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Posted by Anne on November 07, 1996 at 00:22:31:
: Most was innuendo and play-on-words -- but was a subject that I had been pondering and wanting to bring
: : up. :-J
: : Anne
: ok I'm game
: did you want to know what the daggy thread was about
: did you want "clarity" on the subject? PG-13 of course.
No, no -- I *got* it (even from the one or two bits read).
I can understand the PG-13 though PG-13 gets into
Posted by Anne on November 07, 1996 at 00:33:58:
: The Dagmistress
Hilary -- ROFLOL
Posted by Anne on November 07, 1996 at 00:45:21:
I was coming out of the theatre after watching Mel Gibson in Hamlet and 2 teenagers behind me were talking. One says to the other: "There sure are a lot of famous quotes in that movie" What are these kids reading in sophomore english?!?! B
That's like when I saw Romeo & Juliet at the theater (back in '69) and there was someone of college age that was upset at the end of the movie because they died!! During the movie she kept saying "She'll wake up. She'll wake up" before Romeo killed himself. I felt like turning around and saying "They died! They always die!"
Posted by Another Anne on November 07, 1996 at 00:49:47:
One of my favourite scenes is where Lady Catherine comes to see Lizzie. However, there is something in the dialogue which I am 'at a loss to understand.'
Twice Lizzie notes that Lady Catherine has believed the proposal to be impossible. "If you believed it to be impossible..." and "Your ladyship has declared it to be impossible." And yet the line in the book where Lady Catherine says "...though I would not injure him so much as to suppose the truth of it possible, [I instantly resolved on setting out for this place...]" has been omitted. Since most of the scene is straight from the book, this seems an odd line to leave out.
Another comment: I enjoy the way that certain pieces of music are associated with certain characters. I am afraid my knowledge of the source of the music is sadly lacking, but there is that frivolous little piece everytime Mr Collins makes as entrance, and the rather ominous bit whenever Lady Catherine is in the offing.
Posted by Anne on November 07, 1996 at 00:49:50:
: Dune and Dune Messiah are at the very top of my favorite book list! They are wonderful!
I loved the entire Dune series except Chapterhouse
(the last one). Science fiction is one of my other obsessions. Find a series and go crazy. Just finished the David Eddings series, the Mercedes Lackey series, and all of the McCaffrey books.
Posted by Candace on November 07, 1996 at 00:49:59:
: : Absolutely, and if she is silly enough to agree to this scheme, then on her head be the consequences.
: : Bernie
: But, in Lydia's defense, I must say that *this* is not the scheme she agreed to- she did believe that he was going to marry her. Although not toher credit is her statement that it didn't matter exactly when it would take place, but it was clearly her intention and clearly *not* Wickham's. It does make me wonder though, would she still have gone with him even if he didn't promise to marry her? She is stupid, but is she irretrievably stupid?
Oh, I'm very sure that Wickham led her belive that a marriage would take place. Have you not ever know a man to lie to reach his "objective"?
Posted by Anne on November 07, 1996 at 01:04:22:
My server says it's not their problem so I guess it's mine. (I have already switched servers but still have the same trouble.) Does anyone know a solution for this other than speed reading/typing
: : : Janet
When we first got our modem and internet connection it was always disconnecting, and the solution for us is to unplug the other two phone sockets in the house, when we're going on the net.
You may also want to talk to your phone service provider. While talking to InterNet America support last night (regarding the appalling response) I mentioned that my connection kept dropping. He said that he complained to his phone service and they did something to clean up the line.
Noisy or bad phone lines will cause you to drop.
Posted by Candace on November 07, 1996 at 01:04:35:
: While I don't necessarily disagree with the responses, I nevertheless see the possibility of conflict in Elizabeth and Darcy's future (not serious, they will generally be very happy, I believe). I can see that the personalities might lead to some fights--and Darcy has the habit of command and the law and convention on his side. I can imagine Elizabeth fuming privately to herself that he still has "a selfish disdain for the feelings of others," as a result of winning the verbal debate but losing the overall argument. This will be the result of Elizabeth's being a wife. I love Darcy (and especially since January have been daydreaming about the nice physical form he can now take in the mind!), but I can bet that he was sometimes a difficult husband and Elizabeth forced to take "his judgment, information and knowledge of the world," whether she really wanted to or not. IMHO
Ah, but Lizzie has the hammer!
