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Posted by Amy on November 09, 1996 at 10:00:03:
More tidbits from the Emma promo in case you have not caught it yet.
Samantha Bond plays Mrs Weston. You might remember her as Maria Bertram Rushworth from the 1983 BBC Mansfield Park. I like her. She seems very cute and clever as she quips about sexual tension in Emma, "Can you see an urge on television?"
I should say so.
I was disappointed to see Andrew Davies for the first time in an interview. He is such a hero. Bright guy. He must be. An attractive white haired guy. Sadly, he seemed just a bit swishy. That's not to say he's gay. I don't know. But shoot my disapointment never seems to diminish whenever I find out some writer is gay. Maugham, Whitman.
Posted by Anne on November 09, 1996 at 10:02:41:
: He deserves neither such praise nor such censure. He is not a perfect speller and finds humor in a great many things.
And, as we have demonstrated, correct spelling is not a prerequisite to posting here.
Posted by Bernie on November 09, 1996 at 10:23:45:
: : I must put my hand up too - 43 last June. We don't bunch in the middle of the year, too, do we? Should we add astrology and the Year of the Snake to Myers-Briggs?
: : Hilary
: : Add one more to the list. I'm 42. (An Aquarian and Year of the Horse, I think) Grace
I'm 31 (a Capricorn and year of the Dragon) -- so, comparitavely, I suppose that makes me a whippersnapper.
Posted by Grace on November 09, 1996 at 10:49:14:
: : ___________________
: : He deserves neither such praise nor such censure. He is not a perfect speller and finds humor in a great many things.
: And, as we have demonstrated, correct spelling is not a prerequisite to posting here.
: Henry et al, I was in the wrong, utterly and completely. I do apologize. Grace
Posted by Adi on November 09, 1996 at 10:58:47:
How I got the tapes? I live in Israel, and they putted it on channel 1, where there are no commercials, but I'm afraid they still have left those minutes cut off.
Hi, I'm from Israel, too.
You can relex... Channel 1 screened all the missing minutes, and I'm very pleased about it.
I found this bb in september, and since then I'm a daily visitor (though I only post 2-3 times). I noticed you, a few days ago, and guessed right away that you are an Israeli (sorry to say it, but you have an "Israeli Enlish"-the same as I have).
Glad you are here, Adi
P.S - I'm very curious: where are you from, and how old are you?. I'm 20, a soldier, from Givatayim.
Posted by Grace on November 09, 1996 at 11:07:24:
: : I recently picked up a very cheap version of P&P. It is a paperback Everyman, 1996. As an introduction it has an article by Peter Conrad, which is very thought provoking. I'm wondering if anyone else has read it.
: : * 'The ironist's peculiar occupational hazard is to be taken at his word, and JA has suffered the same trap: critics have taken her at her word.'
: : * 'P&P is not so artlessly effervescent as JA pretends. h
: : My first impulse was to reject all this, (especially I can't take such a bleak view of D and E's relationship) but it's not as easy to do as I thought. There seems to be a lot of truth in it. What do you think?
: : Hilary
: : ___________________
: I believe that Mr. Conrad underestimates Jane Austen's ability to control her plot and her characters.
: In short, Mr. Conrad judges irony aright, but fails miserably to understand Jane Austen's use of it or its place within the lives of the main characters of this nove.
: I just printed this out so I can spend time looking it over later. Some very interesting points....'irony is the incognito of affection',etc.
My own copy of P&P seems to have been lost in one of our many moves. I was headed to Borders today to get another copy, must see if the Everyman edition is on the shelf. I'm also looking for the Tave book - there's a marvelous used book warehouse in Detroit that may have it (I plan to check for the Milne play also.)
Posted by Gina Wallace on November 09, 1996 at 11:26:56:
: * 'The ironist's peculiar occupational hazard is to be taken at his word, and JA has suffered the same trap: critics have taken her at her word.'
I'm a member of the Jane Austen List who is delighted that Amy finally confessed to the existence of this discussion. While I took a quick peek at the time of her confession, I have been swamped with work until today. Must be fate, because this first message speaks to my life at the moment. I'm in big trouble at work precisely because of my ironic world view. So now my consolation is that Jane Austen and I (and Lizzy and her father) have something in common.
