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Posted by Janice on November 12, 1996 at 17:55:49:
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In part 6, I love the way that Darcy looks at Lizzie when Bingley and he visit for the first time after returning to Netherfield. Also, when he first enters the room before Bingley suggests a walk. Those looks send shivers down my spine. I wonder what Darcy is thinking at these points.
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I think Darcy was either checking Lizzy's emotion because he had known the visit of Lady C, and the exchanges between his aunt and Lizzy, or he just CAN NOT HELP looking at her ;-)
Posted by Anna on November 12, 1996 at 17:59:57:
:: Mr. Darcy, as violently horny as we can all imagine he is, would certainly be man enough to
extract a kiss from his equally-interested fiance.
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:I hope so, but I am by no means sure- Mrs Bennet will always be around complimenting him, and also Collinses and Lucases.
The poor man won't have any time in private with Lizzy (Unless he takes one of these long walks)
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Since they only have 8 weeks to prepare their wedding clothes I would advise Jane and Lizzy to go to London and stay with the Gardiners for a few weeks (they could then use dressmakers instead of having to make the dresses themselves, by hand). Darcy and Bingley could stay in Darcy's town house, with Georgiana and her chaperone there Lizzy and Jane could call at Darcy's place without raising any eyebrows. An improvement on Longbourne in several respects.
Anna
Posted by Janice on November 12, 1996 at 18:06:12:
Really? I thought his wooden look in P&P1 was the director's interpretation of how Darcy would have behaved. I even thought: poor chap, ruined by a not so witty director. Well, I was obviously wrong.
Posted by Anna on November 12, 1996 at 18:06:36:
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Okay, so where WAS everybody last night? ;-)
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I would like to report sighting the Newcastle's first Christmas party of 1996 %-|
Anna
Posted by Inko on November 12, 1996 at 18:18:46:
From my murky recollections, Episode 5 was only 50 minutes long, whereas Episode 6 was a full 60. So this sequence of events makes even less sense, since the BBC could have screened the extra 5 minutes at the end of Episode 5.
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PS. Anna, the BBC still don't show commercials. Hurrah! That was one of my pet peeves about American TV -- too many commercial breaks!!
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Bernie, I think you might have these episodes reversed in your murky recollections. On my tapes, Episode 5 runs 53 minutes (not counting opening and closing credits) while Episode 6 is only 48 minutes. Had they run the sequence correctly, Episode 5 would have been over an hour and Episode 6 only about 45 minutes. That's probably why they did it this way - though I admit it's annoying.
I love watching the BBC when I'm in England in the summer because there are no commercials. Last summer I watched the Olympics - in the U.S. NBC put in a commercial every three minutes, or so it seemed - much more enjoyable on BBC!
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Posted by Kali on November 12, 1996 at 18:33:07:
Oh yes! %^}
- K
Posted by Amy on November 12, 1996 at 18:38:02:
please can we do a Maurice Virtual watch please, please, please. I love the movie. Hugh Grant, James Wilby, RUPERT, Rupert and James Wilby together. very risque but wonderful. Hugh Grant is totally awesome in this flick.
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Laura, you know I am always up for Forster. When we did the ARWAV virtual view, though, there were not many participants. Maybe we could do it less formally. I wouldn't mind rereading it, and have not seen the movie for 3-4 years.
Amy
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Posted by Amy on November 12, 1996 at 18:45:14:
] please can we do a Maurice Virtual watch please, please, please. I love the movie. Hugh Grant, James Wilby, RUPERT, Rupert and James Wilby together. very risque but wonderful. Hugh Grant is totally awesome in this flick.
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] Laura, you know I am always up for Forster. When we did the ARWAV virtual view, though, there were not many participants. Maybe we could do it less formally. I wouldn't mind rereading it, and have not seen the movie for 3-4 years.
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Laura,
Sorry to keep using your threads in tests today. I am presuming a friend's perogative. Just let me type in a few more words here so I can make certain everything is working properly. Sometimes I feel like a motherless child. Let's go down by the grapevine drink my daddy's wine get happy. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words.
Posted by Amy on November 12, 1996 at 18:48:32:
] please can we do a Maurice Virtual watch please, please, please. I love the movie. Hugh Grant, James Wilby, RUPERT, Rupert and James Wilby together. very risque but wonderful. Hugh Grant is totally awesome in this flick.
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] Laura, you know I am always up for Forster. When we did the ARWAV virtual view, though, there were not many participants. Maybe we could do it less formally. I wouldn't mind rereading it, and have not seen the movie for 3-4 years.
