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Posted by Janet on November 11, 1996 at 20:21:09:
Dear Donna: (Repeat of another post above) Tune in tomorrow morning Tuesday to Live! With Regis and Kathie Lee on ABC (Channel 7 east coast) at 9:00am EST. Precious 3 year old girls in pink tutus, pony tails, toes, tap!
: Janet (Shameless)
P.S. More Shamelessness: My Christina has brown hair in a pony tail with a pink bow, dressed in all pink and a pink skirt with silver glitter. Her tights were a little large so I suggested that she pull them up. Instead she insisted on pulling them DOWN to create the slouch look in tights with wrinkled ankles. Cute. Who knows, she may not even be visible.
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Posted by Joan, too on November 11, 1996 at 20:23:54:
£ £ Such gloats are short-lived, I'm afraid, and I thought I might enjoy it while possible for soon some 20-yr-old will come 'round to give it back to me. My son already comments on my fading hair. My daughter teases me that I cannot bend quite as I used to. It will only get worse. :-(
£ £ Eric
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£ When my older sister turned 30, I sent her a B-day card which read: You're 30, well I'll be....younger than you for the rest of our lives!!
£ Now I'm pushing 30. Ack!
£ Ann
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Not nececssarily - when my mother got as old as she decided that she wanted to be, she started counting backwards on her birthdays and for many years she has now been younger than all of her children. [grin]
Joan, too
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Posted by Janet on November 11, 1996 at 20:24:51:
The only way to truly know something is to analyze it to death. It's the experimental process! Exploration is a good thing, as Martha Stewart would say. - K
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£ £ Now that's an interesting introduction, Kali. I know you did not mean to compare them, but what two people would be further apart than JA and Martha Stewart? I can almost see how she would describe her as a character in one of her novels, can you? Come on, let's hear it. Parodies can be fun, too.
£ £ : Janet
£ £ P.S. I'm sorry I haven't really responded to your lengthy post. As usual, I agree with you and you make a very good stand for JA's ability to enliven her characters with believable personalities of their own. They almost make their own statements as they make their own way through the story. It is fun to read more into it once in awhile, and by the sign of this BB once is not enough and the list keeps growing.
£ £ _________
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£ Janet,
£ Glad you're back! Don't worry about not responding to the post - you're not required to! ; ) But I'm glad you did.
£ And yes, going deeper becomes necessary (and fun!) as we begin to run out of stuff to talk about. Speaking of which, your Martha Stewart character sounds intriguing. How do you see her? As whom, doing what?
£ - K
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Dear Kali, thank you for your kind answer to the above. I must preface my response with notice of a previous post concerning your compassion for Miss B. In light of our mutual consideration for Miss B, perhaps we could portray Martha as a (much) more detail-oriented variation of her. Because of our ability to empathize (even with the likes of Miss B), we should not appear to be ruthless in our parody, as we know that JA was not so. As you said so well, she merely described her characters realistically without interjecting her own personal judgement. She left it for us to decide who to admire. At the same time, she left little doubt about how WE would feel about Darcy. Anyway, please don't judge me for being so ruthless or insulting as to define our character as being herself ruthless, contriving and vying for attention by expounding upon the infinite details so imperceptible to the common (read uncultivated) masses. I feel a trifle uneasy about doing this, as I have met her and she lives not far from me, so I hope I don't offend anyone. (I also hope this can't be pulled up through a net search or I'm in trouble, so I'll use "Miss M" as a code name.)
Our scene opens with the usual Bingley group at the card table at Netherfield, discussing the merits of accomplished women. Miss B has just described herself as one of Darcy's chosen few, as she has the advantage to "possess a certain something in her air and manner of walking, the tone of her voice, her address and expressions." Miss M, ever one to outdo (read overdo), stands over the ensemble and points out that an accomplished woman must also possess that knack for observing the finer things in life. She must be able to analyze and dissect these things in ultimate detail, and to push the envelope in pursuing their infinite possibilties. The extension of this is to then be able to maximize one's ability to profit from that appreciation, examination and dissection. By so doing, one will be able to educate the public at large and to convey to them the importance of this process, and impress upon them the meaningless and futility of a life lacking in this activity. It is not enough to merely live; one must go one or two or 10,000 steps further to recreate every part and parcel of one's life and all the objects and elements within it, and to impart a sense of one's own image onto everything. It is sort of a religious experience, you know, to recreate one's own image of life's finer things, to put one's stamp on them, to bring that stamp to the masses and then to take it to the bank.