: * 'P&P is not only ironic in its procedures and assumptions: it is also about irony, the instrument by which Elizabeth separates herself from a shaming family, asserts her own claims against an overbearing society, and tests emotion without betraying herself into commitment to them. Irony is Elizabeth's stratagem for survival. This is the secret of the perfect self-sufficiency of P&P: irony is both form and content, and each is an image of the other'.
This is what I love about Pride and Prejudice and why I have come to believe that it provides a perfect way to identify the fools of the world. I believe that truly wise people love this book while fools don't "get" the humor and find it boring. After teaching it to a group of sophomores last year, the definition of sophomoric takes on new meaning. But the few who "got" it will live richer lives from now on. I have convinced my 23-year-old son that this is the one book that absolutely every adult should have read (preferably more than once). Fortunately, he loves it. He carries it with him wherever he goes and savors a little bit at a time while riding the bus or the T to classes or work.
: * 'Irony is the incognito of the moralist' ('The diplomatic efficacy of irony is that it judges deftly and discreetly, without needing to disrupt the external exchange of insincere compliments. It kills cleanly, leaving no messy trace' ...) It is also politically 'the covertly insolent language of the underdog'
Ahh...here's where it hits home. My boss must have taken irony detection lessons, because suddenly he has begun to understand what I really mean.
Thank you, Hillary, for making my day!
Posted by Cecily on November 09, 1996 at 11:30:56:
Two photographs with vastly different points-see link below too.
One: the face Lizzie envisions as tape 5 ends and she worries
aloud to Jane of Darcy's being alive somewhere and thinking ill
of her. (This face she conjures up bothered me; too angry or
Heathcliff-looking maybe, considering happier Pemberley ones?)
Somehow I was less bothered, though more startled, by the insert
memory face of Darcy proposing Lizzie sees on the way home from
Rosings. What think you?
The other photo: The caption on this one smacks of Meryton vulgar
humor (or Mrs. Bennet's ultimate son-in-law credo and own dithery
"I was once young too and enjoyed redcoats" libido). I put it
here, however, as an Naturalist antidote to our Romantic
dis-ease :-? (in the interest of science/satire, of course)
Posted by Cecily on November 09, 1996 at 11:41:16:
: Two photographs with vastly different points-see link below too.
: One: the face Lizzie envisions as tape 5 ends and she worries
: aloud to Jane of Darcy's being alive somewhere and thinking ill
: of her. (This face she conjures up bothered me; too angry or
: Heathcliff-looking maybe, considering happier Pemberley ones?)
: Somehow I was less bothered, though more startled, by the insert
: memory face of Darcy proposing Lizzie sees on the way home from
: Rosings. What think you?
: The other photo: The caption on this one smacks of Meryton vulgar
: humor (or Mrs. Bennet's ultimate son-in-law credo and own dithery
: "I was once young too and enjoyed redcoats" libido). I put it
: here, however, as an Naturalist antidote to our Romantic
: dis-ease :-? (in the interest of science/satire, of course)
TRY #2: tape 5 photo did not come thru before; maybe here?
if not go to http://www.iupui.edu/~rogersc/images/PPtape.jpg
Posted by Gina Wallace on November 09, 1996 at 11:45:25:
: : I wish I could understand how to get in touch with other
: : people in this group, for I too, am an addict of Pride &
: : Prejudice.
: This is it, Camille. You have gotten in touch. Pull up a chair -- one lump or two? -- listen until you hear something that strikes a chord, then start talking.
Wow, this is so new age. Like, I don't have to subscribe, or be moderated, or digested? (please see irony thread if you are offended). Seriously, this is so different from the only other lists I subscribe to (which seem to be of the Unix variety) that I'm not sure how to function. Can I send a private message to you directly if I want to? How do I do that? Is there a way to access earlier postings (the oldest messages I see are from 10/28/96).
I love the way the threads are separated out so I can read and respond to a thread from the beginning instead of having everything all intermingled. Except how do you approach reading the list daily? I think I would forget what I've already read. (Ahhh...maybe my brower changes the color of the links I've already read?)
What is the software you are using to post this? (I sure do have a lot of questions, don't I?) I have seen this format on other websites, but topics were of so little interest that I never really cared about the way it worked. This is like being in a candy store (actually, more accurately like being in a book store with a different system of classification where I keep getting lost (happily lost, but still lost.)
