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Posted by Bernie on November 12, 1996 at 12:37:49:
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£ G'day Kali,
£ I think the Earth is a large spherical object which rotates around the Sun so that some parts of it are daytime when you lucky folks are fast asleep dreaming of the next episode or next chapter of P&P.
£ Your sentiments are mine exactly though, but not the lonely, lonely, lonely part. Us Australians, New Zealanders, and South Africans often visit in your wee hours. How do you think we feel when we return to find our responses from the previous day are well down the page because of the wonderful dialogue that's occurred that day?
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Ian, my sentiments exactly. We are 6 hours ahead of the American East Coast. I tend to post before I officially start work (before 9.30 am GMT - 3.30 EST [ when I'm frantically trying to catch up] or after 5.30 pm -11.30 EST ). I'd be skinned alive if I got caught posting during "office hours".
Bernie
Posted by Bernie on November 12, 1996 at 12:41:28:
£ Oh the time here on the East Coast of Australia is 20:24 Australian Eastern Summer Time. That's Daylight Savings Time, so we're an hour ahead of what the normal time is here.
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Ian,
Is "The Bill" a program we have exported to Austalia by any chance ?
Bernie
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Posted by Janet on November 12, 1996 at 12:48:43:
Yes, and the best part is when it's smeared all over thekitchen. You are right about the birth story. My son often comes back to it. At least he's over the stage of requiring confirmation that he was not adopted. Thank goodness for cameras. How old is your youngest?
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My youngest is 6 and right now he is watching Nick and eating Yellow vanilla{French vanilla } ice cream for lunch and chips because we had peanut butter & fluff for a snack at school.He wanted to rent a Playstation tape with his Halloween money I talked him out of that,not during school days. What I really notices with boys is that they can find something to do to keep busy. He is very creative with legos. He'll make 10-12 robots and line them up and play with them for hours and nobody is allowed to touch them. Legos are really great plus he has that lego table which keeps them all in one place.
Messes don't bother me anymore, when you have three kids something always out of place. As they get older it time for them now to take care of all of their stuff,including their rooms thats all I ask of them {I mean the two older kids} their pretty good about it.
ciao Donna
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Six is a great age, on the cusp of self-sufficiency. It sounds like you're training them well. Mine has the Pla-Doh now, hand in hand with her lunch. They're beginning to look more alike with the dough colors all mashed together. As long as she doesn't get them confused with her pasta. Time to go.
: Janet
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Posted by Amy on November 12, 1996 at 12:49:53:
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I think Lizzy can become "Lady Elizabeth";-)
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Lady C with her character does seem like the type to have high blood pressure-
Of course, that leave Lady Anne (the new one), but with her weakly constitution, that's no problem, so, voila!-Lady Lizzy!
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Marsha, I know you are just kidding, but I don't think Anne would carry even an honorary title. I should leave this to others who know more about rank, but I think Lady C and her sister were accorded honorary titles because their father msut have been was an Earl or higher. Since the younger Anne's father was not titled, Anne would not be titled.
But somebody help me out with the relationships.I can't remember, is Col Fitz's father Lady C's brother?
Interesting side note: when an earl has kids the girls get to be called Lady, younger sons don't. You have to get higher up like the Marquis in Brideshead Revisited for the younger sons to be called "Lord"
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Posted by Bernie on November 12, 1996 at 12:52:58:
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Has anyone read Joan Aiken's "Mansfield Revisited" ? In it Tom Bertram marries Susan, Fanny's youngder sister.
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No. Way. Can't see it. Was he able to reform himself as Henry could not?
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Yes, eventually, although the tranforAMtion ( sic. ) isn't nearly as complete as Darcy's in P&P. Joan Aiken has Susan and Tom squabbling like brother and sister for about half the book. Actually, what turns him around the most, is that he believes Susan is in love with Henry (she isn't really) and he feels that he doen't stand a chance with her.
Bernie
Posted by Laura M on November 12, 1996 at 12:53:53:
<; Laura we miss you. This is also a test.>
Amy,
I'm confused. Is it that you miss me a test. Or you miss me. This is a test? Just kidding.
I have been a little lax in posting, but again the new people seem to take all my ideas. No, I really haven't had much to say. But to those of you who remember way back when when we viewed A ROOM WITH A VIEW, I did finally pick up an EM Forster novel, MAURICE. I wanted to add some spice to my life, I guess. Greatest novel I ever read. Almost like poetry. Well enough off topic.
Bernie, is R. Graves in the Bronte adaptation? If so, when will it come to America?
Laura
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Posted by Bernie on November 12, 1996 at 12:54:14:
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Has anyone read Joan Aiken's "Mansfield Revisited" ? In it Tom Bertram marries Susan, Fanny's youngder sister.
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No. Way. Can't see it. Was he able to reform himself as Henry could not?
