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Posted by Donna on November 09, 1996 at 19:42:56:
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: : Will there be fireworks for the 10,000th message
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: I was thinking of presenting them to an undeserving cad who spoils a young girl.
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Then finish it off with 10,000 yards of ducktape.
Donna
Posted by Marsha on November 09, 1996 at 19:46:35:
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: I am also going to break the pattern and register myself as just turning eighteen. I think that Kathleen's statement is absolutely correct. The fact that Jane Austen can appeal to all age groups adds to her greatness as an author.
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Ditto-I am also 18
Marsha
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Posted by Grace on November 09, 1996 at 19:54:15:
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: : The anthrax posts had me speechless. But on revealing my new title to my husband, Michael, this morning, (I told him about the daggy thread, but not at length with all the ins and outs) he thought I should pass on the chorus of an Australian folk song, 'The Limejuice Tub'.
: : Fondly, Hilary
: : PS. promise I will get back to P@P
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: :Sharing the Daggy Thread - such intimacy!
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: P.S.Must think what to do with 'The Limejuice Tub'. It's a gem.
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: Today I followed your lead, Hilary. My husband has been wondering about the word 'daggy' creeping into conversation lately so I filled him in. He was excessively diverted. He expressed interest in this board in general - and wondered if I had yet worked up the nerve to post anything.
Grace
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Posted by Candace on November 09, 1996 at 20:03:14:
: Try this again.
: Don't look at the regular message text, look at how it appears in the "Comments" window below. (The problem is I don't know how to show the tags, without them disappearing).
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: Don't be frightened! Here are two very usefull HTML tags:
: 1) Italics--simply surround the words you want italicised with and .
: 2) Bold face--simply surround the words you want italicised with and .
: The brackets tell the browser that it is HTML and the letters "i" and "b" denote italics and bold-face respectively. The backslash tells the machine to stop italicising or bold-facing the text.
: Give it a try, it's not hard.
: Ann
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COOL!
- Candace
Posted by Ann on November 09, 1996 at 20:05:28:
I just found a book at Borders: Jane Austen In Style by Susan Watkins. It is an updated version of Jane Austen's Town and Country (they are the same book, just renamed and republished). This one has a picture of Jennifer Ehle at the Netherfield ball on the cover. The book covers a wide range of stuff. The chapters include: Society of Grace and Manners, the Country House, Interior Styles, Fashion, and Entertainment. It also has great references in the back (including where to find period fabrics.) I haven't read much of it yet, but it looks like a great resource into Regency England with tons of pictures. JABooks has the older version of the book in their catalogue ($25).
Book info:
Jane Austen In Style ($19.95)
Susan Watkins
1996
Thames and Hudson
500 Fifth Ave,
NY, NY 10110
ISBN 0-500-27900-4
Posted by Inko on November 09, 1996 at 20:38:00:
: : HELP!! What is HTML and how do I do it?
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: HTML is the Hypertext Markup Language which allows you to put in italics, bold-faced fonts and color. If you want to know how to do it, see Ann's message above.
: Stefanie :)
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Thank you Ann and Stefanie. Not only am I having lots of fun learning more about Jane Austen and P&P, but my computer skills are growing by leaps and bounds as well. I'm so glad I found this BB.
Inko
Posted by Arnessa on November 09, 1996 at 21:08:12:
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: : : I believe he was playing billiards, not pool. There are only three balls and I think the red ball is the one that's NOT meant to go into the pocket (but I may be all wrong in that). If I'm right, I think it shows how much Lizzie unsettles and unnerves him - something he's not even willing to admit himself at that point.
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: : Inko, Thank you, I thought it must be something like that.I was vext. . Thanks Donna T
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: If billiards, then we might ask why there were pockets on the table at all. Is anyone a historian of the games we now call billiards and pool? Perhaps he might enlighten us. Until then, I shall have to remain vexed.
