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Posted by Mich on November 07, 1996 at 12:53:11:
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: : You know I just read about a company that if you send them a picture of your child they will create a doll in that childs image.
: : Do you think they would make me a Darcy Doll? Life size?
: : ok I'm kidding I haven't gone completely over the edge. Just thinking about it.
: : Mich
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: Mich, you're onto something here; a promoter's dream! (or a way for Amy to underwrite this site? We'd buy memorabilia!) A properly suited Darcy, talking key lines at the push of a button cleverly adorning his vest, might not be ready for this Christmas, though.
: I know! Let's each and all take a favorite picture of Darcy and get a shirt (sweat or T) or coffee cup made!! Any ideas for a good logo-text to go with the picture?
: Maybe: "MY DEAREST, LOVELIEST (FILL IN YOUR NAME)"
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Wonderful idea.
I think we all know which picture would be used the most.
I liked the one Amy used "I would by no means suspend any pleasure of yours" or something like that.
Mich
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Posted by Raphael on November 07, 1996 at 13:17:29:
: : Do you live in the UK? Is that where Chuzzlewit is available? Perhaps I could find it in the PBS mail-order catalog, though I doubt I could afford it right now. I'd much rather find it for rent.
: Yes. I had this discussion with Joan, too about a week ago, but if you have a video that will play in PAL format (like she does), I may be able to help you.
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I do not, but I do know that there are businesses here which will transfer Pal to NTSC for a small fee. Unfortunately, I can't afford to buy the videos right now. I was hoping to rent them. Thanks for the offer. I wish I could buy them.
Cordially,
Raphael
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Posted by Raphael on November 07, 1996 at 13:21:25:
: Yes, Raphael - Chuzzlewit is definitely on video. I recorded
: it from PBS (Masterpiece Theater) some months back and then I noticed the same version
: in a video rental store. I am in Alberta, Canada. However, the rental store it was in
: is a specialty type video store with many of these BBC films for rent. If you wish I
: could give them a call and see what info they could give me on it.
: Shelagh
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Thank you. I would be very obliged. The rental stores around me (Oakland, CA) usually purchase all the BBC videos. Someone did a computer search for me of videos in release and Chuzzlewit didn't come up. Perhaps it has not been released in the states. Or, perhaps I just have bad luck.
Cordially,
Raphael
Posted by Raphael on November 07, 1996 at 13:24:56:
: I discoved another link in our P&P chain:
: The movie American Friends, with Colin's brother Johnathan, has a Director of Photography by the name of Philip Bohnam-Carter.
: Another relation?? Anybody know if he's related to Crispin or Helena? How many Bohnam-Carters are there?
: Ann
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Crispin referred to the fact that there are many theatrical Bonham-Carters. I do not know about this particular individual, but apparently there are quite a few about in acting/film.
I just saw American Friends on Tuesday. Did you like it? Jonathan Firth looked younger in it than in Middlemarch.
Cordially,
Raphael
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Posted by Dina on November 07, 1996 at 13:38:41:
: : Adele's mother was a French dancer who died;
: : Inko
: Did she die? I thought she just ran off, leaving Adele behind.
: Ann
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Adeles mom's name was Celine Verone who was a french opera singer. Rochester left her because "any women who would betray me for such as him (a young officer) was not worth contending for". So he "paid her off". He took in Adele when her mother died (don't temember how he heard about it). He took her to Thornfield Hall where he also had his first wife (Bertha Mason) kept in the attic, because she was mad. Then he fled to find some sort of freedom from these two things. When he comes back to Thornfield he meets Jane who he falls for immediatley because of her innocence, goodness, intelligence and I think, savyness (if there is such a word). The book describes him as vulcan like. I did not care for the Hurt version - it was like watching the Cliff notes. I am partial to the Dalton version. I have often said (with apologies to Mr. Darcy) if I could have a man like Edward Fairfax Rochester in my life I would be thrilled. He is so strong. I think his acting in this is superb. Watching him do no speaking, just action, in Bond was too hard to take. I understand he is a bit of a wicket man personally so I take to just thinking of Rochester. Sigh.
I always had a problem with plain Jane never getting any prettier. Maybe I have gone hollywood but I always think people in love just automatically look more beautiful. She is his "plain quaker-ish governess, not a beauty, please don't treat me as if I were". She also says she doesn't "treat him as handsome, though she loves him dearly".
Dina
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Posted by PAL to NTSC translation on November 07, 1996 at 13:59:24:
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: I do not, but I do know that there are businesses here which will transfer Pal to NTSC for a small fee. Unfortunately, I can't afford to buy the videos right now. I was hoping to rent them. Thanks for the offer. I wish I could buy them.
: Cordially,
: Raphael
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In a recent perusal of the Firth FAQ, I noticed one outlet that will convert PAL to NTSC format for free.
