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Posted by Anne on November 10, 1996 at 15:47:50:
£ When the characters (Mary, Lizzy, Mrs. Hurst) played it was Carl Davis, but in the score (the background music) the pianoforte was performed by Melvyn Tan.
£ Ann
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Yes, that was the name I saw. Thank you for clearing that up for me. I was greatly confused as I know the information we impart here must be accurate.
Anne
Posted by Rebecca Davey on November 10, 1996 at 15:49:35:
I can't tell you how much I loved P&P! No other writer has touched my heart as much as Jane Austen. The BBC adaption was the most brillant series ever to be shown on television. The reason why I relate so much to P&P is because, I also, live in a society filled with pride and predujice. As I am only 22, I meet many Mr.Darcys and Mr.Bingley. The problem is that although I am attracted to Mr.Darcy's, I should be with Mr.Bingley's. I am looking for something in between (and no, I am not soliciting dates on the net.) What Elizabeth feels is the same feelings I feel in 1996. She and I are alike in so many ways I think that I am Elizabeth reincarnated. But who can blame me for liking a character like Mr. Darcy when he was played so wonderfully by Colin Firth. The heat between him and Jennifer Ehle literally jumped off the screen. What an absolute babe!
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Posted by Anne on November 10, 1996 at 15:51:01:
£ £ Youngster here - I'm 32
£ £ NYAH! NYAH!
£ £ Eric
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£ You know, Eric, gloating is unbecoming in a man of your occupation and station in life. ;-)
£ Cheryl
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Cheryl -
He'll grow out of it. Boyes do take longer to mature than girls.
Anne ;-)
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Posted by Inko on November 10, 1996 at 15:51:57:
It was her pride and prejudice as well as his insensitivity that caused the original outburst. It turned out that the method of the first proposal and her response was the best thing for all concerned as Darcy opened up to her in the letter causing her opinion to change and her comments caused him to re-evaluate himself and change.
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I agree with all the comments above. I loved the way Darcy's face lights up (use of reflectors?) just after Lizzie says "in fact, they're quite the opposite." That shows JA's description "Had Elizabeth been able to encounter his eye, she might have seen how well the expression of heart-felt delight, diffused over his face, became him."
I also wish Davies had left in more of that scene, especially where Darcy says "You showed me how insufficient were all my pretensions to please a woman worthy of being pleased." I'd also have liked to see the second walk, but I guess there's limit to every good thing.
I wondered about Darcy and Lizzie not looking at each other during the wedding. And ever since the first time I saw P&P2 I've wondered what or who it was that made Darcy laugh as he was getting into the carriage. My own thought has been that it was David Bamber (Mr. Collins) being more ridiculous than usual because it seems that Darcy's eyes are looking at him as they walk to the carriage and then he looks off to the camera side and away from Lizzie before he laughs. Just one of those vague thoughts we'll never have an answer for.
I was also thinking the other day what a disaster it would have been if Lizzie had accepted Darcy at the first proposal. It wouldn't have made for a happy marriage because Darcy would never have had to change.
Inko
Posted by Linda on November 10, 1996 at 16:09:22:
£ I live in Bethesda, Maryland (just outside D.C.) but grew up in England. The most I'll admit to is 50++ since I seem to be the "old lady" on this BB.
£ Inko
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Thanks for admitting to that much. I was beginning to feel ancient at 52. Isn't it wonderful that the love for JA and P&P2 seems to span the generations.
Linda
Posted by Kate on November 10, 1996 at 16:12:41:
£ : : : : I believe he was playing billiards. There are only three balls and I think the red ball is the one that's NOT meant to go into the pocket
£ : : : : Inko
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£ : : If billiards, then we might ask why there were pockets on the table at all.
£ : : Eric
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£ : There are several different games of billiards according to my encyclopedia, and these fall into one of 2 categories - pocket billiards and carom billiards. Carom billiards games are played on tables with no pockets. The one illustrated in the encyclopedia as "English billiards" shows a table slightly larger than the standard tables and having 6 pockets, and is played with 3 balls. While detailed explanations of the rules are not given, it states that players score by hitting the cue ball into both object balls, or by sinking one or more balls.