: Eric
Sorry, I'm no billiards historian, but I'm writing to add another question. I've heard this theory before about Darcy knocking the wrong ball into the pocket, but it prompts a question which I must bring forward again. (Very sorry to be so tedious, but I must be satisfied.) If the red ball wasn't supposed to go into the pocket, why is it lined up for the shot? It doesn't look like a missed shot.
-Arnessa
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Posted by Anna on November 09, 1996 at 21:11:02:
: : : Lizzie is always modest about her piano playing; however, Darcy thinks she plays and sings like an angel & apparently haas shared this view with Georgiana & others. Did Darcy "grossly exaggerate" her talent (since he was under her spell)? I don't have a trained ear, so I can't tell if her playing is that good. I know some of you are musical, what do you think?
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: : I think that's the point, becouse if you are asking me (I don't have a trained ear, but I have an opinion) in Rosings, when he first heard her playing, she played slowly and awful, she got better in Pemberly, but I think his reson to like her music was Certinly his love to her.
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: There is some difference between P&P2 and Austen on this point. In the novel the dialogue between Lizzy and Georgiana when they discuss Lizzy's talent does not exist; this is Davies' invention. I can't remember if Darcy made more than one comment on Lizzy's talent, but one he did make was: "No one admitted to the privilege of hearing you can think anything wanting." In the novel he never says that he had rarely heard anything which gave him more pleasure.
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Darcy never said Lizzy had great musical skill, just that he derived great pleasure from listening to her. In essence I agree with Ayelet, Ann and Joan; Darcy would have derived great pleasure from almost anything that let him be with Lizzy.
As a side issue, I was wondering how much of the poor quality of the playing in P&P2 was due to the playing, and how much to the limitations of a fortepiano - it seems to have a much thinner sound than a modern piano. Do any of the musicially competent here have an idea?
Anna
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Posted by Anna on November 09, 1996 at 21:22:57:
: I think that the point here was to illustrate once again how silly and ignorant - and neglected in terms of being taught self discipline and the rules of propriety in society - both Kitty and Lydia were.
I concur with your view of both Lydia and Kitty, but have trouble believing that even Kitty wouldn't realise the seriousness of running off with a man who didn't intend to marry you, and by the time she says it, I think that the Bennet's have good reason to doubt the honour of Wickham's intentions.
Actually, it did not occur even to Jane that Lydia's escapade would reflect negatively on all of the sisters until Lizzie pointed it out to her. Among the Bennet sisters only Mary - who made a pedantic study of such things - and Lizzie had the perception to realize the wider implications of what Lydia had done.
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I think that Jane did realise that there would be problems for all the girls arising from Lydia's disgrace, but was too nice/polite/positive to dwell on it. After all, as Mrs Gardiner says, it is hardly helpful, and even Lizzy admits she should not have said it.
Anna
Posted by Mich on November 09, 1996 at 21:31:20:
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: : : I must put my hand up too - 43 last June. We don't bunch in the middle of the year, too, do we? Should we add astrology and the Year of the Snake to Myers-Briggs?
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: : : Add one more to the list. I'm 42. (An Aquarian and Year of the Horse, I think) Grace
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: I'm 31 (a Capricorn and year of the Dragon) -- so, comparitavely, I suppose that makes me a whippersnapper.
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I'm one and thirty as well. (Aries, year of dunno)
Mich
Posted by Rosebud on November 09, 1996 at 21:31:29:
: Do you think that Mrs. Bennet is a bad mother? ... making Jane go on horseback to Netherfield in the rain. ...
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Considering her "nerves", the financial future plight of her daughters, and the times, her neuroses in getting her daughters married off well is somewhat understandable. In that light she be seen to have their best interest at heart.
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Posted by Anna on November 09, 1996 at 21:34:09:
: : If billiards, then we might ask why there were pockets on the table at all. Is anyone a historian of the games we now call billiards and pool? Perhaps he might enlighten us. Until then, I shall have to remain vexed.
