 20 and 30 year-olds and occasionally beating them in singles!
Inko
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Posted by Adi on November 13, 1996 at 17:01:38:
] ] Althogth, I live in the middle east, where we "enjoy" terror attacks every now and then - I think Pakistan is just a little bit too risky for my taste, isn't going there is like putting yourself in the middle of a fire zone? (according to cnn?)
] ] Adi
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] "firing zone"?!!!
] No, CNN's got it wrong . . . again. Pakistan's relatively safe, it suffers once in awhile from enemy attacks (don't all countries?), but otherwise it's a really nice place. I've visited there before once, and despite its fascinating and fiery politics, the people are so friendly, hospitable, and kind - sort of like the Arab hospitality, I guess. But having never been to an Arab country, I couldn't really say.
] In fact, the Pak-Indo subcontinent has been my passion for quite awhile. I am in love with its history, especially during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, when the English were beginning their imperial moves. It's a really fascinating place, and it's my life besides P&P2. I'm even trying (blush) to write a novel, though I hardly suppose it'll come out good enough. . . .
] Tay
] You're from the Middle East? Where? Are you an Arab? I've know a few, and they're really good friends!
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sorry to disappoint you, but you couldn't be more wrong! (I don't hate Arabs, just the "bad" ones, that try to
to kill us...)
I'm from Israel, Jewish, and to be honest - serving in the Israely army, so I kind of "fighting" the Arabs. I actually know some Arabs that are very nice, and I'm very familiar with the Arab hospitality that you mentioned. There is nothing better than to be a guest in a Bedouin tent!.
what is your attachment to Pakistan, exactly? (except the fact that you're going to study there?)
Adi
P.S - I can understand why you was wrong, my name sounds like an Arabic name, but actually Adi means jewel,adornment in Hebrew, and it's even mentioned in the bible...
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Posted by Jane A. on November 13, 1996 at 17:04:44:
] I remember vividly not seeing Brideshead, and I've never caught up with it. At the time my first son was born 6 weeks premature, and I was racing into the hospital all the time (with expressed milk) to see him.
] Hilary
Hilary, What a treat you have in store, one day when you finally get to see it. BR gave me that same feeling of longing to be in the world of the characters that P&P gives me. However, some things are much more important than a great novel dramatized. I'm a biologist, and I have a very strong opinion that all the trouble you went to with the milk was very good for your little boy.
Jane A.
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Posted by Debbie on November 13, 1996 at 17:08:02:
] I just received my copy of The Making of Pride and Prejudice yesterday. I was shocked to see a picture of the the actress who portrayed Lizzie. She is really blonde and fair. There are also pictures of the other actors, and many of them look extremely different. I think Colin Firth looks much better as Darcy than in other pictues I have seen of him.
I think CF looks best as Darcy because it is the only role where he wasn't forced to cut his hair too short and wear a ridiculous mustache. We'll see what they do to him in "The English Patient."
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Posted by Inko on November 13, 1996 at 17:15:33:
] ] Anyone notice in the second of these that Darcy looks and bows directly and only to Lizzie. And then they exchange penetrating looks, almost glowers. There is certainly intent on both sides, and yes, I love it too.
] ] Hilary
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] I have for some time now considered this last look before the second proposal to be my absolute favourite. He is trying so eagerly to detect some sign of love, asking her with his eyes,if the renewed hope he had scarcely allowed himself to have before is in vain, if his dearest wishes are to be fulfilled or not.
] And of course Lizzy is in agony from the moment she hears Mr Bingley and Mr Darcy.She must have been secretly forming that desperate resolution.
] Ann2
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I too love that look as Darcy enters; I agree with you Ann2, he's trying to see if a second proposal would be received favorably. Lizzie is not only in agony in case her mother blurts out about Lady C's visit, but I think she was also half expecting Bingley to make some excuse why Darcy had not returned, so when Darcy was announced she was also happily surprised. There seems to be such a mixture of happiness, fear, and determination in her look.
Inko
Posted by Joan, too on November 13, 1996 at 17:30:49:
] Ann, I hate to be the odd one out and not be counted in this great group - so I'll confess, I'm 58. But I'm defying its gravity by ignoring it and playing tennis against 20 and 30 year-olds and occasionally beating them in singles!
] Inko
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My high school math teacher retired at age 65 from that school (because she had reached the mandatory age) and for years she had had a standing offer of a free can of tennis balls to any student - boy or girl - who could beat her at tennis - and she never had to pay. This was a sore point with more than one macho boy! She missed her calling - should have been a tennis pro. But was born too early for that - no such thing as a women's pro tour back then.
Joan, too
Posted by Zimei on November 13, 1996 at 17:50:02:
] Average=33.5 (one person identified only as 50+ wasn't counted)
] And the winner is...there are 4 people at 43.
] I have it nicely plotted in Excel, but I have no idea how to get it here.
] Ann
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Ann, on our unix speadsheet I can do the chart and convert it into a gif file; When Anne does another refresh on the
data, I think I'll just do that and send the Gif file to Amy.
