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Posted by Amy on November 08, 1996 at 20:08:34:
: I wish I could understand how to get in touch with other
: people in this group, for I too, am an addict of Pride &
: Prejudice.
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This is it, Camille. You have gotten in touch. Pull up a chair -- one lump or two? -- listen until you hear something that strikes a chord, then start talking.
Welcome.
Amy
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Posted by Donna on November 08, 1996 at 20:26:12:
:
: : I wish I could understand how to get in touch with other
: : people in this group, for I too, am an addict of Pride &
: : Prejudice.
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: This is it, Camille. You have gotten in touch. Pull up a chair -- one lump or two? -- listen until you hear something that strikes a chord, then start talking.
: Welcome.
: Amy
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Listen, an you will hear the famous quotes of Mr. Darcy dear and lots of pictures too.
Donna
Posted by Grace on November 08, 1996 at 20:28:23:
: : :
: : : : : Amy and I were going for a Regency look. What shall we term this theme you and Hilary suggest (wool muffs and shearing shears)? The Daggency look?
: : : : Either way, I think Henry gets to do the Robert Palmer part!
: : : : Grace
: : :
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: : :
: : : Maybe the Anthrax look. I don't want to put Henry's nose out of joint, but I thought CF would get that part?
: : : Hilary
: :
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: :
: : : Colin in the part? Well......if you insist.
: : Grace
: : (Tell his agent the chorus will be in the buff, with muffs - I'm sure he'll take the gig.)
:
: No No No - we can *not* perform for strangers. It MUST be Henry and only Henry! I for one would like to say that in the buff with a muff is probably the *only* way I could get him to watch me sing and dance!! I do not wish to excite your anticipation of my singing skills...
: What shall we have the Mys. HC wear???
: Katherine
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: Katherine, be careful. Either something is wrong with Henry today or we have an impostor on the board. Look at the clues - he spelled Mysterious with an extra 's',he confused Lizzy with Lydia, he used the word 'arousing' in a sentence without a literary reference, ....and displayed some rather rousing wit and humor of his own.
You decide.
Grace
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Posted by Kali on November 08, 1996 at 20:30:43:
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: : : : : : ...also including a full frontal shot, and no, she did not need a wonder bra for P&P2).
: : : : : : : Anna
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: : : : : : Huh?
: : : : : : - K
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: : : : : That means, K, that she is naturally endowed with a large bosom and does not require a push-up contraption to give the illusion of a big bosom.
: : : : : ::Tommye, proud owner of 2 w.b.'s
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: : : : I know THAT! ;-) The way Anna described it, though, you'd think they had a nude picture of the poor girl in the book (highly unlikely, but you never can be sure...).
: : : : Oh yeah, wb's! Actually, I'm sorry to say that they're the only contraptions I wear!
: : : : - K
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: : : Kali,
: : : I think Anna was referring to the Camomile Lawn!
: : : Bernie
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: : Grumble grumble. ;-)
: : - K
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: Yup - for the information of those males on the BB who were not aware of it, "The Camomile Lawn does feature Ms Ehle appearing without sans muff, sans all
: Anna
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Ick. I could never do that, at least not in the condition I'm in!
- Kali
Posted by Cheryl on November 08, 1996 at 20:32:40:
: : Does anyone know if he was accompanied by anyone?
: : Ann
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: No Livia, no other date. He hung with a bunch of guys including the putrid shopkeeper from Circle of Friends.
: Amy
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eewwww! That guy made my skin crawl! He wasn't quite so revolting as Mr. Elton in Emma, but close.
Cheryl
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Posted by Janet on November 08, 1996 at 20:47:10:
: : : :
: : : : : : Amy and I were going for a Regency look. What shall we term this theme you and Hilary suggest (wool muffs and shearing shears)? The Daggency look?
: : : : : Either way, I think Henry gets to do the Robert Palmer part!
: : : : : Grace
: : : :
: : : : ___________________
: : : :
: : : : Maybe the Anthrax look. I don't want to put Henry's nose out of joint, but I thought CF would get that part?
: : : : Hilary
: : :
: : : ___________________
: : :
: : : : Colin in the part? Well......if you insist.
: : : Grace
: : : (Tell his agent the chorus will be in the buff, with muffs - I'm sure he'll take the gig.)
