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Posted by kathleen on November 10, 1996 at 13:25:26:
£ SCENE: Hunting Party at Netherfield
£ Roger: What are those men doing?
£ Father: Hunting.
£ Roger: Are they shooting peasants?
£ After I got done laughing, I explained that shooting peasants went out of style (except in Russia, China and a few other places) about fifty years before the events of this movie. Pheasant, however, are still shot.
How wonderful. I am always amazed at how children hear/interpret many descriptions.
After I became an Austen addict (34 years ago), I managed to get my mother to read most of the novels. Now we discuss them over the phone. (She recently lost her eyesight, so I have loaned her my audiotapes -- all the novels except NA. I am planning to view S&S w/ her over Christmas; I will explain the non-dialogue portions, and I hope she will enjoy it.)
Posted by Donna on November 10, 1996 at 13:37:45:
I tried to delete the extra long post it wouldn't work. I just turned 43 on September 21st.
Posted by Grace on November 10, 1996 at 13:46:37:
He expressed interest in this board in general - and wondered if I had yet worked up the nerve to post anything.
: : Grace
: Yes, you have been so quiet, so shy and retiring, Grace. Please speak up so that we may get to know you. ;-)
: I promise I will exert myself much more in the future.
Posted by Donna on November 10, 1996 at 14:24:22:
: I scarcely ever catch her show, but I do see her and she is really very nice. Did you mean Kathie Lee or her mother loves P&P? We have never discussed it but I'll ask her about it now, thanks to you, Donna. It's not exactly the kind of thing you ask people about, as you never know if they're even going to know what you're talking about. If you watch her show, please tune in next week. She'll tell me when the tape will air so I'll let you know. It should be very sweet as in pink as in tutus. Wait till you see Regis in a pink tutu, too. Thanks, Donna.
: : Janet_________
Kathie Lee was telling Regis why she was so tired. How her mother made her stay up and watch it until her VCR ate the tape. I am sure she'll know what your talking about.
I get a big kick out of her and Regis their a great team.
P.S.My daughter took ballet and tap and loved being on stage,now she wants to be on Rosie.
Posted by Saman on November 10, 1996 at 14:28:41:
I've had troubles deleting the original post too - I hope that following up Donna's message works!
I'm turning 20 this Thursday.
Posted by Inko on November 10, 1996 at 14:30:14:
£ I will preface this comment with a disclaimer that I do not ride and therefore may be way off base.
£ However, when Wickham is riding around and the sisters are talking, Lydia is commenting on the fact that 'her husband' is such a fine horseman and that Col. Foster said that he had as good a seat as anyone in the regiment. About that time Wickham rides by the girls -- does he look like a fine horseman to those of you in the know? He is leaning back and 'rolling' along which looks wrong to me - but I could be mistaken.
I used to ride as a teenager, so know a little about it, and I think you're absolutely right, Anne. Wickham might be a tolerable rider (i.e., he doesn't fall off) but he doesn't seem to sit on the horse particularly well. I think this illustrates what Lydia says in the book, "He was her dear Wickham on every occasion; no one was to be put in competition with him. He did every thing best in the world ..."
On the subject of riding, I read in The Making of P&P that some of the actors had to learn to ride. I think that must have been Crispin Bonham-Carter who looked like he was hanging on for dear life in the opening scenes cantering across the field, and was bouncing around like a sack of potatoes while trotting to Longbourn in Tape 6.
Posted by Inko on November 10, 1996 at 14:42:12:
£ circumstances and everyone should be happy. Of course, she never knew (or understood) that Wickham had no intention of marrying her.
£ £ Anne
£ When she is married to him for a few years, maybe then she'll get it. Twis a pity. I am sure he will not be as faithful. For her to be so competive with Jane and Lizzie about marriage at her age. She had never learnt otherwise. I can't image wanting to be married at 15. That was the last thing on my mind at 15.
£ What were we all thinking of at age 15.
I think Lydia's question on entering the church "where is everyone" says it all; she just doesn't understand anything of what she's done or who she's about the marry. I like the funeral and shotgun analogy. As to Wickham's remaining faithful, JA says that " Lydia was occasionally a visitor there (at Pemberley) when her husband was gone to enjoy himself in London or Bath."
At age 15 I was much more concerned with passing my exams so as to have options in the future - certainly marriage was the very last thing on my mind.
Posted by Phyllis on November 10, 1996 at 14:42:29:
: Well, is there anyone who has watched this second proposal without immediately rewinding and watching it again? I love every minute of it and the only fault I can find with it is one that has been voiced many times here: it is too short. I long for the added dialogue that Jane gave us in the book. Very satisfying, indeed.