Here is the information :-
Laughinghouse Audio Visual: British Video Guide, (714)956-9032.
Ask for Mike Walsh. It is reported that Laughinghouse will make PAL to NTSC conversion without cost.
Bernie
Posted by Zimei on November 07, 1996 at 14:00:48:
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: : : You know I just read about a company that if you send them a picture of your child they will create a doll in that childs image.
: : : Do you think they would make me a Darcy Doll? Life size?
: : : ok I'm kidding I haven't gone completely over the edge. Just thinking about it.
: : : Mich
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: : Mich, you're onto something here; a promoter's dream! (or a way for Amy to underwrite this site? We'd buy memorabilia!) A properly suited Darcy, talking key lines at the push of a button cleverly adorning his vest, might not be ready for this Christmas, though.
: : I know! Let's each and all take a favorite picture of Darcy and get a shirt (sweat or T) or coffee cup made!! Any ideas for a good logo-text to go with the picture?
: : Maybe: "MY DEAREST, LOVELIEST (FILL IN YOUR NAME)"
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: Wonderful idea.
: I think we all know which picture would be used the most.
: I liked the one Amy used "I would by no means suspend any pleasure of yours" or something like that.
: Mich
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I will also love to have a P&P2 calendar to get me through
1997. What do you all think ?
Zimei
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Posted by Ann on November 07, 1996 at 14:07:18:
: Adeles mom's name was Celine Verone who was a french opera singer. He took in Adele when her mother died
: Dina
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I think I was right the first time. Celine Varens may still have been alive. From Jane Eyre Chapter 15:
Rochester: "Some years after I had broken with the mother, she abandond her child and ran away to Italy with a musician or singer."
Ann
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Posted by Saman on November 07, 1996 at 14:08:22:
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: : Amy --
: : Back to your naming dilemma -
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: : how about soyoushall.com
It must be the fact that I have just finished exams, because I had to read that twice before I got it ;)
: : Anne
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: Another good one. Actually I am most serious about one of your other nominations: Pemberley.com
: The place metaphor works so well with the virtual world
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I only just came across this because I have been studying very hard (I know, I've been posting bits and pieces too - what can I say this BB has been my sanctuary from the cruel world ;).
Anyway, back to the point, I love the idea of Pemberley.com - I agree with Amy about the place metaphor. Plus the fact that I often find sites by accident, and P&P fans would be curious if they stumbled across that address. It certainly happens all the time on one of my favourite sites which uses a TV show's fictitious location as its name (no I'm not going to tell you which one, it's far too embarrassing!).
Sorry to ramble on, but this is the first time in weeks that I've been able to read all of the messages without the thought of exams looming - I am free for 4 months - yippeee!!
Saman's mind has left the building - thank you and goodnight.
Saman
Posted by Ann on November 07, 1996 at 14:16:03:
: I just saw American Friends on Tuesday. Did you like it? Jonathan Firth looked younger in it than in Middlemarch.
: Cordially,
: Raphael
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It was a little slow, but good. The date on it is 1991, so Firth should look quite a bit younger. I didn't think the resemblence was very strong, a little something in the eyes perhaps.
Ann
Posted by Ann on November 07, 1996 at 14:18:20:
: : Amy,
: : Maybe Mich's idea of the Darcy Doll could be sold here to generate some revenue?
: : - Candace
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: I'd buy one!
: Cheryl
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I like the idea of a coffee cup. Perhaps one that changes when hot from "The Look" to the wet-look when they meet at Pemberley.
Ann
Posted by Annie on November 07, 1996 at 14:27:47:
: : : : I have often wondered what Mr Darcy would be called in private. Mr Darcy? Darcy? Fitzwilliam? Fitz? William?
: : : : Another Anne
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: : : Myself I prefer Darcy - Fitzwilliam is *too* confusing (what were his parents thinking of), Mr is too formal, Fitz too twee (besides being a polite way of saying 'bastard of'), William is incorrect. Maybe we should come up with a middle name for him, historically inaccurate though it be.
: : : Anna
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: : How about "Ralph?"
: : - K
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: Or, maybe "Frank" ?
: - K
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I was laughing out loud at all of the names that have been suggested to call Darcy, but quite honestly, he'll always be just Darcy to me!
Annie
Posted by Hilary on November 07, 1996 at 14:28:02:
: : Maybe: "MY DEAREST, LOVELIEST (FILL IN YOUR NAME)"
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: Wonderful idea.
: I think we all know which picture would be used the most.
: I liked the one Amy used "I would by no means suspend any pleasure of yours" or something like that.
: Mich
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These sound like good additions to my sumptuos package a while ago. You could have 'On pleasure bent again'. Of course we would have to have passed the 'come out, come out, where-ever you are' stage to have the gall to wear such a T-shirt. Another idea: I'm a puppet maker....