] Amy
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Laura,
Sorry to keep using your threads in tests today. I am presuming a friend's perogative. Just let me type in a few more words here so I can make certain everything is working properly. Sometimes I feel like a motherless child. Let's go down by the grapevine drink my daddy's wine get happy. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words.
Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words. Few more words.
Posted by Hilary on November 12, 1996 at 18:52:17:
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£ So it's very hard for me to see what moral system JA is espousing, if she is a moralist. Is it one where wit reigns supreme? Then Mr. Bennet should have been rewarded with a more sensible wife, no? Is it one where individualism is paramount?...
£ -Arnessa (sorry to rattle away so much).
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As for a system, I would not say that JA is offering a solid system.
Eric
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I am enjoying the rattling...
I don't think it's a question of a 'moral system'. This implies a recipe for behaviour that will fit any given situation. As you have both pointed out life is too messy, involves too many grey areas, and too many things that can't be stuffed into given spaces, for such a recipe to work. So to espouse, for example, wit reigning supreme, or the cult of individualism etc as a moral world view would be too simplistic (Mary or Mr.Collins country), and I certainly think JA doesn't fall into that trap.
But I do think she intends us to see the wisdom of being true to one's own sense of integrity, and making the best of whatevever situation you find yourself in. Is this an early example of situation ethics?
Hilary
Posted by Kelly on November 12, 1996 at 19:02:08:
Hi! I'm back! Kelly, 27, from Virginia USA
Posted by Hilary on November 12, 1996 at 19:03:40:
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I keep on drifting back to it too, Grace. I'm glad you got hold of a copy. I thought I'd also type out that bit about the families that you mentioned:
'The inescapability of the family, and its interlocking of vice and virtue is one of the novel's subjects, and also a condition of its form. Elizabeth's ironic frankness is a subtler mutation of Lydia's coarseness, her ironic exploration boldness of Lydia's brazenness as a flirt. She acknowledges this kinship with Lydia when the latter condemns Mary King's nasty freckles: the ugly sentiment 'was little other than her own breast had formerly harboured and fancied liberal!' Jane's sweet temper is suspiciously close to the prosing moralism of Mary, and her debility at Netherfield and low spirits in London are inheritances from her hyperchondriac mother. The problem, which exercises Elizabeth as well as Darcy and Bingley, of how to preserve Jane and Elizabeth from the obloquy due to the other members of the family, is pressing because they can't rightly be separated. The family is united by its various styles of irresponsibility. Mary retires into sententiousness, her mother into lamentation, her father into perversity, Jane into long-suffering patience, Elizabeth into the evasive disdain of irony. Even Lydia, as her letter to Mrs. Forster discloses, shares the family habit of excusing a misdemeanour by making a jest of it: for her it will be 'a good joke' to marry Wickham. Even Mrs Bennet participates in the lethal wishfulness of her husband's or Elizabeth's irony when she declares that her consolation, after Bingley's departure, will be Jane's death of a broken heart.'
And later about Darcy:
'the familial structure of the novel ensures that these vices (P&P), which Darcy and Elizabeth earn the right to deploy in the limited warfare of self-defence, remain simply vicious when used by Darcy's aunt or E's mother. Lady C's arrogance is a less astute version of Darcy's demanding integrity, which leads him to warn Bingley against Jane; Elizabeth is embarrassed when her mother flaunts her dislike of Darcy in Ch. 9, but it is the same honest revulsion as her own, more clumsily expressed.'
Again, while I don't whole-heartedly agree, I have to accept a lot of this.
Hilary
Posted by Janet on November 12, 1996 at 19:07:19:
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Kali, cheer up - you've found a fellow cat lover. I was so sorry to hear that you felt abandoned this morning. I stayed up as late as I could last night, but I am usually up much later and often come online. I agree it's more fun when you can actually "talk" with someone more or less simultaneously instead of searching for buried responses the next day. At least you can catch up without the list growing in light traffic. I, too, had my own (negative) visions of what I thought was called a "chat line". To my surprise, I am excessively diverted.
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Posted by Melissa Sak on November 12, 1996 at 19:07:46:
P&P was quite possibly the best movie I had ever seen. I am even thinking about doing a term paper on it! One request, I hope it never gets ruined with a sequel!
"Perhaps we might visit Pemberly after all."
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Posted by Hilary on November 12, 1996 at 19:13:06:
I actually really enjoy Miss Bingley, probably in a similar way to Arnessa liking Lydia. For one thought to be so accomplished, she is so insensitive, superficial, and transparent, and every 'art of deception' that she tries on Darcy and Lizzie fails so spectacularly. She is bright enough to know she has been put in her place, but stupid enough to be unable to resist having another go!