: :
: : No No No - we can *not* perform for strangers. It MUST be Henry and only Henry! I for one would like to say that in the buff with a muff is probably the *only* way I could get him to watch me sing and dance!! I do not wish to excite your anticipation of my singing skills...
: : What shall we have the Mys. HC wear???
: : Katherine
:
: ___________________
:
: : Katherine, be careful. Either something is wrong with Henry today or we have an impostor on the board. Look at the clues - he spelled Mysterious with an extra 's',he confused Lizzy with Lydia, he used the word 'arousing' in a sentence without a literary reference, ....and displayed some rather rousing wit and humor of his own.
: You decide.
: Grace
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He also attached his name to my tutu post which then appeared in the Anthrax thread - highly suspicious, unless it was a coincidental and simultaneous switch of titles and locations. Since the subject is get-ups I am dubious, as H.C. does not impress me as careless OR silly.
: Janet
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Posted by Joan, too on November 08, 1996 at 20:48:47:
: Dear Joan, I am afraid you may have finally put your foot in it. Please don't be hard on Joan, she is almost always so right. It must have been the server, right?
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It has been my own doing and I ought to feel it. Who should suffer but myself? I am not afraid of being overpowered by the impression. It will pass away soon enough, and sooner than it ought, no doubt. ;-)
(However, the server must take the blame for the disappearance of my first posting of this reply. The link "Re: BBC Joan, too 16:27:11 11/08/96 (0)" is there, but instead of my reply, it connects to a posting not made by myself in the Anthrax thread. Hopefully my luck will be better this time!)
Joan, too
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Posted by Kali on November 08, 1996 at 20:48:49:
: : : Hi!
: : : Did anyone nodiced, that the protraits of Darcy/Georiana Darcy/Wickham didn't look like them? not at all? especialy Darcy's, couldn't they find a better painter? or was it fashion in those day to draw things not in the way they look like?
: : : Ayelet
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: :
: :
: : The miniature of Wickham favored him - Darcy's miniature was a little less faithful. The portraits, however, I felt were fairly good (Darcy and Georgiana).
: : Anne
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: I thought the miniature of Darcy was a good likeness. I thought the face was much better than the portrait.
: Ann
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The portraits were pretty decent, and the minatures were cute if not completely accurate. I have the portrait of Darcy as my monitor wallpaper, which I sometimes interchange with various other Austen-related illustrations.
- K
Posted by Amy on November 08, 1996 at 20:49:10:
: : Katherine, be careful. Either something is wrong with Henry today or we have an impostor on the board. Look at the clues - he spelled Mysterious with an extra 's',he confused Lizzy with Lydia, he used the word 'arousing' in a sentence without a literary reference, ....and displayed some rather rousing wit and humor of his own.
: You decide.
: Grace
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He deserves neither such praise nor such censure. He is not a perfect speller and finds humor in a great many things.
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Posted by Ian on November 08, 1996 at 20:53:23:
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: : Well I'm here on the udder side of the world in Australia, about 13 hours ahead of SF. Should anyone here in Oz or, if you're willing to fly Qantas to get here, would like to meet perhaps we could get together to see a screening of "Emma" which is currently screening in cinemas everywhere. The only problem would be to work out an easy central venue. Any offers?
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: Ian --
: If I could afford it, I would be vastly happy to fly to Australia to meet. I would love to fly to Australia for any reason. Unfortunately, finances are not that lush, and getting slimmer by the day. (Keep buying books and videos mentioned here -- just bought a satelite system for my home as tired of not getting stations like the History Channel.)
: Anne
Yes Oz is a long way away, from anywhere really. Some of our cities are further apart than the nearest country. Still I'm only just under two hours north of Sydney if I travelled by car or train. It'd probably be easier for me to go to the US but like you Anne my finances don't stretch that far at present. So I'll just have to see the films and TV series as they happen. Unfortunately you lucky folk in the Northern Hemisphere seem to get most films and TV series at least six months in advance of us "down here" even though we're actually 17 hours ahead of SF and LA at present with Daylight Savings Time!
Still I shouldn't moan as in Darcy's day a trip to Sydney would have taken a couple of days over land (an overnight trip by sail), and a couple of months to sail from Sydney to LA or SF!