So again, as I mentioned under irony, thanks Amy for confessing on the Austen list about the existence of THIS list. It's a delight and while I miss these kinds of posts on the Austen list, I guess I can read both.
firstname.lastname@example.org (actually it just changed to gwi.net but it doesn't really matter--same mailbox, both work)
Posted by Sylvia on November 09, 1996 at 11:51:26:
: : : He is the reason why we are watching the English Patient or am I wrong.
: : : Thanks,
: : : Sylvia
: : ___________________
: : I would have seen the film anyway (big time Ralph Fiennes fan, and loved the book), but having the opportunity to see Colin Firth is definately a happy thought indeed.
: : Cheryl
: True. All true. I admire him. I greatly esteem him and feel gratitude to him for bringing Darcy to life for us. But I must say I was ashamed to be a fan after reading the reports on the Firthlist from fans who went to view him at the English Patient opening. As he signed autographs, they identified themselves to him as people "from his web page." If anyone ever overlaps this place with those types of groupies I will be grieved, shocked, ready to shut it down. Sorry, you guys, you know I hate to put people down, but I felt such a shiver of revulsion at this behavior (plus the realization that I have a mild strain of the sam fever), that I had to vent.
Of course, Amy. I would never think of degrading this wonderful web site. I wouldn't think of running after his authograph. I'm too old for that. I would rather appreciate him from a distance. I just thought he should be more conscious of his billing because he deserve it. His name should be bigger that it is and should also have more articles of his participation in it. After all, isn't he a big star in England.
I had never seen Ralph Fiennes movies so I am not excited about him yet. I've liked Firth since Valmont.
Posted by Another Anne on November 09, 1996 at 12:03:34:
: Well, the excellent Jane Austen not withstanding, in many respects our world today is brash and insensitve - but then so was Austen's, when one left the insulated cocoon of the world of the landed gentleman.
: Joan, too
I know, but I was just made more conscious of it!
Posted by Gina on November 09, 1996 at 12:12:50:
: Remember the Netherfield Ball? Silly question. Darcy wore knee-legnth pants and white stockings. Who prefers this get-up to the long black trousers he wore in other scenes? Please e-mail me at <RYoudelman@aol.com> I wil post the results of this survey.
Gosh, I never noticed he wore anything but knee-length pants, so I guess I must prefer the Netherfield ball outfit since that's all I remember. (And I just watched the first 1hr. episode that was on the A&E classroom this week--I'll have to go back and look!) I do, however, remember the long, tan coat he wore as he escorted Lizzy into Netherfield when Jane was sick, but I don't remember looking below his...waist...in any of the other scenes.
Posted by Gina on November 09, 1996 at 12:30:29:
Is this the same Emma that is being shown on Masterpiece Theater on Feb. 16, 1997? I thought all along that the Kate Beckinsale Emma was for Public TV, not A&E. Now I'm really confused. Maybe it's actually Persuasion that's on Feb. 16.
Posted by Stefanie on November 09, 1996 at 12:58:31:
: Can I send a private message to you directly if I want to? How do I do that? Is there a way to access earlier postings (the oldest messages I see are from 10/28/96).
:Except how do you approach reading the list daily? I think I would forget what I've already read. (Ahhh...maybe my brower changes the color of the links I've already read?)
: What is the software you are using to post this? (I sure do have a lot of questions, don't I?) I have seen this format on other websites, but topics were of so little interest that I never really cared about the way it worked.
While I'm not Amy, I can answer some of your questions.
1. Sometimes it is possible to send a private message to someone who posted. If they put their e-mail address in when they posted the message, then at the top of the message, their name should be highlighted like a link. If you click on it, you can e-mail them.
2. As for accessing earlier messages, if you ask Amy really nicely, she can send you some of the archives via e-mail.
3. After you read a post, your browser should change its color so you don't have to click it again. (Mine changes from black to an aqua shade.)
4. Sorry, I can't answer this question, but I do know that the software is HTML based. So, if you would like to spruce up a message, you can add HTML code to it.
Hope I helped. -Stefanie :)
Posted by IF on November 09, 1996 at 13:03:39:
: : Okay, That does it. I can't stand it anymore. I will finally have some time of my own this weekend and I am going to do a poll on the age of posters here. This bunching up around the 38-45 region is too suspicious. What can it mean?