£ : Joan, too
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£ English billiards, eh? Interesting. Thanks for the info as I'd never seen a billiard table with pockets before.
£ Eric
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My father taught me "home style" billiards (on a table with pockets, almost certainly "English billiards") many years ago so I do not purport to be any kind of expert. The object of the game is to score points through various tactical moves eg using your white cue ball to hit the red then the other white or the other white then the red, or potting your cue ball off one of the other balls, etc. From memory I believe it is considered impolite to pot your opponents cue ball. I didn't think it was wrong to pot the red but it depends when it is returned to the table. If it is not returned until after you finish your turn (when you make a shot that does not score anything) then it would be a mistake as it makes it nearly impossible to score politely. I thought it was returned immediately.
Hope this is helpful.
Posted by Amy on November 10, 1996 at 16:18:21:
£ £ You know, Eric, gloating is unbecoming in a man of your occupation and station in life. ;-)
£ £ Cheryl
£ He'll grow out of it. Boyes do take longer to mature than girls.
£ Anne ;-)
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HC shall be greatly relieved you have chosen a new object for teasing.
Posted by Donna on November 10, 1996 at 16:21:20:
If anyone is interested there are pictures from Harper Bazarre that I have never seen before at:
Donna
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Posted by Donna on November 10, 1996 at 16:22:47:
£ If anyone is interested there are pictures from Harper Bazarre that I have never seen before at Friends of Firth under pics.
£ Donna
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Posted by Candace on November 10, 1996 at 16:27:48:
£ I can't tell you how much I loved P&P! No other writer has touched my heart as much as Jane Austen. The BBC adaption was the most brillant series ever to be shown on television. The reason why I relate so much to P&P is because, I also, live in a society filled with pride and predujice. As I am only 22, I meet many Mr.Darcys and Mr.Bingley. The problem is that although I am attracted to Mr.Darcy's, I should be with Mr.Bingley's. I am looking for something in between (and no, I am not soliciting dates on the net.) What Elizabeth feels is the same feelings I feel in 1996. She and I are alike in so many ways I think that I am Elizabeth reincarnated. But who can blame me for liking a character like Mr. Darcy when he was played so wonderfully by Colin Firth. The heat between him and Jennifer Ehle literally jumped off the screen. What an absolute babe!
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Twenty years ago, I too was looking for Mr. Darcy's (but they seemed to all be Mr. Wickham's in disguise!) I ended up with a Mr. Bingley and have been married for fifteen years, happier beyond my wildest dreams. You can't always get what you want ... but take care to get what you need.
- Candace
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Posted by Candace on November 10, 1996 at 16:30:00:
£ I've had troubles deleting the original post too - I hope that following up Donna's message works!
£ I'm turning 20 this Thursday.
£ Saman
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Ah, to be 20 again!!! Have a really great Birthday!!!
- Candace
Posted by Candace on November 10, 1996 at 16:35:55:
: Well, is there anyone who has watched this second proposal without immediately rewinding and watching it again? I love every minute of it and the only fault I can find with it is one that has been voiced many times here: it is too short. I long for the added dialogue that Jane gave us in the book. Very satisfying, indeed.
: I like how Lizzy and Darcy can hardly look at each other. They sneak glances here and there, but never look each other full in the face and at the same time until the "Dearest, lovliest Elizabeth" line, and then what love and longing is in that gaze! It is almost as if they are each afraid to look at the other, lest it break the spell of the moment. *sigh*
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Oh, and also as they walk, just barely brushing against each others arms. I find this very sexy! Much more so than any overt nudisim that is currently in most films.
- Candace
Posted by Claudia on November 10, 1996 at 16:45:29:
Will someone please tell me if I'm actually posting? I've been lurking for weeks and finally upgraded aol to 3.0 so maybe now I actually can.Haven't seen anything about Darcy's walk. It is so assertive. Especially when he was walking through the gallery to the music room (or was it the drawing-room?) after Lizzy and the Gardiners had just left Pemberely. It seems to really personify him.Amy, I want to tahnk you so much for doing this. I've enjoyed so much and I'm a total addict. Should we maybe start a 12 Step program for our addiction?
