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Posted by Ayelet on November 10, 1996 at 07:38:53:
Hi!
I agree, that Mary IS a disagreeable creature, but I can't help it feeling she's poor, nobady (exsept Ser Willaim) shows her any sign of sympaty (not sure about the spelling), Jane and Lizzy are Mr. Bennet's favorite daughters, and Kitty and Lydia, Mrs. Bennet's favorite. so it happends to be, that Mary is stuck in the middle, everyone tierd of her lessons and hates her, and I feel sorry for her. Any other opinions?
Ayelet
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Posted by Ayelet on November 10, 1996 at 07:45:15:
: Well, is there anyone who has watched this second proposal without immediately rewinding and watching it again? I love every minute of it and the only fault I can find with it is one that has been voiced many times here: it is too short. I long for the added dialogue that Jane gave us in the book. Very satisfying, indeed.
: I like how Lizzy and Darcy can hardly look at each other. They sneak glances here and there, but never look each other full in the face and at the same time until the "Dearest, lovliest Elizabeth" line, and then what love and longing is in that gaze! It is almost as if they are each afraid to look at the other, lest it break the spell of the moment. *sigh*
: Cheryl
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I don't like the way Lizzy was ashmed in what she said then, it was right by the time, and Lizzy had no reson to hope to forget it.
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Posted by Anne on November 10, 1996 at 09:09:54:
£ Hi!
£ I agree, that Mary IS a disagreeable creature, but I can't help it feeling she's poor, nobady (exsept Ser Willaim) shows her any sign of sympaty (not sure about the spelling), Jane and Lizzy are Mr. Bennet's favorite daughters, and Kitty and Lydia, Mrs. Bennet's favorite. so it happends to be, that Mary is stuck in the middle, everyone tierd of her lessons and hates her, and I feel sorry for her. Any other opinions?
£ Ayelet
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I don't think everyone hates Mary. I think that they get tired of her attitude. It is almost as if Mary is going to the opposite extreme of Kitty and Lydia - trying to be studious and serious. She doesn't tempor this with the good-naturedness of Lizzy or Jane. Lydia and her mother are the two that have the least patience for Mary but then they are the two most unlike her -- little if no brains in their heads.
Anne
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Posted by Anne on November 10, 1996 at 09:17:20:
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Where I used to live, the theater group always put on a melodrama every summer (hero, sidekick, heroine, her sidekick, villain) - typical 'over the top' melodrama where the audience talks back to the actors and throws popcorn at the villain.
During the show someone (usually the heroine always has the comment "I know not how to act." At which time the audience replies "You can say that again." Everytime I watch the scene with E and Lady C and they get to the line "Very well, I shall know how to act." my mind goes into audience mode and I think "Evidently not ."
Anne
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Posted by Anne on November 10, 1996 at 09:25:12:
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£ I don't like the way Lizzy was ashmed in what she said then, it was right by the time, and Lizzy had no reson to hope to forget it.
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She is ashamed because she has since discovered that her reasons for hating him were in error. Even though she still didn't like the way he broke up Bingley and Jane, she finally was able to see his reasoning and realized that her family was more to blame than Darcy. She discovered that she had been totally taken in by Wickham and that Darcy was the more honorable man in that situation. She knew that Darcy was kind and generous (as displayed by his help for Lydia and by the comments of the housekeeper). It was her pride and prejudice as well as his insensitivity that caused the original outburst. It turned out that the method of the first proposal and her response was the best thing for all concerned as Darcy opened up to her in the letter causing her opinion to change and her comments caused him to re-evaluate himself and change.
Anne
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Posted by Anne on November 10, 1996 at 09:29:57:
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ROFLOL --
Amy - you're priceless.
Anne
Posted by Anne on November 10, 1996 at 09:47:22:
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: Carl Davis reported having a very good time immitating the varing piano playing abilities of those called upon to perform on the fortepiano.
: Joan, too
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According to the credits at the end of the first video, the pianoforte playing as done by someone other than Carl Davis. I had never gone through all of the credits before so had not seen that. Was watching volume 1 from A&E classroom when I noticed the other name.
Anne
Posted by Anne on November 10, 1996 at 09:47:26:
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: Carl Davis reported having a very good time immitating the varing piano playing abilities of those called upon to perform on the fortepiano.
: Joan, too
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According to the credits at the end of the first video, the pianoforte playing as done by someone other than Carl Davis. I had never gone through all of the credits before so had not seen that. Was watching volume 1 from A&E classroom when I noticed the other name.
Anne
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Posted by Anne on November 10, 1996 at 09:51:41:
: Haven't found a copy of P&P1 for rent but was able to get Jane Eyre with Dalton.
: Donna
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I am not a 'Jane Eyre' authority but I really like the Dalton version. Hope you enjoy it as much.
Anne
Posted by Anne on November 10, 1996 at 10:11:43:
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: : Guess we'll leave the part for a bit player, then.
: Grace
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Or someone with no other skills. :-)
Posted by Anne on November 10, 1996 at 10:14:17:
: ___________________ I agree with Kathleen I thought you all were much younger .However,since you all revealed your age I will reveal mine.I am 14.The drawback of being this age is that I don't have a computer of my own and I have to go to school and when you live in Ireland you can get quite cold walking to school in the morning.Anyone younger than me or who live in Ireland?
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See Missing Minutes thread above --Ayelet is 11 though living in Israel.
There was someone else recently who is checking in (can't remember the name) who is 14 also.