: : Eric
: Sorry, I'm no billiards historian, but I'm writing to add another question. I've heard this theory before about Darcy knocking the wrong ball into the pocket, but it prompts a question which I must bring forward again. (Very sorry to be so tedious, but I must be satisfied.) If the red ball wasn't supposed to go into the pocket, why is it lined up for the shot? It doesn't look like a missed shot.
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I'm no historian, but my father taught my brothers and myself to play billiards 20 years ago. His father had taught him, and I've only ever played it en famille, so we may have a mutant form of our very own.
As we play it there are 2 players, 3 balls - red, white and white with a red spot. One player uses the white ball, one the red spot and both are trying to sink the white ball. We use a standard pool table, just for convenience.
I also think it looks as though Darcy sinks the red ball intentionally. Maybe my family has the red and white balls switched in our play, or maybe the Simon Langton thought a red ball had more 'presence' for his purpose and decreed the switch.
Anna
Posted by Rosebud on November 09, 1996 at 21:44:11:
Woah Cecily!, I'm not sure what your point is but this photo is a dose of naturalism for our "romantic dis-ease" Its like a P&P blooper but funny like Darcy and Lizzy goofing around on their honeymoon. Where did you get it?
Posted by Anna on November 09, 1996 at 21:52:44:
: : Do you think that Mrs. Bennet is a bad mother? ... making Jane go on horseback to Netherfield in the rain. ...
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: Considering her "nerves", the financial future plight of her daughters, and the times, her neuroses in getting her daughters married off well is somewhat understandable. In that light she be seen to have their best interest at heart.
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I would also like to put in a good word for Mrs Bennet. if you consider her actions in isolation, she is indeed a bad mother, but I think she's doing her best, and she's quite right about the girl's needing to marry. Mrs Bennet is stupid and vulgar, so the way she goes about finding husbands for her daughters is excrutiating, however this is not her fault, but rather the fault of her genes and upbringing.
I think Mr Bennet is much more at fault than his wife. He has the brains, the education and all the real power, and he does little but sit and snipe at his wife and younger daughters' excesses, rather than trying to minimise the damage.
Anna
(nevertheless, I'm still very fond of Mr Bennet)
Posted by Joan, too on November 09, 1996 at 22:49:57:
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: : I was disappointed to see Andrew Davies for the first time in an interview. He is such a hero. Bright guy. He must be. An attractive white haired guy. Sadly, he seemed just a bit swishy. That's not to say he's gay. I don't know. But shoot my disapointment never seems to diminish whenever I find out some writer is gay. Maugham, Whitman.
Indeed, if truth were known, we might discover that many or our literary and artistic giants (both male and female) to have been of the gay persuasion; there are those who have put forward the suggestion that these giants in their respective artistic fields have been rendered more perceptive and insightful about the world - and better able to represent it via their art - because of this quirk in their character which, in setting them apart from the majority of mankind, sharpened their skills in obvservation and motivated them to seek to communicate in ways that would be universally understood.
A good friend of mine was a big fan of Rock Hudson - till she learned that he was gay. This discovery upset her excessively; she was quite homophobic and could not imagine that she would ever find anything about any gay person admirable. The thing about this that blows me away is that if she had never found out, she would have continiued to enjoy his performances, however, once she knew the "dreadful truth", they all became so polluted in her mind that she could no longer enjoy them, and it almost seemd as it she considered herself to have become polluted because she had not been aware that she "should" not have been admiring him. The fact that in private life he would never have romanced Doris Day made his performance appear phony - which, of course it was anyway, since all actors are being paid to appear to be someone other than thermselves. The quality of a performance (or other work) should stand on, and be evaluated on, its own merits; either it is worthy of admiration or not, regardless of the lifestyle of the artist.
What if we were to learn that CF is gay? (Hold on - I'm not implying that he is, only asking "what if"?) Would that make his portrayal of Darcy any less excellent? After all, Firth is not Darcy, nor is Darcy Firth.
