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Posted by Janet on November 12, 1996 at 08:10:50:
£ Come on Janet. Don't tease about my asking you to edit. It's only polite to snip and I have long said not a word about it. Somebody help me out there. Is snipping not a thing to be encouraged for bandwith's sake not to mention reading ease? Or if you all tell me it is of little matter I shall try to be silent on the matter for you must know I do not like to snipe.
Amy, please forgive me! I was not teasing, honestly. I hope you believe me to be sincere. I was serious that you my post really was horrendously long and that you may not appreciate lengthy posts. Please let us know about this so we can try to be more concise if that will help. In regard to snipping, I noticed that you commended someone on a previous follow-up for snipping when I had not. I will try to snip wherever I can, but sometimes I'm not sure when or how much to snip, lest someone's original topic be obliterated, ne'er to be seen again. Truly, I was not teasing you. How could I? I have only to thank you.
Posted by Ian on November 12, 1996 at 08:13:47:
£ Darcy's mum was Lady Anne before she married. As Darcy is not titled, neither will Elizabeth be titled.
£ Your humble servant, etc.
Won't Lizzy now be Mrs Fitzwilliam Darcy?
Posted by Janet on November 12, 1996 at 08:23:10:
£ £ Come on Janet. Don't tease about my asking you to edit. It's only polite to snip and I have long said not a word about it. Somebody help me out there. Is snipping not a thing to be encouraged for bandwith's sake not to mention reading ease? Or if you all tell me it is of little matter I shall try to be silent on the matter for you must know I do not like to snipe.
£ Amy, please forgive me! I was not teasing, honestly. I hope you believe me to be sincere. I was serious that my post really was horrendously long and that you may not appreciate lengthy posts. Please let us know about this so we can try to be more concise if that will help. In regard to snipping, I noticed that you commended someone on a previous follow-up for snipping when I had not. I will try to snip wherever I can, but sometimes I'm not sure when or how much to snip, lest someone's original topic be obliterated, ne'er to be seen again. Truly, I was not teasing you. How could I? I have only to thank you.
£ : Janet
I just noticed your title which you must have meant to be "snipping sniping". This makes me feel even worse that you thought I should do such a thing. Please do not think I was sniping about snipping. I may snipe about other topics but never about you. I shall try to snip properly but I hope I never offend by careless sniping or snipping. I am really concerned that we all are gaining so much pleasure from this board, and I have not the slightest idea what you may have to do to keep it up. Do you have to read every post and edit lengthy threads? Please tell us what else we can do to help, or if this is costing you, per a previous thread. With all us here we could surely contribute if there is any expense involved.
Posted by Cecily on November 12, 1996 at 08:36:13:
£ £ It really is a pain being on the board late at night. Everyone else is asleep. Lonely, lonely, lonely.
£ £ - K
£ G'day Kali,
£ I think the Earth is a large spherical object which rotates around the Sun so that some parts of it are daytime when you lucky folks are fast asleep dreaming of the next episode or next chapter of P&P.
£ Your sentiments are mine exactly though, but not the lonely, lonely, lonely part. Us Australians, New Zealanders, and South Africans often visit in your wee hours. How do you think we feel when we return to find our responses from the previous day are well down the page because of the wonderful dialogue that's occurred that day? ________
Kali- Lonely maybe, but never alone. All of us who read/post here have become a virtual family or "circle of friends" who are often in one another's thoughts, I believe, as much as those beloved JA characters. Not only do I check in here in the wee hours (California time) but also after work, and my family hears about Amy, Kali, Eric, Ian, et al. "snippets of info" as much as they hear letters from Aunt Lizzie (yes, we have one & she's very like Darcy's Lizzie).
So, chin up, my dear!
Ian- "It's so refreshing," as Caroline would say, to hear from you and other male posters (sorry, sounds odd) on JA, etc. Keeps things in balance, so to speak. Love your G'day greeting and happen to also enjoy Aussie films seen over the years. Yes, it is a tad upsetting to find dozens of postings (seems like 100s, though they are all fascinating) have arrived in the intervening hours; I allocate a good 45 minutes to just reading all the new ones each time:-)
Must feed the cat who's been clawing my knee as a gentle hint while I keyboard this;
till later to you both,
Posted by Anne on November 12, 1996 at 08:51:33:
The scene between Jane and Lizzy in the bedroom is Davies' addition.
