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Posted by Cheryl on November 08, 1996 at 12:11:17:
: Okay, That does it. I can't stand it anymore. I will finally have some time of my own this weekend and I am going to do a poll on the age of posters here. This bunching up around the 38-45 region is too suspicious. What can it mean?
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: Amy
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Yes, I, too, am not quite eight and thirty. I'm not sure what it means though. Maybe we've all been around long enough dealing with the "real world" that we know the people of Jane Austen's novels, and have met them invarious guises during our lives and so recognize them as real people when we read of them. We have also been battered enough by life to know that happy ending are rare and so need the optimism or escape of Jane's endings. We do have a number of twentysomethings here, but this generation is growing up more cynical that we did and so perhaps they too, long for happy endings.
Cheryl
I just reread my post and I hope that I didn't come off as world-weary or disappointed with life. I am basically a very happy person! But I have met some Mr. Collins', Lady Catherines, Mr. Wickhams, Mrs. Eltons, etc. during my life and I wish that I could handle them with as much grace and forbearance as Lizzy or Emma does. Life experience means that you will have to associate with more and more people, many of whom with which you do not wish to associate. I am getting better, with age, at dealing with such persons, but I admire and envy Lizzy's aplomb. How she did it at 20, I'll never know, but she did grow up with her mother so she became adept at handling tiresome people at an early age!
I think I've rambled on long enough!
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Posted by NIna on November 08, 1996 at 12:11:58:
What is the signifigance of the scene
when, at Netherfield, Elizabeth mistakenly
walks in on Darcy, who is playing billiards?
I'm confused by both of their reactions.
Also, he appears angry after she quickly
leaves. I've never understood that scene.
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Posted by Cheryl on November 08, 1996 at 12:15:14:
: I videoed the second viewing and watched a few times. In a fit of extreme generosity, I lent it to a friend, whose 6 year old promplty taped Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers over it! :(
: Please, please don't crucify me.
: Bernie
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Oh Bernie! You are most grievously to be pitied. The destruction of your tape would have been a blessing in comparison.
Posted by Cheryl on November 08, 1996 at 12:18:25:
: : Is it too late to also suggest a 'Darcy Riding Crop'? I think it might sell well.
: Grace
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Ooo! Does it come with the matching leather boots?
Cheryl
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Posted by Amy on November 08, 1996 at 12:25:07:
: I just reread my post and I hope that I didn't come off as world-weary or disappointed with life.
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No, but the first part did give the bittersweet feeling that you have lived a while and see a few things. Maybe we are all somewhat deeper than we appear at first blush, kind of like an Austen novel.
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Posted by Laura M on November 08, 1996 at 12:31:21:
A mcuh cuter Orson Welles. Thank you,
Laura
Posted by Another Anne on November 08, 1996 at 12:33:38:
: : Hi Everyone --
: : Kali, Mich, and I have made plans to meet for Tea in San Francisco on Saturday, December 21, 1996.
: : We would be most happy if any of you would also like to join us. Please RSVP to my E-mail by
: : December 1st.
: : Hope to hear from you,
: : Candace
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: I'd love to come, but the air-fare is excessive. Now if anyone would like to meet for a Cappuccino in Taormina...
: Eric
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Sundowners in Johannesburg?
Anne
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Posted by Another Anne on November 08, 1996 at 12:40:48:
I greatly esteem him and feel gratitude to him for bringing Darcy to life for us.
: Amy
I feel the same. I'm not sure that I want to see him in anything else.
Anne
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Posted by Louise on November 08, 1996 at 12:57:43:
I have thought that this scene was to illustrate the growing tension/interest between Elizabeth and Darcy. By this time in the book (and the scene in PP2) Darcy has already admitted to admiring Lizzy's "fine eyes" and is attracted to her wit and sponteneity. The anger (frustration) he shows I believe is toward himself: as he battles his attraction to Lizzy with her "unsuitability." It is a very thought-provoking scene and I would love to learn of other takes on it. Louise
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Posted by Shelagh on November 08, 1996 at 12:59:43:
: : Yes, Raphael - Chuzzlewit is definitely on video. I recorded
: : it from PBS (Masterpiece Theater) some months back and then I noticed the same version
: : in a video rental store. I am in Alberta, Canada. However, the rental store it was in
: : is a specialty type video store with many of these BBC films for rent. If you wish I
: : could give them a call and see what info they could give me on it.