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Yes, eventually, although the tranforAMtion ( sic. ) isn't nearly as complete as Darcy's in P&P. Joan Aiken has Susan and Tom squabbling like brother and sister for about half the book. Actually, what turns him around the most, is that he believes Susan is in love with Henry (she isn't really) and he feels that he doen't stand a chance with her.
Bernie
Sorry, the last post was a bit of a disaster!
Posted by genie on November 12, 1996 at 12:56:51:
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£ £ Darcy's mother was named Lady Anne when she married Mr Darcy Snr.
£ £ Would Lizzy become Lady Elizabeth because she married Darcy?
£ £ Imagine that... Lady Lizzy!!!
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£ £ Lilian
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£ Darcy's mum was Lady Anne before she married. As Darcy is not titled, neither will Elizabeth be titled.
£ Your humble servant, etc.
£ kathleen
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I agree that Elizabeth would not be titled because her husband is not. My question is: why was Darcy's mother titled when his father was not? Could a daughter inherit a title from a father? Lady Catherine was titled through marriage to Sir Lewis de Bourgh not through her father. Did JA err? (Horrors!) Is there someone familiar with aristocratic nomenclature who can clarify this for me? It has been bothering me for quite a while. Thanks. G
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Posted by Amy on November 12, 1996 at 12:59:57:
I better head this off:
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Interesting side note: when an earl has kids the girls get to be called Lady, younger sons don't.
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Right. They don't get to be called Lord; they are called Honourable. See precedence listing in "What Jane Austen Ate and..." Younger sons of earls are still pretty high -- I don't have the book, but if I remember right, higher than
Baronets in their own right and way over most military officers.
Anybody know if it took being nobility to become First Lord Admiral (despite the office and cleaning training described in G&S's Lord Admiral's song)?
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Posted by The Mysterious H.C. on November 12, 1996 at 13:03:59:
£ £ I am just trying it. Colons don't seem to show up very well. I sometimes have trouble distinguishing quoted material from the response. The _______ helps, I think. The symbol? I don't know. Does it show up on everybody's browser as a pound sterling sign? I can change it. HC likes the : better or suggested a |. Ever think of HC as a wizard?
£ £ Amy
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£ I like the break________that has helped seperate posts a lot. The pound sterling sign is fine, but it's when it appears as £ that it really clutters things up and becomes hard to read. I prefer the colon, myself, but that may just be because that's what I'm used to, you know, old dog, new tricks, and all that.
£ Cheryl
£ Nice wizard, but I don't think HC is quite so menacing!
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If you want something that won't be overlooked, how about "#"? I think the pound sign is just too asymmetrical to serve this function (though if you insist on using it, it should probably be coded as ampersand + "#163;", instead of ampersand + "pound;".
P.S. You're right Cheryl, I may not be excessively aesthetic, but I don't look like that!
Posted by Bernie on November 12, 1996 at 13:10:37:
Amy,
I know I shouldn't post this direct to the BB, but I've had so much trouble with my E-mail link. I posted the responses, but they obviously didn't get to you, even though according to my server the message was sent!!
Anyhow, I noticed that Anne sent an HTMLised document direct, so I'm giving it a go too.
Keep up the good work. In profound appreciation,
Bernie
PS. Is there a way to attach pictures from a remote site (they don't have URL's as far as I know)?
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| Occupation | Lecturer in Chemistry. |
| First saw P&P2 | When it debuted on the BBC, Autumn 1995. |
| Learned about it how? | Various newspaper articles in late 1994 mentioned that the BBC were
making P&P and I was on tenterhooks for almost a year before the adaptation was screened. |
| What interested you in seeing it? | Had read all of Jane Austen's novels several times, and also I have
copies of both P&P0 and P&P1 and wanted to know how this miniseries would compare to previous adaptations. |
| Have you read the original novel? | Yes. |
| If so, before or after seeing the movie? | Numerous times both before and after watching P&P2. |
| Favorite character(s) (other than Lizzy or Darcy-as liking them
goes without saying.) | I think all the characters (major or minor) were portrayed
beautifully, but if I had to choose I would have to say that David Bamber's Mr. Collins was excellent. Even now, it gives me the creeps thinking about Mr. Collins sidling oilily up to Darcy at the Netherfield Ball. |
| Favorite scene/sequence | The evening at Pemberley, especially Darcy gazing beatifically at Elizabeth.
I get this warm tingly sensation every time I watch this scene. |
| Most awkward scene to watch (or not watch because you feel so
embarrassed for the characters involved) | Mrs. Bennet's visit to Netherfield Ñ she is so vulgar. I feel
so sorry for Lizzie; she looks as though she is waiting for the floor to open up and swallow her whole. |
| Other Austen films viewed | I have all the BBC Jane Austen adaptations + P&P0 on video. Also,
I have seen Em's S&S but haven't had time to see the recent film version of Emma. |
| Anything else you would like to share (interests, marital status
etc...) | Interests : Numerous including reading (especially
Jane Austen), tennis, golf, trampolining and cricket! Where from ?: Born and brought up in Croydon, Surrey;
Signs of addiction : I have 5 copies of P&P (the
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Posted by Bernie on November 12, 1996 at 13:20:17:
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Bernie, is R. Graves in the Bronte adaptation? If so, when will it come to America?