: : Amy
: You all seem soo young. You must not be very old, indeed, since I am not yet eight and forty (January next), and I am barely middleaged. As to the suspicious nature of the age group, I would suggest that it is a very fine age group (attracted to a very fine BB).
: Young, old, or in between -- Jane Austen's works appeal to all.
___________________ I agree with Kathleen I thought you all were much younger .However,since you all revealed your age I will reveal mine.I am 14.The drawback of being this age is that I don't have a computer of my own and I have to go to school and when you live in Ireland you can get quite cold walking to school in the morning.Anyone younger than me or who live in Ireland?
Posted by Cheryl on November 09, 1996 at 13:06:56:
: : Two photographs with vastly different points-see link below too.
: : One: the face Lizzie envisions as tape 5 ends and she worries
: : aloud to Jane of Darcy's being alive somewhere and thinking ill
: : of her. (This face she conjures up bothered me; too angry or
: : Heathcliff-looking maybe, considering happier Pemberley ones?)
Yes, this is a rather severe pose, but it reflects what Lizzy is thinking at the time- how disapproving and disgusted Darcy must be with this further proof of her family's ill breeding.
: : The other photo: The caption on this one smacks of Meryton vulgar
: : humor (or Mrs. Bennet's ultimate son-in-law credo and own dithery
: : "I was once young too and enjoyed redcoats" libido). I put it
: : here, however, as an Naturalist antidote to our Romantic
: : dis-ease :-? (in the interest of science/satire, of course)
I've never seen this other picture. It is indeed a fairly lasivious (sp?) look. Who is responsible for the caption (IBM Ideal Breeding Material!)
Posted by Stefanie on November 09, 1996 at 13:13:04:
: As a kid I had the requisite obsession with horses and was fortunate enough to have taken riding lessons when my Girl Scout troop did the horsemanship badge. The stable where we rode had one horse appropriately named "Cheeky" who was of a stubborn and independent character, and whoever rode her was given a crop to carry, and occasionaly to flick lightly on her boot or her own leg, just to remind Cheeky of who was in charge. Even though I never saw anyone (including the stable staff) actually hit her with it, the sight of it in her peripheral vision was enough to keep Cheeky on the straight and narrow. (Cheeky was also sneaky and if one did not keep the right hand rein firmly in hand while preparing to mount, she enjoyed turning around and nipping one in the derriere. I no longer remember the names of any of the other horses, but none of us ever forgot Cheeky!)
: Joan, too
I also took horseback riding lessons as a child. During those four years, I rode many different horses and while I owned two crops, one for dressage and one for jumping, I only used it on a horse once after Anya, the horse, threw me on an attempted jump. (It was only a tap, but I refused to administer it until I was assured that it wouldn't hurt her.) With all of the other horses, just tapping your boot with the crop was enough.
Like Cheeky, I am sure that I will never forget Anya, but my reason is not the same. About a month after my jumping incident and others as well, Anya mysteriously disappeared. While no one would tell us where she went, there were several rumors flying around that her name was changed to Alpo. I know it is distressing, but so it is.
Posted by Stefanie on November 09, 1996 at 13:18:13:
I don't see all that much similarity (even though Jane Austen was something of a Burney fan), aside from the obvious similarity of having a female protagonist who is the main point-of-view character.
: Don't mean to dampen your enthusiasm, but once you've reas Evelina, you'll probably know why Austen is read more nowadays.
Thanks Henry and Tay for the input. While I still intend to read Evelina, your suggestions have allowed me to put it off until I really have the time. Plus, you have saved me from the severe disappointment of finding out that the two were not all that similar. Thanks again.
Posted by Stefanie on November 09, 1996 at 13:38:10:
: : Young, old, or in between -- Jane Austen's works appeal to all.
: : kathleen
: ___________________ :I agree with Kathleen I thought you all were much younger. :However,since you all revealed your age I will reveal :mine.I am 14.The drawback of being this age is that I don't :have a computer of my own and I have to go to school and :when you live in Ireland you can get quite cold walking to :school in the morning. Anyone younger than me or who live in :Ireland?
I am also going to break the pattern and register myself as just turning eighteen. I think that Kathleen's statement is absolutely correct. The fact that Jane Austen can appeal to all age groups adds to her greatness as an author.
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