: : Shelagh
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: Thank you. I would be very obliged. The rental stores around me (Oakland, CA) usually purchase all the BBC videos. Someone did a computer search for me of videos in release and Chuzzlewit didn't come up. Perhaps it has not been released in the states. Or, perhaps I just have bad luck.
: Cordially,
: Raphael
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Hi Raphael, Sorry, so luck on Martin Chuzzlewit video. The copy they have in the store here was bought by somebody who went to Britain and brought it back. It has no local distributor on it. It will probably be available at some later date. Perhaps it well be rebroadcast on PBS or some other channel. The recording I made is not complete or the best quality. Happy Hunting, Shelagh
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Posted by genie on November 08, 1996 at 13:03:26:
I am sure this has been discussed at length in the past so I won't ask more than a brief explanation or synopsis of previous opinions: When Eliza asks Darcy at Rosings if he has "not seen her (sister) in town" (these three months), he answers, "No, I have not had that pleasure." Later we see him at Bingley's home in a flashback peering over the balcony at Jane as she leaves the house. In the book, he can get away with this technically because he says he has not "met" her, but in PP2, he says no to having "seen" her. I always felt Darcy was too honourable to lie outright, so is this just a slip-up in the script or an attempt to portray him as slightly less than perfect or something else? Any opinions out there? Thanks, genie
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Posted by Zimei on November 08, 1996 at 13:10:41:
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: : : Colin as Geoffrey Clifton in The English Patient. Can't wait to see the movie.
: : : Enjoy!
: : : Zimei
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: : Gee. I wouldn't exactly refer to myself as a Colinite, but your picture is rather nice, Zimei. Maybe I will go see _The English Patient_ after all!
: : Firth is beginning to grow on me,
: : Kali
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: Hi! I'm another Firth fan and the only reason I will see the English Patient is because of Colin Firth. However, I'm grieved(or is that how you say it?) because they did not put his name big enough as a main star. Don't they know he's drawing crowds in the theater. So now if the movies is a big success the credit will be for Fiennes (I am not crazy about him).
: Can we rally about it. He is the reason why we are watching the English Patient or am I wrong.
: Thanks,
: Sylvia
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The English Patient happens to be on my list anyway, from what I read and heard it's just my kind of movie. But with Colin on the cast certaily adds my eagerness.
But for a different one, I will not be surprised if I go to see the movie just because CF, for example, I have already put A Thoughsand Acres and Fever Pitch (I hope it will be shown in US) on my must-see list. Since P&P2, I've watched any CF movies I could find, I found he has that ability to make a memerable performance even in a not-that-great movie. Hostages is such an example. (God, what have I turned into ? I've always been pround that I don't go to see a movie just becauase so-and-so is in it, but again Colin is not you average so-and-so, right ? :)
It's unfortunate that the EP story happens in a desert, Colin probably will not get wet :)
Zimei
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Posted by Raphael on November 08, 1996 at 13:13:18:
: Hi Raphael, Sorry, so luck on Martin Chuzzlewit video. The copy they have in the store here was bought by somebody who went to Britain and brought it back. It has no local distributor on it. It will probably be available at some later date. Perhaps it well be rebroadcast on PBS or some other channel. The recording I made is not complete or the best quality. Happy Hunting, Shelagh
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Thanks, Shelagh, for the update. I'll keep my eyes peeled.
Cordially,
Raphael
Posted by Raphael on November 08, 1996 at 13:20:24:
: I believe that it's largely a matter of copyright; someone must pay the royalties. Our networks do not go to them, but many of our series are licensed to them, as many of theirs are licensed to us, especially on PBS and A&E. In Canada, I hear, they do get more direct from BBC, but then they are part of the UK.
: Joan, too
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I don't think it is exactly a matter of licensing. A&E and WGBH are both co-producers, that is, they finance films in PRE-production, not when they are completed. If you ever watch credits, look toward the end for a title like "producer for WGBH," etc. In return for their financing, these American co-producers receive first-run exclusive rights to airing the property in the states, and possibly distribution; all depending on specifics of contract.
The American broadcast system is locked tight. There is absolutely no way BBC would be able to launch a network here -- but I believe a recent contract was signed to produce more material to funnel directly into the states. I wish I could comment more but I do not remember the specifics.