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Laura
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Yes. Auntie Beeb will start screening this Sunday. As to when it will be screened in the States, your guess is as good as mine! :·)
Bernie
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Posted by Bernie on November 12, 1996 at 13:34:08:
£ Am I the only one out of Africa? Natal - South Africa.
£ Anne
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Am I the only one posting from Britain ? Are there any lurkers out there -- if so come out, come out wherever you are! ;-)
Bernie
Posted by The Mysterious H.C. on November 12, 1996 at 13:40:13:
] £ £ Darcy's mum was Lady Anne before she married. As Darcy is not titled, neither will Elizabeth be titled.
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]I think Lizzy can become "Lady Elizabeth";-)
]Lady C with her character does seem like the type to have high blood pressure-a sudden feeling of anger would carry her Ladyship off quite nicely.
]Of course, that leave Lady Anne (the new one), but with her weakly constitution, that's no problem, so, voila!-Lady Lizzy
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Nope, won't work -- you only have the title "Lady" when either you're married to a person of rank Knight or higher, or you're the daughter of a person of rank Earl or higher (there are actually different usages for different situations, but we won't go into all the subcases).
Now, the heir to the title of Earl is Col. Fitzwilliam's older brother, and neither Miss (not Lady) Anne de Bourgh nor Darcy are at all likely to succeed.
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Fitzwilliam Georgiana elder Colonel Anne de
Darcy Darcy son(s) Fitzwilliam Bourgh
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Posted by Mari on November 12, 1996 at 13:43:11:
£ . . . when he and Bingley {after Lizzie and the G. leave}walk back into the room at Pemberly he looks so much taller and broader in his shoulder then Bingley.I think because he enter the room first. BTW I love the way he walks in this scene. He takes those long, gliding steps and his arms are swinging. I am sure he is a loud walker on wood floors. You would know when he was about.
£ Donna
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Yes, we must allow him to be an excellent walker.
Mari
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Posted by Kali on November 12, 1996 at 13:48:00:
Us Australians, New Zealanders, and South Africans often visit in your wee hours. How do you think we feel when we return to find our responses from the previous day are well down the page because of the wonderful dialogue that's occurred that day?
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Okay, so where WAS everybody last night? ;-)
- K
Posted by Kali on November 12, 1996 at 13:49:54:
Janet,
I caught part of it here. It WAS cute.
- K
Posted by Tay on November 12, 1996 at 13:51:28:
£ £ Me? I'll be going to Pakistan. I don't know if anyone's ever heard of it before, but it's right next to India. I'll be going to its capital, Islamabad. I've been there before, and visited its American Center, so I'm actually looking quite forward to it. It'll be my first time "on my own" (even if my eldest sister's already there). Our family is very tight about letting us be alone, but we've got our "mahrem", which means guardian - my dad's brother.
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£ I would have been worried if you had said Karachi!
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Well, what I've heard so far from my sister, things in Islamabad (although a far cry from Karachi) aren't so smooth either. The prime minister has been kicked out, but she's clawing back, so things might turn ugly. But, otherwise, Islamabad is a relatively safe place, and hopefully things won't get too bad. It's one of the most safe and secure cities in the Indo-Pak subcontinent; away from the bombings of Lahore and Karachi.
Tay
Posted by genie on November 12, 1996 at 13:53:21:
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]Lady C with her character does seem like the type to have high blood pressure-a sudden feeling of anger would carry her Ladyship off quite nicely.
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Nope, won't work -- you only have the title "Lady" when either you're married to a person of rank Knight or higher, or you're the daughter of a person of rank Earl or higher (there are actually different usages for different situations, but we won't go into all the subcases).
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Now, the heir to the title of Earl is Col. Fitzwilliam's older brother, and neither Miss (not Lady) Anne de Bourgh nor Darcy are at all likely to succeed.
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] (Old Earl of ----, ] surnamed Fitzwilliam) ] | ] +------------+----+----------------+ ] | | | ] (Old Mr. === (Lady current Lady === (Sir Lewis ] Darcy) | Anne) Earl of ---- Catherine | de Bourgh) ] | | | ] +------+------+ +---+------+ | ] | | | | | ] Fitzwilliam Georgiana elder Colonel Anne de ] Darcy Darcy son(s) Fitzwilliam Bourgh ]
Thank you, HC, for answering some of my questions. I didn't realize that the daughters of noblemen could assume the title also. By that reckoning, however, wouldn't Anne de Bourgh be Lady Anne de Bourgh? Or did she have to wait till both her parents were deceased? The charts, by the way, helped put everything in perspective. Thanks.
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