To ensure that all in the party understand her meaning, our dear Miss M notes the presence of candles nearby. Never one to miss an opportunity to expound, she seizes this chance to employ them as an example of how one can truly fulfill oneself by (hopelessly, uselessly) REcreating (smaller) things in life. She proceeds to describe the art of creating one's own personal wax candles. (I saw her do something like this on the Today show once - it was hysterical!) One can make one's own wax which is infinitely superior to any other beeswax (God forbid) or those made from a (gasp!) mold. In this way one can form the wax into any shape one fancies, and thereby bestow upon the candle one's very own personal character to burn through the cold lonely wintry night. (There will doubtless be many such nights, spent all alone, because no one will want to have anything to do with someone possessing such an obsessive compulsive, bossy, know-it-all nature). You may impart your own scent to these candles, to allow your own personal aroma to filter through the room as they burn out other store-bought candles to shame and envy. One can also add one's own personal colorization and introduce custom metallic finishes. Those of you who (truly have nothing better to do) strive to create an elegant piece de resistance bespeaking one's higher station in life, may opt to encase each candle in an intricate pattern of layered gold leaf which (you guessed it!) you can make yourself. First you melt down all your jewelry and, quickly before it cools, flatten it evenly with a rolling pin and parchment paper to create a paper-thin foil, then emboss it with your own monogram or family crest engraved on a pinky ring (be careful not to toss it into the melting pot.)
This, too, you can make yourself, but that process is described more fully (it IS possible!) in the special holiday edition of my personal magazine, "(Get a) Life". For those of you devoted to expressing more discerning tastes, I have included in even greater detail a variety of (endless and painstaking) ideas for creating special homemade gift wraps of pressed paper (made from your own trees so as not to further endanger the rainforest) and foil (another use for your jewelry and pinky ring), ribbons and bows to decorate your own holiday gift candles - in my special gift publication of "Light Up Your Life" which is included in my ever-growing series of books appropriately entitled "You, Too, Can Do." The book is in itself the perfect gift to accompany your personalized candles, and in its giving you will have the pleasure to bestow the secrets of their creation and allow the credit (and proceeds) to rightfully go to me. I am convinced that anyone, even you, and everyone, all of you - are capable of becoming truly accomplished women, if only you have the patience and fortitude to pursue my way of doing things. My complete collection of books, monthly publications and special editions will help to guide you on your path to discovery which will lead you to crave more of my products and tools which are specifically designed to satisfy the most discerning obsessions and compulsions. These urges, by their very nature, will "throw you in the way" of more and more incessant cravings. (Happily for me) this is an addiction which only I can satisfy.
At this moment Lizzie and Darcy excused themselves to another room to discuss the perils of over-performing to strangers, to which even Darcy laughed with Lizzie over this fault. Louisa and Miss Bingley had already escaped the room, rolling their eyes and ROFLOL, critiquing Miss M's over-indulgence and compulsion to command attention as "a sort of self-sufficiency without fashion." Mr. Hurst awoke with a start and after his cursory "I agree! Damned tedious waste of an evening!" he realized that Miss M was still on a roll, so he dashed out of the room with a belch. Even the ever-polite Mr. Bingley finally tired of smiling and nodding and sat there with his face to the fireplace, stunned in disbelief at this callous self-display and pining for his selfless and unassuming Jane. Miss M was not aware that she had succeeded in boring everyone to death, but she felt the slightest twitch of embarassment for having rambled on without realizing that she had lost her audience, as if the camera had convened for a commercial. This was a new feeling which she had not experienced before, so she decided it worthy of exploration. After all, life is filled with adventures just waiting to be examined, and one must "not miss any opportunity to enjoy oneself."