: I like how Lizzy and Darcy can hardly look at each other. They sneak glances here and there, but never look each other full in the face and at the same time until the "Dearest, lovliest Elizabeth" line, and then what love and longing is in that gaze! It is almost as if they are each afraid to look at the other, lest it break the spell of the moment. *sigh*
_I always wished that Davies had left out several other scenes, i.e., Mr. Collin's visit to "condole"(a letter sent in the novel)_, the nattering conversation between Mrs. Bennet and her sister and, in turn, left in the "second walk" after the second proposal in which Darcy and Elizabeth really settle all the confussion and admit to their assorted missteps as well as their love. In those conversations, I always felft that they were truly atuned to each other. I would have liked to have seen that in the film. Oh well, it is possible to imagine those scenes in your mind, I guess, but not as wonderful. Phyllis
Posted by Hilary on November 10, 1996 at 14:46:27:
: Sundowners in Johannesburg?
Anne, I was born and spent my first seven years in S.Af. I still have extended family there. We lived in Pretoria. I went back for short visits in 1965 and 1984.
Posted by Hilary on November 10, 1996 at 14:59:22:
: I'm 31 (a Capricorn and year of the Dragon) -- so, comparitavely, I suppose that makes me a whippersnapper.
Year of the whippersnapper! I like it - I think I'll change!
Posted by Hilary on November 10, 1996 at 15:07:05:
: : How kind of you to think of me. Lingerie definitely has appeal, but I think Candace might have a better feel for it. I daresay I might be tempted by Small Appliances....we could offer three models: The Bingley, The Wickham, and of course, the piece de resistance of the collection - The Darcy. Batteries will not be included.
Grace, I'm overcome! Do you think they could include a sound chip that played, for example, a Beach Boy's tune, during use? I am so glad I thought to ask your opinion, because, although aware of some of your wide-ranging interests, I had no idea that they included experience with electric toothbrushes.
Posted by Inko on November 10, 1996 at 15:07:10:
I live in Bethesda, Maryland (just outside D.C.) but grew up in England. The most I'll admit to is 50++ since I seem to be the "old lady" on this BB.
Posted by Ann on November 10, 1996 at 15:18:07:
?? "Kallisti" is just the dative case, feminie singular, I think - Kappa-Alpha-Lambda-Lambda-Iota-Sigma-Tau-Eta-IotaSubscript
"Kallistos" is the nominative masculine singular; if you intend the dative, then the word should end in Omega-IotaSubscript (not sure how to transcribe that exactly -- "Kallisto", maybe, though that's pretty ambiguous as a transliteration).
P. S. My last name can be translated into Classical Greek as ``Temenos''
I stand corrected. My Greek is a bit rusty.
(My relative are from Greece, but are actually Macedonian-Slavs.)
Posted by Inko on November 10, 1996 at 15:21:59:
£ During the show someone (usually the heroine always has the comment "I know not how to act." At which time the audience replies "You can say that again." Everytime I watch the scene with E and Lady C and they get to the line "Very well, I shall know how to act." my mind goes into audience mode and I think "Evidently not ."
I have always loved this scene, not only because of the way Lady C and Lizzie both behave but because it also shows Lizzie's quickness. She doesn't lie when Lady C asks if her nephew had made her an offer and she says "Your Ladyship has declared it to be impossible." That's why I was so annoyed with P&P0 when they changed the entire meaning of Lady C's visit.
Posted by Amy on November 10, 1996 at 15:24:53:
£ He expressed interest in this board in general - and wondered if I had yet worked up the nerve to post anything.
£ : : Grace
Grace, do tell us more about this guy. Is he the kind who would be proud that you are a star here -- or ashamed?
Posted by Ann on November 10, 1996 at 15:25:02:
£ According to the credits at the end of the first video, the pianoforte playing as done by someone other than Carl Davis. I had never gone through all of the credits before so had not seen that. Was watching volume 1 from A&E classroom when I noticed the other name.
When the characters (Mary, Lizzy, Mrs. Hurst) played it was Carl Davis, but in the score (the background music) the pianoforte was performed by Melvyn Tan.
Posted by Cheryl on November 10, 1996 at 15:28:09:
£ Youngster here - I'm 32
£ NYAH! NYAH!
You know, Eric, gloating is unbecoming in a man of your occupation and station in life. ;-)
Posted by Ann on November 10, 1996 at 15:29:32:
: The long are definitely not the wrong trousers. Especialy love the scene when we see Mr Darcy in the background, between Charlotte and Lizzy while they are discussing how involved Jane should be with Mr Bingley. What a suave pose and attitude, coming directly from the page of a fashion magazine of the time.
I love the fact that Darcy enters the picture in that scene just as Charlotte says the word "defects". I think it is most appropriate.
Posted by Ann on November 10, 1996 at 15:37:24:
: I have not heard the Quebecois object to the Queen, though that is perhaps merely because I have not heard. From what I have heard, they are objecting simply to object, in the usual French manner. ;->
Historically, they do have cause to complain. There was a time when francophones were badly discriminated against in Quebec. Whether the grievences apply only to the past or whether they are current is a matter of debate. (A similar, though less strident, situation to Northern Ireland.)
Posted by Anne on November 10, 1996 at 15:40:28:
£ I'm turning 20 this Thursday.
An early Happy Birthday to you.
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