Hilary
Posted by Dina on November 07, 1996 at 14:48:03:
Where does one see these scenes?
Dina
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Posted by Hilary on November 07, 1996 at 14:53:00:
: : Let's hope the students never hear of your new Internet title.
: Grace
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I'm keeping really quite, while being secretly rather chuffed. You know... mild mannered teacher by day but...looks around for telephone booth... I have one friend who will really appreciate this, though.
Actually the kids I teach are little, usually lower primary, and they probably wouldn't understand, even if they listened long enough to hear. I'm not generally so harsh on kids -I think they are great - but its a disadvantaged school, and a lot of them are unbelievably naughty.
BTW my son refers to me as Cybermum!
The Dagmistress, or Daginator
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Posted by Eric on November 07, 1996 at 15:01:26:
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: : : : : : Depends on whether or not you like port.
: : : : : I do - if it's good port, and in winter (or any time of the year in England).
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: : : : : :If you've never had it, don't. Stick to starboard.
: : : : : : Eric
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: : : : : ?? what's starboard ??
: : : : : Anna (posting from subtropical Australia)
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: : : : OK OK - after 2 cups of coffee now I get it... and here was I thinking starboard was an exotic US liqour!
: : : : Anna
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: : :Earlier message didn't print everything above - my error. It should read as follows
: : Sorry. Perhaps I should have announced it and written something more like: "BAD PUN COMING! Stick to starboard." That way people would have known before coffee. ;->
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: No, why spoil it? - You provided a convenient marker of the onset of brain function for the day !
: Anna
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In that event, madam, I am happy to be of service and shall endeavor to be equally obtuse in the future.
;)
Eric
Posted by Eric on November 07, 1996 at 15:12:45:
: : : : To say that Lizzy is a "sellout" or a father-figure-worshipping Elektra is erroneous and unfair. "Selling out" is a modern feminist notion which has suffered in the inevitable fallout experienced when all "progressive" deconstructions are reconstructed for what they're actually worth. In other words, no philosophy can provide an answer for everyone's true happiness (big surprise, right?). Lots of women (and men!) I know realize that the stress and disorientation that they feel in their lives are a result of working too hard, planning too much, second-guessing too much, and neglecting familial and personal relationships. Worthy relationships with friends, family, and significant others are the matrix of happiness.
: : : : What bugs me about the whole Freudian-pseudofeminist argument discussed above is that, applied to Lizzy, it really doesn't fit. How can she be considered a "sellout" when her marriage does not violate her own principles? As Janet stated, Lizzy DOES want to get married, but to the right guy. If she had accepted Mr. Collins, she would have violated her own principles and perhaps general notions of personal integrity. But she didn't - she rejected him ON THE SPOT when she knew she might never get another offer of marriage again. Lizzy might be considered a sellout according to modern principles of personal liberty and integrity not simply by the fact that she partakes of marriage, but because she chooses to marry at all in a society in which we view the institution of marriage as restrictive and the reasons behind marriage as invidious (i.e. economic and other security purposes). If this were the case, than all marriage, at least in that place and era, would be an unethical - if not immoral - propagation of sexism and fascism, which is ridiculous. It makes more sense to say that SOME marriages, then and now, violate modern notions of liberty, but then this would not apply to Lizzy as she marries for the right reasons (love, respect) instead of the wrong ones (goldbrickiness, naivite, foolishness). She is in control of her decision, and is not aspiring to marriage for her own material comfort nor for that of her family. What's more, how can we possibly obligate ancient women to modern notions of "principle"? Heck, even Mary Wollstonecraft spent most of her life mooning over pissy men.
: : : : As far as the paternalism argument, specifically, I think the terminology re: marriage to a man more powerful, potent, strong, than any man she's known (i.e. her father) is misleading. Why shouldn't ELizabeth marry a strong man? Why should Mr. Darcy's strengths be a reason for her to reject him? True, Mr. Bennet's word choice regarding the type of man Lizzy would need to marry seem to fit with the paternalism argument - "better" than Lizzy is what he says - but I think the context of his terms suggests otherwise. After all, Mr. Darcy is older and a great deal more experienced in life than Elizabeth is. She is young, and after all, was quick to condemn him unfairly while he, despite his proud front, loved her from close to the beginning.
: : : : Despite all of this, the two of them view eachother as equals - they learn from eachother, which sets the tone for their marriage. They demonstrate that they deserve each other (here we go again). Why shouldn't Elizabeth be allowed to marry someone who has proven that he deserves her, she being perhaps the most remarkable young woman in literature? Elizabeth deserves to be happy with the choices she makes. How can she be in violation of herself if she is happily married with someone she respects and who respects her? As far as Darcy being the Saviour and Elizabeth the saved, I disagree. Whoever said that it is Elizabeth who saves Darcy from his own darkish little existence is absolutely right. In fact, they save eachother!