I would trash this stupid thing if I hadn't wasted so much time on it. But there it is. I have truly succeeded in humiliating (myself).
: Janet
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Posted by Janet on November 11, 1996 at 20:29:28:
(Snip)
£ : The double wedding also has people in attendance who wish to be anywhere else, most notably Miss Bingley who is most forlorn indeed, and Mr. Collins who looks as if he may be wondering if he will have a position when he returns to Hunsford!
(Snip)
£ : Cheryl
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£ I feel very sorry indeed for Miss Bingley. Without sounding too Janey, I must say that I can empathize with her situation. She tried so hard to ingratiate herself to Mr. Darcy, but he ignores her, and then marries someone else. True, she is a snob and rather harsh on others, but I'm sure she's not the worthless creature we'd all like to think she is.
£ She has been flatly rejected by a worthy man. How must that feel?
£ - K
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Concerning your compassion for Miss B, I can commisserate with your feelings and hers. Sometimes you can see how devastated she is that Darcy won't pay her the slightest notice despite her earnest efforts to capture his attention. On a few instances you can see through her veneer and feel her anguish. At Netherfield as she and Lizzie stride about to test (by Miss B's design) who captures Darcy's interest, Lizzie and Darcy discuss his faults and she looks positively crushed that Darcy opts for Lizzie's attention instead of (never) accepting hers. She immediately dashes to the piano to change the mood.
: Janet
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Posted by Joan, too on November 11, 1996 at 20:38:57:
£ If Miss De Bourgh married, no matter whom, I'd be worried doubtful of her ability to carry a child to term and survive the process. Obstetrics in 1812 was primitive (to be polite).
£ Anna
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Or perhaps she would have made the choice which is attributed to Jane Austen in the book "Jane Austen the Woman - Some Biographical Insights" in which it is said of JA "She had also put all ideas of marriage behind her, having made the choice, as one writer has aptly described it, between the overuse of the reproductive organs and genteel celibacy."
Joan, too
Posted by Candace on November 11, 1996 at 20:51:13:
£ £ I would love to have the sheet music. Piano summaries are the entire background music that we hear all put together for each stage in the video. Like a musical recap.
£ £ Donna,
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£ They are supposed to be, but the summaries on the CD weren't - they were condensed versions. :-(
£ Joan, too
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Since you are all talking of the music, I thought that you might appreciate my husband's comment on the little ditty that is played whenever Mr. Collins shows up. "I find it interesting that the Bassoon represents the Baffoon!"
- Candace
Posted by Kali on November 11, 1996 at 20:52:11:
£ £ I posed this question in a follow up, but I don't think it came out right. After Darcy calls her "dearest,lovliest, Elizabeth, he seems to lean toward her as if he was going to kiss her. Do anyone else think so?
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£ I thought so too, but I think it would have been improper (?). Too bad...
£ Marsha
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Oh, but you know he wanted to. He probably had to stop himself before he went too far. What torture...! If _I_ were Elizabeth, I would have just grabbed him and propriety be damned (Okay, now I'm getting a little too Bronte...)!
- K %^}
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Posted by Inko on November 11, 1996 at 20:58:17:
£ Firth is not much if any taller than Bonham-Carter. Did the director do something to make us think he is taller -- is is it just Firth's presence?
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Thanks for all your explanations about being tall. I'd forgotten about the other quotes, and I think you're right.
I read somewhere that Firth is 6'1" and I think he is at least an inch or two taller than Bonham-Carter. Also, the dark long trousers make him look taller, especially at Pemberley.
Inko
Posted by Kali on November 11, 1996 at 20:59:17:
£ (Snip)
£ £ : The double wedding also has people in attendance who wish to be anywhere else, most notably Miss Bingley who is most forlorn indeed, and Mr. Collins who looks as if he may be wondering if he will have a position when he returns to Hunsford!