Posted by kathleen on November 10, 1996 at 16:57:44:
£ I live in Bethesda, Maryland (just outside D.C.) but grew up in England. The most I'll admit to is 50++ since I seem to be the "old lady" on this BB.
£ Inko
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Another Maryland-er! I am in Frostburg -- a place quite westward (in MD) it seems. I get to DC frequently to visit friends; I lived there for 9 years before changing careers.
And, I don't think that you are "old." In your postings you appear as young as most of the rest of us! (Of course I might be prejudiced, since I am nearly 48.)
Yours, etc.
kathleen
Posted by Anna on November 10, 1996 at 17:01:01:
I can't image wanting to be married at 15. That was the last thing on my mind at 15.
£ £ What were we all thinking of at age 15.
£ £ Donna
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At age 15 I was much more concerned with passing my exams so as to have options in the future - certainly marriage was the very last thing on my mind.
£ Inko
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Likewise, but in 1812 the only options open to a female of the gentry who wasn't rich seem to have been marriage, governessing or dependant relative. Marriage, despite all the possible drawbacks was the most attactive career for most of these women.
Anna
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Posted by Anna on November 10, 1996 at 17:03:38:
Anna Australia - Newcastle 39
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Posted by Rebecca Davey on November 10, 1996 at 17:07:46:
: Having just seen "Emma" I was wondering in how many other Jane Austen novels (films and TV series)
: is the Pianoforte given as a gift? I can think of at least four instances.
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Posted by Anna on November 10, 1996 at 17:09:13:
£ £ Hi!
£ £ I agree, that Mary IS a disagreeable creature, but I can't help it feeling she's poor, nobady (exsept Ser Willaim) shows her any sign of sympaty (not sure about the spelling), Jane and Lizzy are Mr. Bennet's favorite daughters, and Kitty and Lydia, Mrs. Bennet's favorite. so it happends to be, that Mary is stuck in the middle, everyone tierd of her lessons and hates her, and I feel sorry for her. Any other opinions?
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£ I don't think everyone hates Mary. I think that they get tired of her attitude. It is almost as if Mary is going to the opposite extreme of Kitty and Lydia - trying to be studious and serious. She doesn't tempor this with the good-naturedness of Lizzy or Jane. Lydia and her mother are the two that have the least patience for Mary but then they are the two most unlike her -- little if no brains in their heads.
£ Anne
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I also feel sorry for Mary, although I wouldn't want ot spend much time with her. We're told by Jane Austen that she is the least pretty of the sisters so tries to compensate with accomplishments. Unfortunately she's not really all that clever or skilled, so even that misfires and she comes across as earnest at best, sanctimonious at worst. As Ayelet says, she is also not favoured by either of her parents or any of her sisters, and thus is left out of both 'camps' in her family.
Anna
Posted by Cheryl on November 10, 1996 at 17:09:35:
£ I can't image wanting to be married at 15. That was the last thing on my mind at 15.
£ £ £ What were we all thinking of at age 15.
£ £ £ Donna
At 15 I know that my hormones were raging every bit as much as Lydia's. Thankfully, I managed to avoid falling into disgrace with my Wickham!
Cheryl
Posted by Donna on November 10, 1996 at 17:09:36:
; I have always loved this scene, not only because of the way Lady C and Lizzie both behave but because it also shows Lizzie's quickness. She doesn't lie when Lady C asks if her nephew had made her an offer and she says "Your Ladyship has declared it to be impossible." That's why I was so annoyed with P&P0 when they changed the entire meaning of Lady C's visit.
£ Inko
What I don't understand if Mr.Darcy really cared at all about Lady C. wishes,because he never seemed intimated by her at all.He only visited her once a year out of some sense of duty.Lady C. had no hold on him financially that was a lie. It gave the viewer the wrong impression. I don't think I would have read the book if it was for that version{P&P}first.
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