: : : : I'm a firm believer that marriage in E and D's situation is one in which two people are the complementary halves of a single positive force. Healthy marriage is a partnership, a state of happiness and fulfillment which transcends sexual politics and defies feminist deconstructionism and Freud's overactive imagination.
: : : : Mr. Darcy can render me barefoot and pregnant any day,
: : : : K
: : : : P.S. Would you believe that I wrote this whole damn thing out once before, then Netscape crashed, and so I had to retype the freaking message again? I hope somebody reads this, for what it's worth! ;-}
: : :
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I can't say I agree with everything you said - being male, I sometimes like the paternalist fascism of which my sex is so often accused these days ;-) Nevertheless, the conclusions are generally correct.
I do have one question in these regards, however. Was Charlotte a "sell-out" then? Your argument above tends to suggest she was and I wonder if you intend that suggestion.
Eric
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Posted by Janet on November 07, 1996 at 15:15:59:
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: : : : : : : : No, but I might eat the cat.
: : : : : : : : - K
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: : : : : : : Cute. You must not be as compulsive as some of us -- about this anyway. I suppose you will have to be a little compulsive in other positive ways to succeed in law school. You are going to write one great brief, Kali.
: : : : : : : Amy
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: : : : : : Thanks! Actually, if left to my own devices, I would probably be exhibiting ultra-compulsive behaviour about the tapings at this point. Right now, honors thesis is forcing me to be compulsive about Upton Sinclair, the '34 CA gubernatorial race, and ag. laborism during the depression (borrrring). Otherwise, it would be P&P only - my first love!
: : : : : : - K
: : : : : : PS - Don't tell my cats about the above - please?!
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: : : : : Kali, are we back to cats again or is this just another obsession? (I finally noticed your post on yet another thread about the sly one.)
: : : : : : Janet
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: : : : Jane, Janet, Janet. Hee hee. I'm pretty sly myself! Yes, I love cats.
: : : : - K
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: : : Kali, Kali, Kat. Sly you are, and you keep on your toes, too. How do you do it - while studying law? I am impressed indeed.
: : : : Janet
: : P.S. I don't really sound like Jane, do I? Agreed, she was sweet, but...
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: No, you have a sharp, witty edge which Jane lacked. But that doesn't mean that you aren't as nice as Jane. As I told Tommye above, I'm not in law school yet - I'm still a senior at Berkeley. I'm applying to law school right now. I'll keep you posted as the decisions come in. THanks for the encouragement!
: - K : )
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Kali, I wish you all the best. Please do keep us 'posted.' The law could use a bit of humanity, wit and charm which you clearly possess.
Thanks for the reassurance re: Jane. While she may have been held up as a standard for all to follow, we came to see how she fell short in a few areas. Do you think that is yet another of the balloons burst in P&P? In a way, the same was true of many characters who on the surface might be considered by society to be upstanding denizens worthy of admiration - including Lady C., the Bingley sisters (and Bingley), the Bennets, Charlotte and the Lucases, and (heaven forbid) Mr. Collins in his capacity as a clergy. They were all shown to be (surprise?) less than perfect in some way despite expectations. Then Lizzy and Darcy who began as ill-favored by some, turned out to be the stars? Just another thought...
: Janet
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Posted by Eric on November 07, 1996 at 15:19:38:
: : Arnessa just emailed me with the same question. Thanks for asking. Deal is a have a personal account, and don't get charged extra at the moment but that could change soon. First, I think I will try to work out a trade deal with my ISP. I sometimes teach seminars for them. Another possibility is advertising. We don't get mega hits but we are women and we buy things. We are a coveted demo.
: : Amy
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: : Amy, you should not have to be trading your services for this. It would still be money out of your pocket. Please let us find some way to contribute. Grace
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We are not all women, and those of us who aren't also buy things. I do, however, find the burgeoning business of Internet advertisements distasteful. Such connections are decidedly beneath you.
I appreciate your service and creativity. I am grateful for the opportunity to "meet" some of the very interesting people who have gathered about this idea of yours and this screenplay of Mr. Davies. If there should ever be any cost in regards to it, I would be happy to contribute to off-set your expenses. Not charity, not fee-for-service, but gratitude is the decisive motive.
Eric
Posted by Janet on November 07, 1996 at 15:25:35:
: You may also want to talk to your phone service provider. While talking to InterNet America support last night (regarding the appalling response) I mentioned that my connection kept dropping. He said that he complained to his phone service and they did something to clean up the line.
: Noisy or bad phone lines will cause you to drop.
: Anne
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I'm just curious to which appalling response you refer? Please note that I shall attempt to omit previous messages if possible when responding, per Amy's suggestion.
: Janet
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