The scene is an addition but it is a way to get across Lizzy's sentiments - which are in the book just as her thoughts rather than spoken aloud.
Posted by Laura M on November 12, 1996 at 08:57:08:
E.M Forster's first novel. If you've seen A Room with a View, you'll understand it. Not one of my favorites flicks. Too depressing. But I am a huge Rupert Graves fan so I watched.
Everbody please see Maurice. Awesome, Awesome, Awesome.
Posted by Grace on November 12, 1996 at 09:00:19:
£ £ £ Does anyone agree with me that Susannah Harker (Jane) was just a bit to homely for her role.
£ £ _______
£ £ Maybe by present day standards, Susannah Harker is not considered prettier than Jennifer Ehle, but if you examine the art from the 19th century you will see that she is indeed what was considered classic beauty at the time.
£ £ - Candace
£ £ _______
£ Also, it probably should be noted that the way that Lizzie and Jane look is not at all the way that Jennifer and Susannah look in "real life" - check it out in the book "The Making".
£ Joan, too
: The casting of Jane in P&P1 was so perfect - the woman just exuded sweetness - that I had trouble at first with Susannah Harker in the role for P&P2. I've changed my mind now - guess she grew on me - and I think she was perfect in a more subtle way, and very lovely.
(P&P1 still has a place in my heart - I always feel I must defend it around here.)
Posted by Anne on November 12, 1996 at 09:05:49:
£ Thanks for the advice - your'e right of course. But just wondering: exactly when do you know when you've found out who you are?
£ Just wondering.
You have to like yourself. If you can't like yourself, how can anyone else. Find something to do that you enjoy. When I was growing up there were very few careers open for women and most of my friends went to college just to have fun and find husbands. I always wanted to be able to support myself. I joined the Navy for 4 years, which was an interesting experience. Have fun, do things, try things you think may be interesting (as long as not harmful) -- you probably never know when you totally 'find' yourself but along the way you'll find your likes and dislikes.
Really good book to read is "Are You The One For Me?" by
Barbara DeAngelis. Everyone I know that is reading it is going through some type of breakup and wishes they had had it when they were younger - before getting into the bad relationship.
Posted by Amy on November 12, 1996 at 09:11:21:
: E.M Forster's first novel. If you've seen A Room with a View, you'll understand it. Not one of my favorites flicks. Too depressing. But I am a huge Rupert Graves fan so I watched.
: Everbody please see Maurice. Awesome, Awesome, Awesome.
Laura we miss you. This is also a test.
Posted by Grace on November 12, 1996 at 09:17:31:
£ £ £ She and Emma can set up shop together in the life reengineering department
£ £ £ -----
£ I hope that she does run into someone who will appreicate her and bring out the best in her.
£ £ £ - K
£ £ £ £ ____
. He would have to be strong enough to put up with her and put her in her place as necessary, though, and she just might enjoy being stood up to. At least I can't see her ending up with a bully who would push her around. This would indeed be a sad fate.
£ £ : Janet
£ £ ___
£ Do you think maybe Miss B would do well with a Rhett Butler? I wonder.
£ Yes, Charlotte would make a good talent-guest coordinator/agent...Any other ideas?
£ - K
: Why don't we trot out Tom Bertram from Mansfield Park for poor Caroline? He's flawed enough, yet socially acceptable. Might be a fun match.
(I didn't like Caroline's fate in Barrett's book.)
Posted by France on November 12, 1996 at 09:22:16:
£ Though the swim did not happen in the novel, it was quite a clever device for creating a metaphor for Darcy's change of personality - his rebirth as the tolerant, loving, broad-minded and philanthropic dude who could finally be accepted by the woman of his choice. He dives in a tormented soul, and emerges from the amniotic waters a new man. Who agrees? And who would like to add even more raptures on Colin Firth in wet clothes?