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Posted by Joan, too on November 08, 1996 at 20:54:20:
: : : Katherine, be careful. Either something is wrong with Henry today or we have an impostor on the board. Look at the clues - he spelled Mysterious with an extra 's',he confused Lizzy with Lydia, he used the word 'arousing' in a sentence without a literary reference, ....and displayed some rather rousing wit and humor of his own.
: : You decide.
: : Grace
:
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: He also attached his name to my tutu post which then appeared in the Anthrax thread - highly suspicious, unless it was a coincidental and simultaneous switch of titles and locations. Since the subject is get-ups I am dubious, as H.C. does not impress me as careless OR silly.
: : Janet
: __________
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I begin to suspect that something truly is amiss with the server today - a reply which I posted in another thread was linked not to my own posting, but to someone else's posting in this thread!
Joan, too
Posted by Amy on November 08, 1996 at 20:56:00:
The link "Re: BBC Joan, too 16:27:11 11/08/96 (0)" is there, but instead of my reply, it connects to a posting not made by myself in the Anthrax thread.
: Joan, too
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The threading has been messing up a little. Henry reported one too. Sorry to have to do this, but I am going to take out yesterday's posts already in hopes that it might help. This happens when many of us are on and posting at the same time. The worst time was when I had to shut down for a day three weeks ago or so? I'm not up for that again. We'll see if this works. Tell me if it keeps happening, but I am out of touch for an hour.
Amy
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Posted by Janet on November 08, 1996 at 20:56:25:
: : Dear Joan, I am afraid you may have finally put your foot in it. Please don't be hard on Joan, she is almost always so right. It must have been the server, right?
:
: ___________________
: It has been my own doing and I ought to feel it. Who should suffer but myself? I am not afraid of being overpowered by the impression. It will pass away soon enough, and sooner than it ought, no doubt. ;-)
:
: (However, the server must take the blame for the disappearance of my first posting of this reply. The link "Re: BBC Joan, too 16:27:11 11/08/96 (0)" is there, but instead of my reply, it connects to a posting not made by myself in the Anthrax thread. Hopefully my luck will be better this time!)
: Joan, too
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So it happened to you, too? That Anthrax thread is wreaking havoc mixing up posts between you, me and M.H.C. (or an imposter). Perhaps it's the subject matter. Anyway, don't take too much upon yourself, as Mr. G would say.
: Janet
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Posted by Inko on November 08, 1996 at 20:58:57:
It is a very thought-provoking scene and I would love to learn of other takes on it. Louise
:
: I admit it, I'm not pool-knowledgable. What is the significance of the red ball. Someone on this BB said it said it all "but not to me". Help .....
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I believe he was playing billiards, not pool. There are only three balls and I think the red ball is the one that's NOT meant to go into the pocket (but I may be all wrong in that). If I'm right, I think it shows how much Lizzie unsettles and unnerves him - something he's not even willing to admit himself at that point.
Inko
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Posted by Candace on November 08, 1996 at 21:07:11:
... By the way, any N. CA - Bay area types who are interested may enjoy a screening of _Emma_ with free movie posters at Wheeler Hall on the UC Berkeley Campus on Nov. 22 in the evening. I and several of my Austenite friends will be there...
: - K
: P.S. Candace, you know, I was just thinking...It will be weird when we all get to meet. FOr all you know, I could really be some big, hairy guy! Fortunately for you, I'm not, but it's a funny though just the same, with all the urban-cyber legends out there...
:
: - K
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Kali,
I just might show up. Emma has already come and gone here in Sacramento. I only got to see it twice. Am truly dying to see it again on a big screen at lease one more time!
- Candace
PS: I'm not afraid of you...or big hairy men for that matter...my husband happens to be one.
Posted by Leslie on November 08, 1996 at 21:20:15:
I sent e-mails to my partners to ask them for some advice. I'll let you know what they say.
: : : : : : : : : : : : Kali, why do you want to go to law school? I'm a lawyer, so I'm interested in knowing what prospective law students think it will be like.
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: : :
: : :
: : My practice is civil litigation--so I don't know much about the lobbying type of practice. However, I have several partners who do that both at the state level and in DC. I'll ask them if they have suggestions/tips I could pass on to you. I found law school rather tedious, but fortunately law practice is more interesting. Good luck!!
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: Yes, please send anytning along that you'd like to. My e- mail address is dxiechkn@uclink.berkeley.edu.
: THnak you!