Anne
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Posted by Johanne on November 10, 1996 at 10:22:53:
: Remember the Netherfield Ball? Silly question. Darcy wore knee-legnth pants and white stockings. Who prefers this get-up to the long black trousers he wore in other scenes? Please e-mail me at <RYoudelman@aol.com> I wil post the results of this survey.
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The long are definitely not the wrong trousers. Especialy love the scene when we see Mr Darcy in the background, between Charlotte and Lizzy while they are discussing how involved Jane should be with Mr Bingley. What a suave pose and attitude, coming directly from the page of a fashion magazine of the time.
Johanne
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Posted by Henry Churchyard on November 10, 1996 at 10:48:56:
: Now Eris, didn't you cause enough trouble the last time? I know the rest of the gods snubbed you, but ten years of war was a bit hard on the mortals, don't you think? But if you are intent on going ahead, make sure that instead of "Kallisti" the apple is engraved "Kallistos"--hate to see any more confusion than necessary.
: Ann
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?? "Kallisti" is just the dative case, feminie singular, I think - Kappa-Alpha-Lambda-Lambda-Iota-Sigma-Tau-Eta-IotaSubscript
"Kallistos" is the nominative masculine singular; if you intend the dative, then the word should end in Omega-IotaSubscript (not sure how to transcribe that exactly -- "Kallisto", maybe, though that's pretty ambiguous as a transliteration).
P. S. My last name can be translated into Classical Greek as ``Temenos''
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Posted by Johanne on November 10, 1996 at 10:56:22:
: : I rather suspect they will be more surprised at the association with the UK vice the more common confusion with the US - too many people think they are but a northern extension of the latter and not a separate, independent nation with a different culture and history. Unlike their distant cousins to the south, loyal subjects of her majesty they remain.
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: Make that two different cultures and histories! And as for being loyal subject of the Queen, tell that to the Quebecois!
: Ann
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Two major different culture, but both quite americanized (in different ways) compare to their cultural origins. Amazing how 7 millions francophones can escape notice in North America. But regardless of our allegiance and nationality, I've always believed CBC, the public and cultural network, should obviously be more connected with British TV and airing more cultural programs. Which is not the case at all. Major cutbacks and ratios are diluting an otherwise good quality programming and thus becoming more and more US major network like. I reckon US network are much more incline to airing Brit shows and that's usualy where I have to go to find them.
Johanne
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Posted by Johanne on November 10, 1996 at 11:22:21:
Nobody here (including others from Israel) have reported any missing minutes except for those who received it from A&E. [Which certainly appears to portray U.S. cable channels in a deplorably mercenary light :-( ]
: Joan, too
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Numerous scenes missings on the serie aired by Societe Radio-Canada (CBC), usualy 43/45 minutes for each of the 5 first episodes, the last one includes a mere 35/40 minutes. Can barely imagine what we're missing and awaiting programs from A&E classroom so I can compare.
Johanne
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Posted by Nina on November 10, 1996 at 11:33:33:
: : : Young, old, or in between -- Jane Austen's works appeal to all.
: : : kathleen
: : ___________________ :I agree with Kathleen I thought you all were much younger. :However,since you all revealed your age I will reveal :mine.I am 14.The drawback of being this age is that I don't :have a computer of my own and I have to go to school and :when you live in Ireland you can get quite cold walking to :school in the morning. Anyone younger than me or who live in :Ireland?
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: I am also going to break the pattern and register myself as just turning eighteen. I think that Kathleen's statement is absolutely correct. The fact that Jane Austen can appeal to all age groups adds to her greatness as an author.
: Stefanie
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I am also 18.
Posted by Amy on November 10, 1996 at 11:35:54:
£ Numerous scenes missings on the serie aired by Societe Radio-Canada (CBC), usualy 43/45 minutes for each of the 5 first episodes, the last one includes a mere 35/40 minutes.
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Odious. Have they any idea what this means to some of us? Am I being completely fanatical and off base? Is it beyond their comprehension that people who watch these particular types of shows are extra sensitive to wanting all that is available? Or do you suppose they understand us well enough but dismiss our wants? My feeling is it is a little of both.
Amy
Posted by Johanne on November 10, 1996 at 11:58:30:
: : : : : Yes. Don't tell me you are another of us who is exactly not three and forty.
: : Okay, That does it. I can't stand it anymore. I will finally have some time of my own this weekend and I am going to do a poll on the age of posters here. This bunching up around the 38-45 region is too suspicious. What can it mean?
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: : Amy
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: Count me in : six and thirty in December. Why : we are probably looking for happy manners, good humoured, sensible and good breeding : just what a kindred spirit autenite ought to be.
: Johanne
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Posted by Eric on November 10, 1996 at 11:59:54:
: : Here in Italy, at least in Sicily where I currently reside, "equino" is as common as "bovino" in the meat markets and considerably cheaper. For some local dishes it is the preferred meat. I, personally, have a hard time eating it without feeling like I have just had a bit of Mr. Ed. I rarely inquire as to the source of the meat served any more.
: : Eric
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: Eric, Now I know why I have never watched a "Godfather" movie after the first one - that's where the rest of the horse went to! By the way, if you live in Taormina, I was there last summer - it's really beautiful.
: Inko
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Taormina is about 45 minutes away. I live 20 minutes west of Catania in Motta Santa Anastasia. I'm afraid it's not nearly as beautiful as Taormina, but it's closer to work.
Eric
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