I like the thought of Miss B. as a celebrity chat show host, like someone else mentioned (can't find where, sorry) - all those traits I mentioned would equip her beautifully for the job. But does she have the necessary sentimentalism?
For the other Aussies on the BB (Ian, Anna, and Lillian) does Miss B remind you at all of Geraldine Dooghe (sp?) who used to be on ABC news and now does Radio National's 'Life Matters'? I do not mean to imply that Geraldine shares Miss B's character, but that there is a similar look and possibly voice quality.
And finally, I don't know the history of the nickname 'duckface'. But have kept ducks as pets for many years, and every time I read that I see their smiling quizzical faces. One of my ducks is sitting on 18 eggs at present - so much for the efficiacy of ducktape!
Hilary
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Posted by Adi on November 12, 1996 at 19:19:29:
£ £ Me? I'll be going to Pakistan. I don't know if anyone's ever heard of it before, but it's right next to India. I'll be going to its capital, Islamabad. I've been there before, and visited its American Center, so I'm actually looking quite forward to it. It'll be my first time "on my own" (even if my eldest sister's already there). Our family is very tight about letting us be alone, but we've got our "mahrem", which means guardian - my dad's brother.
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Well, what I've heard so far from my sister, things in Islamabad (although a far cry from Karachi) aren't so smooth either. The prime minister has been kicked out, but she's clawing back, so things might turn ugly. But, otherwise, Islamabad is a relatively safe place, and hopefully things won't get too bad. It's one of the most safe and secure cities in the Indo-Pak subcontinent; away from the bombings of Lahore and Karachi.
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Althogth, I live in the middle east, where we "enjoy" terror attacks every now and then - I think Pakistan is just a little bit too risky for my taste, isn't going there is like putting yourself in the middle of a fire zone? (according to cnn?)
Adi
Posted by Hilary on November 12, 1996 at 19:27:08:
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In part 6, I love the way that Darcy looks at Lizzie when Bingley and he visit for the first time after returning to Netherfield. Also, when he first enters the room before Bingley suggests a walk. Those looks send shivers down my spine. I wonder what Darcy is thinking at these points.
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Anyone notice in the second of these that Darcy looks and bows, not to Mrs. B or the others at large, as you might expect, but directly and only to Lizzie. And then they exchange penetrating looks, almost glowers. There is certainly intent on both sides, and yes, I love it too.
Hilary
Posted by Janet on November 12, 1996 at 19:35:02:
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____What a sweetheart you are to have watched the show. To think that people would actually tune it for such a thing from a reference on a post list is a testament to how sweet you truly are. We must be more than just a post list, no? Amy, you really have started something here.
Thank you for the complement about my daughter. She is my lovely. Yes, my VCR is being put to good use lately, between today's show and tomorrow's P&P. What a ghastly hour to tape, though - 7am. How do the other time zones manage it? I don't trust my timer.
I have been trying to find a VCR that has both VCR Plus (to program with the preset codes) AND a tape copy function. Does anyone know if there is such a multifunctional device? The copy function comes in handy. That's how I got my set of P&P tapes - a friend has a copier VCR with which she duplicated the original non-commercial tapes. She was a dear to give me a set - and now I can't part with it. I know. Tsk, tsk. Thanks again.
: Janet
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Posted by Hilary on November 12, 1996 at 19:37:35:
£ Yeeps, Hilary. Creepy. Look at these messages just over 2 minutes apart:
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Global ESP!
Hilary
Posted by Cheryl on November 12, 1996 at 19:49:47:
] I actually really enjoy Miss Bingley, probably in a similar way to Arnessa liking Lydia. For one thought to be so accomplished, she is so insensitive, superficial, and transparent, and every 'art of deception' that she tries on Darcy and Lizzie fails so spectacularly. She is bright enough to know she has been put in her place, but stupid enough to be unable to resist having another go!
I agree, Hilary, although I am the one who confesed some time ago now how much I would like to slap her sometimes! She is so dense when it comes to Darcy. I particularily like the passage in the book when Darcy says that Lizzy is "One of the handsomest women of my acquaintance" Jane Austen says, Miss Bingley was left to all the satisfaction of having forced him to say what gave no one any pain but herself." Poor thing, she is always shooting herself in the foot!
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"Duckface" is a nickname she acquired from the movie "Four Weddings and a Funeral. Friends of the Hugh Grant character saddled her with that, no doubt as a comment upon her most prominate facial feature (her nose, or duckbill). Cruel, I know, but very funny.
Cheryl
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