Posted by Joan, too on November 07, 1996 at 01:21:26:
: Is there more deception lurking in P&P? [snip] I don't recall a letter from Mr. B to hurry her return as she claimed, and Maria et al seemed visibly surprised by this (apparent falsehood?). More shocking was her refusal to cow-tow to Lady C. as usual.
While there may or may not have been an actual letter from her father, it was true that he eagerly awaited her return. In Chapter 27 (before Lizzie's departure for Hunsford) "The only pain was in leaving her father, who would certainly miss her, and who, when it came to the point, so little liked her going, that he told her to write to him, and almost promised to answer her letter."
I think that the shock registered by Maria et al was to the fact that Lizzie dared to go against the wishes of Lady C. They would have been equally shocked even if she had an actual letter in hand to show to Lady C.
Posted by Joan, too on November 07, 1996 at 01:24:22:
: : Also couldn't he have know he would get a laugh? Would it be so out of character for him, among his intimates, to play to the room?
: : Amy
: I hear that he is lively enough in other places.
And he is also known to be willing to speak when he has something to say that will amaze the whole room... ;-)
Posted by Candace on November 07, 1996 at 01:25:48:
Thank you, my friends! Without you, I never would have known that
there were missing scenes, let alone the commercial free broadcast
this morning. I now know, however, that I've watched my original
tape so much that I know exactly where each commercial break is.
Out of habit, I kept reaching for the remote to fast forward.
To Grace: I very was surprised while watching the full screen of
credits, that the person in charge of consistancy was a woman (Sue Clegg).
Do you think that we could have done a better job with Mr. Firth's
consistancy of sides. I think that I would have liked that task
very well indeed! :-)
Posted by Candace on November 07, 1996 at 01:33:53:
Hi Everyone --
Kali, Mich, and I have made plans to meet for Tea in San Francisco on Saturday, December 21, 1996.
We would be most happy if any of you would also like to join us. Please RSVP to my E-mail by
Hope to hear from you,
Posted by Joan, too on November 07, 1996 at 01:37:23:
: No, why spoil it? - You provided a convenient marker of the onset of brain function for the day !
Thank you, Anna, for the best laugh so far this week! :-)
Posted by Candace on November 07, 1996 at 01:44:20:
: Another comment: I enjoy the way that certain pieces of music are associated with certain characters. I am afraid my knowledge of the source of the music is sadly lacking, but there is that frivolous little piece everytime Mr Collins makes as entrance, and the rather ominous bit whenever Lady Catherine is in the offing.
Have you also noticed that when Mr. Collins is humming, it seems that he himself is humming this little ditty?
Posted by Candace on November 07, 1996 at 01:49:16:
: Arnessa just emailed me with the same question. Thanks for asking. Deal is a have a personal account, and don't get charged extra at the moment but that could change soon. First, I think I will try to work out a trade deal with my ISP. I sometimes teach seminars for them. Another possibility is advertising. We don't get mega hits but we are women and we buy things. We are a coveted demo.
Maybe Mich's idea of the Darcy Doll could be sold here to generate some revenue?
Posted by Mich on November 07, 1996 at 01:51:19:
: : Most was innuendo and play-on-words -- but was a subject that I had been pondering and wanting to bring
: : : up. :-J
: : : Anne
: : ___________________
: : ok I'm game
: : did you want to know what the daggy thread was about
: : or
: : did you want "clarity" on the subject? PG-13 of course.
: : Mich
: No, no -- I *got* it (even from the one or two bits read).
: I can understand the PG-13 though PG-13 gets into
: much worse.
: Anne :-)
True true. maybe we are somewhere in between.