£ (Snip)
£ £ : Cheryl
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£ £ I feel very sorry indeed for Miss Bingley. Without sounding too Janey, I must say that I can empathize with her situation. She tried so hard to ingratiate herself to Mr. Darcy, but he ignores her, and then marries someone else. True, she is a snob and rather harsh on others, but I'm sure she's not the worthless creature we'd all like to think she is.
£ £ She has been flatly rejected by a worthy man. How must that feel?
£ £ - K
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£ Concerning your compassion for Miss B, I can commisserate with your feelings and hers. Sometimes you can see how devastated she is that Darcy won't pay her the slightest notice despite her earnest efforts to capture his attention. On a few instances you can see through her veneer and feel her anguish. At Netherfield as she and Lizzie stride about to test (by Miss B's design) who captures Darcy's interest, Lizzie and Darcy discuss his faults and she looks positively crushed that Darcy opts for Lizzie's attention instead of (never) accepting hers. She immediately dashes to the piano to change the mood.
£ : Janet
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Ouch, Janet. That is depressing indeed. I wonder how Miss Bingley ended up? I imagine she either died an old maid or went out golddigging elsewhere.
Kali
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Posted by Joan, too on November 11, 1996 at 21:02:01:
£ By the way, those are pretty nice horses they used!
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£ I liked all the horses too, but particularly the one Darcy was riding at Rosings - that one had a really "aristocratic" air just right for Rosings!
£ Inko
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According to the book "The Making of P&P" this was done intentionally. The "better" (richer) people had the better horses.
Joan, too
(BTW, There is another messed up link here - this one links to a message on a different topic in a different thread:
Re: R&V 6 - Good Horseman - Nice Horses Marsha 18:17:09 11/11/96 (0) )
Posted by Candace on November 11, 1996 at 21:04:13:
£ £ £ Such gloats are short-lived, I'm afraid, and I thought I might enjoy it while possible for soon some 20-yr-old will come 'round to give it back to me. My son already comments on my fading hair. My daughter teases me that I cannot bend quite as I used to. It will only get worse. :-(
£ £ £ Eric
£ £
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£ £ When my older sister turned 30, I sent her a B-day card which read: You're 30, well I'll be....younger than you for the rest of our lives!!
£ £ Now I'm pushing 30. Ack!
£ £ Ann
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£ Not nececssarily - when my mother got as old as she decided that she wanted to be, she started counting backwards on her birthdays and for many years she has now been younger than all of her children. [grin]
£ Joan, too
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Good trick -- but what I did was that on my 40th birthday, I purchased myself NOT a mini-van but a mustang convertable. It is truly magic because when I get in it, I am 20 years younger and 20 pounds lighter!
- Candace
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Posted by Joan, too on November 11, 1996 at 21:07:23:
£ I am just trying it. Colons don't seem to show up very well. I sometimes have trouble distinguishing quoted material from the response. The _______ helps, I think. The symbol? I don't know. Does it show up on everybody's browser as a pound sterling sign? I can change it. HC likes the : better or suggested a |. Ever think of HC as a wizard?
£ Amy
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I find the £ much easier to spot - but I fear that not everyone will have it in the font they are using. The colon is very difficult to scan for, especially since it is often used for it's punctuation purpose by those posting. Please don't go back to the colon!
Joan, too
Posted by Anne on November 11, 1996 at 21:07:34:
It seemed to me unlikely that Mrs Bennet would not be told until the next day, and in her discussion with Mr B in his library, Lizzy refers to what they thought 'only a few hours ago", yet we've had a bed-time scene between Lizzy and Jane between the letter and the 2 latter scenes. At a later viewing, I noticed that Jane and Lizzy are both wearing the same dresses for what appears to be 2 days in a row.
£ Now I realise that the bed-room scene was at the end of an episode, I wonder if it was originally intended (script and filming) to have the letter, the scene with Mrs B and the library scene between Mr B and Lizzy followed by the bed-room scene, and it was decided to switch them because it works better for the episode break-up this way?