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: In a more serious vein, it is possible and admirable to appreciate the good work people do even as one disapproves of other characteristics and flaws. Whitman's poetry is superb regardless, and Mr. Davies screenplay is excellent whatever his less savory inclinations. I beg you, be not long disappointed.
Hear! Hear!
Joan, too
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Posted by Joan, too on November 09, 1996 at 23:00:48:
: : : I believe he was playing billiards, not pool. There are only three balls and I think the red ball is the one that's NOT meant to go into the pocket (but I may be all wrong in that). If I'm right, I think it shows how much Lizzie unsettles and unnerves him - something he's not even willing to admit himself at that point.
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: If billiards, then we might ask why there were pockets on the table at all. Is anyone a historian of the games we now call billiards and pool? Perhaps he might enlighten us. Until then, I shall have to remain vexed.
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There are several different games of billiards according to my encyclopedia, and these fall into one of 2 categories - pocket billiards and carom billiards. Carom billiards games are played on tables with no pockets. The one illustrated in the encyclopedia as "English billiards" shows a table slightly larger than the standard tables and having 6 pockets, and is played with 3 balls. While detailed explanations of the rules are not given, it states that players score by hitting the cue ball into both object balls, or by sinking one or more balls.
Joan, too
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Posted by Joan, too on November 09, 1996 at 23:25:23:
: : The stable where we rode had one horse appropriately named "Cheeky" who was of a stubborn and independent character, ....(Cheeky was also sneaky and if one did not keep the right hand rein firmly in hand while preparing to mount, she enjoyed turning around and nipping one in the derriere.)
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: Perhaps the horse's name came from its taste for people's cheeks!
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Ha ha ha - that would have been very apt - however the stable was owned by a very proper british lady who told us that she was named Cheeky because her behavior was so bold and impertinent.
Joan, too
Posted by Ayeler on November 09, 1996 at 23:32:32:
: How I got the tapes? I live in Israel, and they putted it on channel 1, where there are no commercials, but I'm afraid they still have left those minutes cut off.
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: Hi, I'm from Israel, too.
: You can relex... Channel 1 screened all the missing minutes, and I'm very pleased about it.
: I found this bb in september, and since then I'm a daily visitor (though I only post 2-3 times). I noticed you, a few days ago, and guessed right away that you are an Israeli (sorry to say it, but you have an "Israeli Enlish"-the same as I have).
: Glad you are here, Adi
: P.S - I'm very curious: where are you from, and how old are you?. I'm 20, a soldier, from Givatayim.
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Hmm...... Nice to see that there are Israeli pepole here, I'm from Be'er Ya'akov. My age? as Lydia said "You'll never guess, so I'll tell you" I'm only 11! but I really enjoyed that movie (If you can call it so), and some of the charecters made me lagh (is that the way to spell it?) out loud (Lady Kathrine, Mr. Collins, Mrs. Bennet, Lydia etc., you know, the sillier ones)
Ayelet
Posted by Joan, too on November 09, 1996 at 23:42:20:
: As a side issue, I was wondering how much of the poor quality of the playing in P&P2 was due to the playing, and how much to the limitations of a fortepiano - it seems to have a much thinner sound than a modern piano. Do any of the musicially competent here have an idea?
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Carl Davis reported having a very good time immitating the varing piano playing abilities of those called upon to perform on the fortepiano.
Joan, too
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Posted by Cheryl on November 10, 1996 at 00:13:32:
: : Today I followed your lead, Hilary. My husband has been wondering about the word 'daggy' creeping into conversation lately so I filled him in. He was excessively diverted. He expressed interest in this board in general - and wondered if I had yet worked up the nerve to post anything.
: Grace
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Yes, you have been so quiet, so shy and retiring, Grace. Please speak up so that we may get to know you. ;-)
Cheryl
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