Zimei
Posted by Cheryl on November 13, 1996 at 17:53:42:
] I believe tomorrow's Showbiz Today (5:30 EST) will have a review of The English Patient. (They are also doing a promotional tie-in with a trip to Europe.)
] Ann
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Just caught it and it was given a very favorable review (as it has in every article I've read about it!) There was even a glimpse of Colin Firth kissing his wife as a stricken Ralph Fiennes (who also loves her) looks on. My eagerness to see the film is certainly rising, I am grown quite impatient. Two more weeks!
Cheryl
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Posted by Inko on November 13, 1996 at 17:56:39:
] ] I think she is going to be on David Letterman.
] ] Tonight
] ] Donna
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] Donna, are you sure ? I just checked Late Show guests lineup, I don't see Fergie's name on tonight's (11/13) show.
] Zimei
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Donna, Zimei, et al: Fergie is going to be on ABC's "Prime Time Live" tonight talking to Diane Sawyer at 10 p.m.EST. I too heard she's going to be on Letterman, but I think that's not today - maybe later - or maybe he was kidding.
Inko
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Posted by Zimei on November 13, 1996 at 18:03:24:
] ] I just received my copy of The Making of Pride and Prejudice yesterday. I was shocked to see a picture of the the actress who portrayed Lizzie. She is really blonde and fair. There are also pictures of the other actors, and many of them look extremely different. I think Colin Firth looks much better as Darcy than in other pictues I have seen of him.
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] I think CF looks best as Darcy because it is the only role where he wasn't forced to cut his hair too short and wear a ridiculous mustache. We'll see what they do to him in "The English Patient."
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He looks very, very cute in Hostages too - with that curly hair. In fact I think looks closest to his real-life image in that movie. I sure hope he'll never try that mustache bit again !
Zimei
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Posted by Raewyn on November 13, 1996 at 18:12:32:
] Any tapes that are sold as a set are the complete tapes- no missing scenes. You will only have missing scenes if you taped your copy directly from the A&E broadcast in the US. Rest easy, go buy the tapes and enjoy!
] Cheryl
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Oh good, that's a relief.
Thanks!
Raewyn
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Posted by Tay on November 13, 1996 at 18:15:21:
] ] ] Althogth, I live in the middle east, where we "enjoy" terror attacks every now and then - I think Pakistan is just a little bit too risky for my taste, isn't going there is like putting yourself in the middle of a fire zone? (according to cnn?)
] ] ] Adi
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] ] "firing zone"?!!!
] ] No, CNN's got it wrong . . . again. Pakistan's relatively safe, it suffers once in awhile from enemy attacks (don't all countries?), but otherwise it's a really nice place. I've visited there before once, and despite its fascinating and fiery politics, the people are so friendly, hospitable, and kind - sort of like the Arab hospitality, I guess. But having never been to an Arab country, I couldn't really say.
] ] In fact, the Pak-Indo subcontinent has been my passion for quite awhile. I am in love with its history, especially during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, when the English were beginning their imperial moves. It's a really fascinating place, and it's my life besides P&P2. I'm even trying (blush) to write a novel, though I hardly suppose it'll come out good enough. . . .
] ] Tay
] ] You're from the Middle East? Where? Are you an Arab? I've know a few, and they're really good friends!
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] sorry to disappoint you, but you couldn't be more wrong! (I don't hate Arabs, just the "bad" ones, that try to
] to kill us...)
] I'm from Israel, Jewish, and to be honest - serving in the Israely army, so I kind of "fighting" the Arabs. I actually know some Arabs that are very nice, and I'm very familiar with the Arab hospitality that you mentioned. There is nothing better than to be a guest in a Bedouin tent!.
] what is your attachment to Pakistan, exactly? (except the fact that you're going to study there?)
] Adi
] P.S - I can understand why you was wrong, my name sounds like an Arabic name, but actually Adi means jewel,adornment in Hebrew, and it's even mentioned in the bible...
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Adi,
Sheesh, sorry I called you an Arab! Like I said, I've got a lot of Arab friends, but I also know a few Jews. They're pretty nice too, even if we don't all agree on Jewish Settlement, and all that stuff. But, I love to meet people from all over the world (hence my love for Pakistan), except, of course like you so aptly said, the "bad guys".
I mentioned before that I've got an uncle in Pakistan. He was working in Norway where he married a Pakistani, so he moved over there and lives there now with his family. A few years ago, during summer, I went to visit them and since have fallen in love with the Pak-Indo subcontinent. I'm not really connected otherwise, although sometimes I wish I were!
Tay
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Posted by Kate on November 13, 1996 at 18:23:14:
I may have myself all confused but it seems a little odd to me that here in NZ we can buy the set of tapes for NZ$49.95 but in the US they cost about US$69.95 (is that right?) but you can buy a CD for US$15 and we pay NZ$30.
Any commments?
Kate
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