£ Any opinions?
£ Anna
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I wondered at this too. I supposed that they had told Mrs. B about the letter earlier and she was still going on about it. Or, they may have waited until Mr. B had sent the reply before telling her. It is an interesting sequence of events.
Anne
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Posted by Kali on November 11, 1996 at 21:10:41:
£ The only way to truly know something is to analyze it to death. It's the experimental process! Exploration is a good thing, as Martha Stewart would say. - K
£ £ £
£ £ £ __________
£ £ £ Now that's an interesting introduction, Kali. I know you did not mean to compare them, but what two people would be further apart than JA and Martha Stewart? I can almost see how she would describe her as a character in one of her novels, can you? Come on, let's hear it. Parodies can be fun, too.
£ £ £ : Janet
£ £ £ P.S. I'm sorry I haven't really responded to your lengthy post. As usual, I agree with you and you make a very good stand for JA's ability to enliven her characters with believable personalities of their own. They almost make their own statements as they make their own way through the story. It is fun to read more into it once in awhile, and by the sign of this BB once is not enough and the list keeps growing.
£ £ £ _________
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£ £ Janet,
£ £ Glad you're back! Don't worry about not responding to the post - you're not required to! ; ) But I'm glad you did.
£ £ And yes, going deeper becomes necessary (and fun!) as we begin to run out of stuff to talk about. Speaking of which, your Martha Stewart character sounds intriguing. How do you see her? As whom, doing what?
£ £ - K
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£ Dear Kali, thank you for your kind answer to the above. I must preface my response with notice of a previous post concerning your compassion for Miss B. In light of our mutual consideration for Miss B, perhaps we could portray Martha as a (much) more detail-oriented variation of her. Because of our ability to empathize (even with the likes of Miss B), we should not appear to be ruthless in our parody, as we know that JA was not so. As you said so well, she merely described her characters realistically without interjecting her own personal judgement. She left it for us to decide who to admire. At the same time, she left little doubt about how WE would feel about Darcy. Anyway, please don't judge me for being so ruthless or insulting as to define our character as being herself ruthless, contriving and vying for attention by expounding upon the infinite details so imperceptible to the common (read uncultivated) masses. I feel a trifle uneasy about doing this, as I have met her and she lives not far from me, so I hope I don't offend anyone. (I also hope this can't be pulled up through a net search or I'm in trouble, so I'll use "Miss M" as a code name.)
£ Our scene opens with the usual Bingley group at the card table at Netherfield, discussing the merits of accomplished women. Miss B has just described herself as one of Darcy's chosen few, as she has the advantage to "possess a certain something in her air and manner of walking, the tone of her voice, her address and expressions." Miss M, ever one to outdo (read overdo), stands over the ensemble and points out that an accomplished woman must also possess that knack for observing the finer things in life. She must be able to analyze and dissect these things in ultimate detail, and to push the envelope in pursuing their infinite possibilties. The extension of this is to then be able to maximize one's ability to profit from that appreciation, examination and dissection. By so doing, one will be able to educate the public at large and to convey to them the importance of this process, and impress upon them the meaningless and futility of a life lacking in this activity. It is not enough to merely live; one must go one or two or 10,000 steps further to recreate every part and parcel of one's life and all the objects and elements within it, and to impart a sense of one's own image onto everything. It is sort of a religious experience, you know, to recreate one's own image of life's finer things, to put one's stamp on them, to bring that stamp to the masses and then to take it to the bank.