Posted by Zimei on November 07, 1996 at 01:58:46:
: : At the beginning of episode 1, Lizzy was chatting with Jane in
: : Jane's bedroom, she made the following remarks:
: : "If I could love a man who would love me enough to take
: : me for a mere 50 pounds a year, I should be well pleased
: : ... but such a man can hardly be sensible, you know I can
: : never love a man without his wits."
: : Zimei
: I took this as half in jest: A man who'd marry me with only 50 pounds a year must be dim-witted.. therefore I wouldn't want him ...therefore I'll never marry.
: The remark is witty, but Lizzy is also realistically assessing the difficulties of their situation and making a point: Men will have to marry the Bennet girls for love, because they don't have any money. And she would be flattered to be so loved (a foreshadowing of future events)..
Paula, I like this interpretation much better, and it also fits Lizzy's witty charater well.
Somehow I just can not believe that Lizzy will seriously think a man marrying down financially is insensible, that's just so out of her character! although given her intellegence she well understands the big role the economic reality plays in marriges, and to certain extent accepts the compromises people often make for such reasons (this explains, as Joan,too pointed out, her attitute towards Wichahm's pursuing Mary King).
Lizzy herself, as well as all her sisters, will have only $1,000 pounds after Mr. B dies. $1,000 pounds will have $50 interest a year, so it's not a too far-fetched situation for her. Suppose she only meets Darcy then, I'm sure the Darcy/Lizzy love story will still happen. Will she really think Darcy being insensible?
Different scenario: suppose Lizzy falls in love with Colonel Fitzwilliam instead of Darcy, and Colonel Fitzwilliam also loves her enough to settle with her on a modest living, I don't think Lizzy would be the one to flinch at thoughts of marrying an insensible men without wits.
Posted by Joan, too on November 07, 1996 at 02:06:44:
:I enjoy the way that certain pieces of music are associated with certain characters. I am afraid my knowledge of the source of the music is sadly lacking, but there is that frivolous little piece everytime Mr Collins makes as entrance, and the rather ominous bit whenever Lady Catherine is in the offing.
Those little pieces of music associated with each character come to us via the talent of Carl Davis, who wrote them, and I, too, like them very well indeed.
Posted by Candace on November 07, 1996 at 02:22:41:
: Sorry, I am not Anika - and I am definitely not 14 - but neither are you nuts. If you haven't already tried, perhaps you could watch the video with your son to peak his interest. If his school has a suggested (or required) reading list, perhaps you could suggest that P&P (and others) be added to the list. It may help if other children are doing the same. You are right that it would be a great advantage for him to read and try to understand as much as possible from books in general, including those involving or of interest to girls and women.
: My son is only 8-1/2 and he has seen P&P1 and 2 with me and listened to my home-made audio recordings of P&P2 which we play in the car - with his friends in our carpool who find it fun. He's not quite ready for the book, but he read The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe in the past 4 days, so it won't be long before he's ready. We did get through Little Women and the recent movie together. I hope to see him read all the classics, not just Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer but Anne of Green Gables and Heidi, all of which I bought him for Christmas.
: Since my son is not a teenager yet I may have more influence for awhile, but I am humble enough to see how it may become more difficult to talk sense in a few years. If you have any advise for me I would appreciate it, too. Good luck!
: : Janet
When my son was 8, he too was interested in my interests. Sadly when he turned 13 (he will be 14 in February), he seemed to start this "What is a man?" thing. Although my husband (his male role model)is not a sterio-typical male (please excuse my sexism here - he was the "House Spouse" while I worked full time when our son was a baby and sees things as "people" responsibilities not male or female roles.), my son is very concious of what he percieves as "girl" stuff and "guy" stuff. He thinks that girls like "Macho" and wants very much to attract girls! That is why I was requesting the opinion of a 14 year old girl. He does not believe me.
Posted by Cheryl on November 07, 1996 at 02:33:09:
: I was so depressed about the election this morning. Luckily I had a bit of free time to watch again episode 1 of my favorite miniseries. It was quite a comfort to me.
Take care, Kathy, there are quite a few people who are quite happy about the election results. We have tried very hard to keep the partisan political remarks off the BB.
That being said, I too, take great comfort in watching P&P2 when depressed. Glad you are feeling better.
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