: - K
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Posted by Leslie on November 08, 1996 at 21:29:07:
Lizzie is always modest about her piano playing; however, Darcy thinks she plays and sings like an angel & apparently haas shared this view with Georgiana & others. Did Darcy "grossly exaggerate" her talent (since he was under her spell)? I don't have a trained ear, so I can't tell if her playing is that good. I know some of you are musical, what do you think?
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Posted by Janet on November 08, 1996 at 21:34:38:
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: : : Is this meant to allow that although one does not benefit from an ideal upbringing, one can grow up to overcome despite the constraints of society? This may have been a rather revolutionary concept in a society in which wealthy and powerful families were expected (and hoped) to rule all forever and ever. Indeed, there was a fall-out in P&P. Any thoughts or am I just expounding/reaching?
: : It is indeed interesting to speculate to what degree JA made this, her favorite character, the proponent of her own particular position in these matters. I, myself, would like to believe this to be the case.
: : Joan, too
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: It seems that Jane Austen is very sympathetic re: human constraint. But how revolutionary is she? This is a question I've seen discussed elsewhere, and now you guys have me thinking about it again (I know this isn't quite what you guys were dealing with, but it relates so I'll go with it!). I believe that the merit of a novel rests on its ability to illuminate the universiality of the human condition, which Austen, and so many authors before and after her, have done well. I don't think her ideas re: understanding between humans and self-realization were so much revolutionary as progressive, and certainly they weren't new to literature or theory. She is very comfortable writing from within the normalcy of polite society, and her themes deal more with the complexity and irony of life in the community of man than with societal reengineering. To Austen, it seems that life in society can be ironic, frustrating, amusing, unfair, and wonderful, for both men and women of many walks of life.
: Her message, in my eyes, at least, is that human beings should do their best to understand others while trying to make for themselves the best existence possible. Austen seems to understand that life can be crappy no matter who you are, especially if you are intelligent: Parents can be dorks (The Bennets, Lady Catherine, Sir William L., etc.); So can the men who are interested in you (Mr. Collins, Wickham), and especially your boyfriend (Mr. Darcy); Some people can be real morons (Mrs. Bennet, etc.); Etc. These and other situations can be explored through the eyes of many of the characters, and not just the smart ones or the "favorites" (Darcy, Lizzy).
: The fact that P&P ends happily, with the main characters enlightened and generally content with life, seems to indicate that while Austen understood the problems living in society can create, she was generally optimistic about life in society. It is easy, especially is the blurry-line area of novels, to attribute specific intentions and beliefs to an author when no certain, specific message is intended. Literature provides a process of experimentation and exploration for the writer and the reader, which encourages insights but does not necessarily indicate the espousal of certain beliefs or theories. Austen is more commentator than instigator, which leads me to think that she is not the revolutionary that many people think she is (not that you guys do - but, again, I must say that your comments got me thinking about this question!). I'm of the "slice of life" school of literature, I suppose.
: - K
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And so was JA. Her own metaphor for her writing was "two inches of ivory." She compacted a microcosm into her rather narrow slice of time and space. I have read that she really had no intention whatsoever of making any statement of any kind. It's just my own overzealous analysis I suppose. This may be one definition of a classic to seem more important than was intended. But then we do pick over it, don't we?
: Janet
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Posted by Inko on November 08, 1996 at 21:38:44:
: : No Livia, no other date. He hung with a bunch of guys including the putrid shopkeeper from Circle of Friends.
: : Amy
:
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: eewwww! That guy made my skin crawl! He wasn't quite so revolting as Mr. Elton in Emma, but close.
: Cheryl
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That was Alan Cumming in both parts - creepy crawly in both as far as I'm concerned, and no saving humorous touch like Mr. Collins.
Inko
Posted by Leslie on November 08, 1996 at 21:45:22:
put me down as almost four and forty (in another week or so) (a Scorpio)
: : : : Does this show my age?
: : : : ___________________
: : : : Yes. Don't tell me you are another of us who is exactly not three and forty.
: : : : Amy
: : : ___________________
: : :
: : : Became three and forty last July.
: : : - Candace
: : _________
: : You and me and Kathie Lee.
: : : Janet
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: Okay, That does it. I can't stand it anymore. I will finally have some time of my own this weekend and I am going to do a poll on the age of posters here. This bunching up around the 38-45 region is too suspicious. What can it mean?
:
: Amy
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