£ To ensure that all in the party understand her meaning, our dear Miss M notes the presence of candles nearby. Never one to miss an opportunity to expound, she seizes this chance to employ them as an example of how one can truly fulfill oneself by (hopelessly, uselessly) REcreating (smaller) things in life. She proceeds to describe the art of creating one's own personal wax candles. (I saw her do something like this on the Today show once - it was hysterical!) One can make one's own wax which is infinitely superior to any other beeswax (God forbid) or those made from a (gasp!) mold. In this way one can form the wax into any shape one fancies, and thereby bestow upon the candle one's very own personal character to burn through the cold lonely wintry night. (There will doubtless be many such nights, spent all alone, because no one will want to have anything to do with someone possessing such an obsessive compulsive, bossy, know-it-all nature). You may impart your own scent to these candles, to allow your own personal aroma to filter through the room as they burn out other store-bought candles to shame and envy. One can also add one's own personal colorization and introduce custom metallic finishes. Those of you who (truly have nothing better to do) strive to create an elegant piece de resistance bespeaking one's higher station in life, may opt to encase each candle in an intricate pattern of layered gold leaf which (you guessed it!) you can make yourself. First you melt down all your jewelry and, quickly before it cools, flatten it evenly with a rolling pin and parchment paper to create a paper-thin foil, then emboss it with your own monogram or family crest engraved on a pinky ring (be careful not to toss it into the melting pot.)
£ This, too, you can make yourself, but that process is described more fully (it IS possible!) in the special holiday edition of my personal magazine, "(Get a) Life". For those of you devoted to expressing more discerning tastes, I have included in even greater detail a variety of (endless and painstaking) ideas for creating special homemade gift wraps of pressed paper (made from your own trees so as not to further endanger the rainforest) and foil (another use for your jewelry and pinky ring), ribbons and bows to decorate your own holiday gift candles - in my special gift publication of "Light Up Your Life" which is included in my ever-growing series of books appropriately entitled "You, Too, Can Do." The book is in itself the perfect gift to accompany your personalized candles, and in its giving you will have the pleasure to bestow the secrets of their creation and allow the credit (and proceeds) to rightfully go to me. I am convinced that anyone, even you, and everyone, all of you - are capable of becoming truly accomplished women, if only you have the patience and fortitude to pursue my way of doing things. My complete collection of books, monthly publications and special editions will help to guide you on your path to discovery which will lead you to crave more of my products and tools which are specifically designed to satisfy the most discerning obsessions and compulsions. These urges, by their very nature, will "throw you in the way" of more and more incessant cravings. (Happily for me) this is an addiction which only I can satisfy.
£ At this moment Lizzie and Darcy excused themselves to another room to discuss the perils of over-performing to strangers, to which even Darcy laughed with Lizzie over this fault. Louisa and Miss Bingley had already escaped the room, rolling their eyes and ROFLOL, critiquing Miss M's over-indulgence and compulsion to command attention as "a sort of self-sufficiency without fashion." Mr. Hurst awoke with a start and after his cursory "I agree! Damned tedious waste of an evening!" he realized that Miss M was still on a roll, so he dashed out of the room with a belch. Even the ever-polite Mr. Bingley finally tired of smiling and nodding and sat there with his face to the fireplace, stunned in disbelief at this callous self-display and pining for his selfless and unassuming Jane. Miss M was not aware that she had succeeded in boring everyone to death, but she felt the slightest twitch of embarassment for having rambled on without realizing that she had lost her audience, as if the camera had convened for a commercial. This was a new feeling which she had not experienced before, so she decided it worthy of exploration. After all, life is filled with adventures just waiting to be examined, and one must "not miss any opportunity to enjoy oneself."
£ I would trash this stupid thing if I hadn't wasted so much time on it. But there it is. I have truly succeeded in humiliating (myself).
£ : Janet
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Lord! Poor Miss M - she certainly makes Miss Bingley look like quite a catch.
Very clever. You were just waiting for the chance to pounce on Martha, were you not? Count me ROFLOL with everyone else, sans Bingley!
- K
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Posted by Anne on November 11, 1996 at 21:14:51:
£ I'm new here and I have a question. Would Darcy and Lizzie have a passionate wedding night? Everyone is always so polite and reserved. Is she still going to call him Mr. Darcy?
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I believe their wedding night would be extremely passionate. These are two passionate people who have been bottling it up for a long time. The reserve and politeness is a very public facade (though the facade crumbles at times).