Cordially,
Raphael
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Posted by Shelagh on November 08, 1996 at 13:21:59:
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: : I believe that it's largely a matter of copyright; someone must pay the royalties. Our networks do not go to them, but many of our series are licensed to them, as many of theirs are licensed to us, especially on PBS and A&E. In Canada, I hear, they do get more direct from BBC, but then they are part of the UK.
: : Joan, too
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: I think some of our Canadian posters may toast you for that! They are part of the Commonwealth but they gained independence from the UK a while ago.
: Bernie
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Thanks Bernie, I am in western Canada and all of our BBC films (other than A&E Channel) comes via Spokane PBS so we could say that Spokane is part of Canada. We also get many Spokane newscasts.
Posted by Shelagh on November 08, 1996 at 13:22:29:
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: : I believe that it's largely a matter of copyright; someone must pay the royalties. Our networks do not go to them, but many of our series are licensed to them, as many of theirs are licensed to us, especially on PBS and A&E. In Canada, I hear, they do get more direct from BBC, but then they are part of the UK.
: : Joan, too
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: I think some of our Canadian posters may toast you for that! They are part of the Commonwealth but they gained independence from the UK a while ago.
: Bernie
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Thanks Bernie, I am in western Canada and all of our BBC films (other than A&E Channel) comes via Spokane PBS so we could say that Spokane is part of Canada. We also get many Spokane newscasts.
Posted by Ayelet, once more on November 08, 1996 at 13:29:15:
Hi!
On the first chapter, Darcy says that he knows only 6 accomplished young ladies, I can count only 4: His sister, Mrs. Hurst, Miss Bingley and Lizzy. Can anyone imagine who are the other 2?
Thanks,
Ayelet
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Posted by Raphael on November 08, 1996 at 13:30:29:
: A&E is showing a new Emma promo, about 5 minutes with interviews by Birtwistle, Davies, Beckinsale the actors who play Mrs Weston and Mr Knightly (not what you might call a heartthrob, but interesting), the costume designer and the director.
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Thanks, Amy! I'll definitely look for it. Five minutes is lengthy for a promo. A&E won't be pressing that into their slots very often -- they're too keen on advertising to sap that space. Prime-time will probably be out of the question. Morning is about right, as you point out -- but I am on the west-coast! Too early for me.
Yes, very interesting, the Davies comment. I read somewhere information that led me to believe they had no idea Miramax and Douglas McGrath were making Emma. I can't remember where it was, I'm afraid, but they learned I think right in the thick of production. I am sure if they knew earlier that McGrath was already doing a feature Birtwistle and Davies would have reconsidered their approach, don't you?
Emma should be airing on ITV this month in the UK, shouldn't it? Any UK folk out there? Please, notify us of what sort of marketing is going on there!
Cordially,
Raphael
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Posted by Raphael on November 08, 1996 at 13:36:12:
: I just noticed that when Lizzie walks outside when the sun is shining, you can see the outline of her legs through her dresses. Would dresses have been that thin back then? I think that would have been very revealing for that time. However, they weren't ashamed to show cleavage, so I guess a little leg wouldn't bother them. Any thoughts?
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Wasn't it the early eighteenth century when Parisian women took to wearing dresses which completely exposed their breasts? For most contemporary audiences weaned on those despicable stifling Victorian nightmares, and desperate stifling repression, the Regency and earlier comes as quite a shock.
I know all of you are busy eyeballing Darcy, but I must tell you that I for one am excessively thankful that Lizzy's frocks are light enough to show leg. Trust me.
Cordially,
Raphael
Posted by Bernie on November 08, 1996 at 13:52:18:
: Emma should be airing on ITV this month in the UK, shouldn't it? Any UK folk out there? Please, notify us of what sort of marketing is going on there!
: Cordially,
: Raphael
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Raphael,
ITV have been showing trailers for Emma since mid-September. I read somewhere that it is meant to be aired sometime this month. Just exactly when, though, I haven't a clue. I wouldn't put it past ITV to reshedule Emma for after Christmas if they don't think the audience rating will be large enough.
A fairly frustrated,
Bernie
PS. The BBC are due to show "The Tenant of Windfell Hall" in a fortnight. It stars Tara Fitzgerald and Toby Stephens, both of whom appeared with Jennifer Ehle in "The Camomile Lawn". Yet another link in our ever growing chain!
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