*** Indeed! As in Conrad's "The Secret Sharer" (hey, we'd all better get back into reading Conrad before NOSTROMO airs on PBS), Jungian archetypal water symbols, and even obsessive-compulsive handwashing ritual, immersion in water depicts many levels of meaning. Total immersion: whether a character has chosen it or fallen in, the sea/pond swim can represent a "sea-change" for the character, a rebirth of sorts into another side of the self, and thus the plot can take a new direction (as it did when a moment after the pond swim, Darcy meets Elizabeth and the new, sweet phase begins. Even the leisurely bath scene has Darcy, in and out of the water, given moments of introspection where he can meditate on Miss Eliza Bennet, new "intruder" into his thoughts and emotions. Partial immersion: remember the washing scenes? for Darcy, facewashing, and Jane, handwashing. Yes, cleanliness is a virtue and necessity, but if you're a scriptwriter adding all these scenes to JA's work anyway, they may also imply the characters' need to get a fresh start, feel they've "finished with" some phase or problem, so they can "get on with their lives"...(or at least feel momentarily comforted by the ritual, while awaiting further developments).
As to further comments on CF, it would be safe to say that eyes find it hard to focus on Lizzie in the scene, even when the camera shows a close-up of her face as he's walking way in the distance on the right side of the screen! The pacing of the pond scene and Darcy rushing down the staircase buttoning his jacket with a lover's frantic looking around and then striding (nearly racing) towards Lizzie at the carriage is perfectly directed and acted!
Posted by Another Anne on November 12, 1996 at 09:47:11:
£ More than the warmth of rebirth, though, I see it as a chilling or solidification of resolve.
£ - K
But couldn't he have been resolved to learn to live without her? To try unsuccessfully to get her out of his system? Whether it was what JA intended one to think, the fencing scene definitely gave me that impression. He had certainly learnt humility from her rejection. And then meeting her after his swim, it was as if the fates had decided for him.
Posted by Anne other (was Another Anne) on November 12, 1996 at 09:52:18:
£ Won't Lizzy now be Mrs Fitzwilliam Darcy?
Posted by Amy on November 12, 1996 at 09:53:38:
£ £ £ Come on Janet. Don't tease about my asking you to edit.
£ £ Amy, please forgive me! I was not teasing, honestly. I hope you believe me to be sincere. I was serious that my post really was horrendously long and that you may not appreciate lengthy posts.
Oh, Janet. Now I feel bad, like I've made too big a deal of this. Let me say:
1) The ballet class was darling. I made a point to watch. I so wish I had a little girl sometimes. Only two boys -- 7 and 12
2) Long posts are great! It's just quoting long posts that can get wasteful and a little tiresome
] sometimes I'm not sure when or how much to snip, lest someone's original topic be obliterated, ne'er to be seen again.
I know. With so much traffic now, orignal posts don't last very long. What to do? Summarize? I am open to ideas.
Posted by Grace on November 12, 1996 at 09:56:35:
£ >>>most happy partnership. He is an engineer for one of the car companies (What else? We're in Detroit, after all.)
£ I must ask you to review a character in my novel who is a car engineer in Detroit.
£ Anybody else writing a novel?
£ >>> He is very quiet, reserved.
£ £ I think it best that we not let him know the kinds of dialogue his wife sometimes gets into here; he would not be proud.
£ I am glad you know how to live with each other. I am pretty much over my bitter period from a 14-year marriage that ended two years ago but I still have some venom to spew. I would not want to pollute this nice environment iwth it. Short version is I could not tolerate my ex being ashamed of my behavior when I was having the time of my life and entirely into something that moved me and I cared about and I related to and connected with.
: Amy, I wouldn't want to leave you with the impression that my husband might really be upset about my participation here. That's certainly not the case.
I know how difficult it must be to live with someone who is not supportive of your efforts, passions. I also know the valor it takes to get through any divorce.
By the way, you are not spewing venom with the above message - but if you ever feel the need, go ahead. It's good for the soul. We are the perfect audience because we could never think ill of you.
I recently said something about the dangers of putting all of us 'women of an age' together. I was thinking then of how bawdy and funny we would all be, but I think we would also have much to share that is not so funny about the process of arriving at this point in our lives.
Posted by Amy on November 12, 1996 at 09:58:45:
I like it
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