I believe that she will call him Mr. Darcy in public (as most of the married people did) but we have been debating as to what she will call him in private (Darcy, Fitzwilliam, Fitz, ...).
Anne
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Posted by Joan, too on November 11, 1996 at 21:15:49:
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£ £ I was also thinking the other day what a disaster it would have been if Lizzie had accepted Darcy at the first proposal. It wouldn't have made for a happy marriage because Darcy would never have had to change.
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£ I don't know. While he might have remained more stiff and arrogant, I've always thought he was such a gentleman that if Lizzie had accepted him then, he likely would never have mentioned his unwillingness to marry beneath himself again. I'm also sure that he would not tolerate anyone criticising his choice or insulting his fiancee/then his wife by mentioning such things. It just might have taken Elizabeth some time to make him more polite when introduced to new people. I'm sure his treatment of her would have immediately become more tender once she had accepted him on that first proposal, but undoubtedly his opinion of himself certainly would not have gotten the soul searching it got when he was refused.
£ Rebecca(who typically has to leave town for a few days and returns to find a "new Rebecca" posting. I'll just call myself Rebecca1 as I was actually here first).
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But it's not just he who was unready for this match at this time - Lizzie was equally unready. I agree with Inko that the match would have been a disaster if she had accepted at that time. She would have been accepting for the "wrong" reason. Her only reason to accept him at that point would have been for his money, and she would have been going against her own determination to marry only for love. She would have continued in her mistaken "first impression" about his character, with her mind closed to any other possible interpretation of his behavior.
Joan, too
Posted by Angie on November 11, 1996 at 21:25:52:
Hi, I'm Angie from California, USA. And, I am 17 years old
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Posted by Joan, too on November 11, 1996 at 21:31:03:
£ £ Does anyone agree with me that Susannah Harker (Jane) was just a bit to homely for her role. I actually thought Jennifer was the more attractive of the two. Or would Susannah be beautiful in a classic, 18th century fashion? I also think that Bingley could have been more attractive.
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£ Maybe by present day standards, Susannah Harker is not considered prettier than Jennifer Ehle, but if you examine the art from the 19th century you will see that she is indeed what was considered classic beauty at the time. That is one of the reasons why I love this particular production so much. It looks real and will never appear to be out of date as say any of the period pieces done during the 1940's such as the first P&P.
£ - Candace
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Also, it probably should be noted that the way that Lizzie and Jane look is not at all the way that Jennifer and Susannah look in "real life" - check it out in the book "The Making".
Joan, too
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Posted by Inko on November 11, 1996 at 21:32:36:
£ Lydia really seems to have no idea of the danger she faced. She was on her way to being a prostitute
£ £ Rebecca
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£ You think? I'd imagine she would be more like Maria Bertram. Shunted off from nice society but provisioned for in some way by someone in the family.
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JA actually gives us a couple of alternatives for Lydia in Vol. III, Chapter VIII, when she says "To be sure it would have been more for the advantage of conversation, had Miss Lydia Bennett come upon the town; (engaged in prostitution or thievery) or, as the happiest alternative, been secluded from the world, in some distant farm house. (seclusion during the term of pregnancy).
Can you tell that my copy of P&P is constantly at hand right now?!
Inko
Posted by Anne on November 11, 1996 at 21:36:57:
£ You seem to make the assumption that those who regard Jennifer Ehle as the prettier of the two, do so because she is thinner! I think her face, eyes and smile (which may be due to the role and not due to the actress) are superior to Ms. Harker's. My belief that she is the more attractive has nothing to do with their respective weights.
£ Ann
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I always considered Susannah to be thinner than Jennifer - at least that's how it appeared to *me*while watching the show. In the book, Jane was supposed to be heavier:
Jane, who was not so light, nor so much in the habit of running as Elizabeth, soon lagged behind, while her sister, panting for breath, came up with him, and eagerly cried out, "Oh, Papa, what news?"
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