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Posted by Johanne on November 06, 1996 at 21:37:19:
What is Bingley looking when Caroline and Lizzie are taking a turn around the room? He seems to be in another world.
a certiain young lady sleeping upstairs?!! :-)
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Quite possibly, although it last quite a looooonng tiiimmme. Part of the decor. By the way, anybody notic Ms Bingley new found interest in books, which she discarts rather quickly. And there Darcy. Usualy when he is annoyed or concerned at something, his left hand's reaching/brushing his mouth. How interesting it happens when Miss Duckface (love her nickname) leans smoothly to see (yea, yea) what he is reading. Well interpreted, even in body language.
Johanne
Posted by Grace on November 06, 1996 at 21:42:25:
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: : Also, did you ever get the Bernard Taylor CD you wanted?
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: I ordered the CD this week -- I should be getting it within the next week or so... I can't wait! Thank you for asking! -Alicia
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: Be sure to let us know your opinion. Hope you enjoy it as much as I do. Grace
Posted by Inko on November 06, 1996 at 21:43:31:
: I belong to the "book before film" school of thought, though I am mostly diappointed in hollywood's attempts at interpretation. When Jane Eyre came out a few months ago I felt like I was watching the Cliff Notes!! I have found that the "less hollywood" productions seem to be my favorites. Most of them seem to be BBC actually.
: Dina
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Dina, I agree with you about Hollywood's interpretations. That's why I've never really been in favor of P&P0 (the Olivier one) because they changed Lady C's part in the story, as well as the period, of course. Even the movie "Emma" I thought was more like Cliff notes vignettes; there was no character development in anyone except Emma and her father was nearly obliterated from the film. "The English Patient" is a movie, opening nationwide in the U.S. on November 15. I'm looking forward to seeing the TV version of Emma written by Andrew Davies - I want to see if I'll like it better than the movie.
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Posted by Ann on November 06, 1996 at 21:56:03:
I discoved another link in our P&P chain:
The movie American Friends, with Colin's brother Johnathan, has a Director of Photography by the name of Philip Bohnam-Carter.
Another relation?? Anybody know if he's related to Crispin or Helena? How many Bohnam-Carters are there?
Ann
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Posted by Grace on November 06, 1996 at 21:57:49:
: : Bordering on Daggy? After reading last night's threads, I think we have gone way past Daggy and will have to ask Hilary for new terminology. Grace
Today's teaching might inspire great thoughts in this direction.
: The Dagmistress
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: Let's hope the students never hear of your new Internet title.
Grace
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Posted by Ann on November 06, 1996 at 21:58:32:
: Adele's mother was a French dancer who died;
: Inko
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Did she die? I thought she just ran off, leaving Adele behind.
Ann
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Posted by Joan, too on November 06, 1996 at 22:02:22:
: Bernie:
: This doggy thread is just driving me nuts!!! I checked last night, and at Pemberley I think the smaller brown skinny dog is a whippet and the larger skinny black and white one is a greyhound. This shot is so short, that it's difficult to really tell what kind of dogs they are.
Yes - too short and too dark!
: Anyway, I went on a hunt to see if I could dredge up any information on the types of dogs that landed gentlemen had at that time. This is what I came up with. Most estates had several hunting dogs -- the speed merchants, such as whippets and greyhounds for chasing the prey, and the bird dogs.
According to my doggie compendium, both greyhounds and dalmations were considered very fashionable during the 19th century. In 19th century England dalmatians became known as carriage dogs because they were trained to trot alongside a carriage or sit beside the driver. In America this association led to its fame as a firehouse dog, accompanying the firemen in their horse-drawn fire engines. (But the Netherfield dog does not, after all, appear to be a dalmatian.) Great Danes also became "big" but toward the end of the century. And of course sporting dogs of all types were kept by gentlemen.
Joan, too
Posted by Ann on November 06, 1996 at 22:08:11:
: "The English Patient" is a movie, opening nationwide in the U.S. on November 15.
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Actually it only opens in LA and NY on the 15, it goes
nationwide on Nov 22. On the 22 there are at least two other
major openings: Arnolds' Christmas comedy Jingle Bells
(filmed here in the Twin Cities) and the new Star Trek movie
First Contact. Busy day at the Cineplex!
Ann
Posted by Arnessa on November 06, 1996 at 22:10:41:
Congratulations! And please don't say you made only one entry to the sweepstakes. Then I'll really be ashamed to say how much time I spent filling out those little boxes.
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Posted by Grace on November 06, 1996 at 22:16:53:
: : Masts were up, everyone was imbibing starboard while fixating on doggies and plotting polygamy in Australia!
: : Booking my flight to Australia, Grace
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: The image I get of polygamous Australia is all of us in the pelises someone suggested for the performance of your Henry song, Grace. It is set in a castle like the women's community in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
: Amy
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: Sort of like the old Robert Palmer video, Addicted to Love??..... With the bevy of spandex-clad beauties in the background?? .....But do pelises come in spandex?
Grace
P.S. Can I still do background vocals even though I don't know the Encyclopedia tune?
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Posted by Joan, too on November 06, 1996 at 22:26:56:
: Nancy R:
: could you see Lizzy as a governess?? I think in the book it was suggested that their education was up to each daughter. She read what and if she wanted. I don't think she would be qualified to be a governess.
Well, she seems to be the best qualified of the Bennet sisters - though I realize that this is faint praise indeed considering the competition. [grin] And she herself makes fun of teaching Jane's 10 children to play their instruments very ill. Probably could not get a situation as a governess unless to Jane's children.
: Why not just go to Cheapside and marry one of Uncle G's business friends. I would be a step down from marrying a Gentleman, but would it not be considered better than being a governess? A man "in trade" would gain in prestige by marrying a gentleman's daughter and probably would mind the 50 pounds a year (interest on a 1000 pounds) less. What is your own opinion?
She gets on so well with the Gardiners - I would think she would infinitely prefer this (assuming that she felt herself to be in love with said businessman) to life with a Mr. Collins or a pre-Lizzified Darcy.
Joan, too
Posted by Grace on November 06, 1996 at 22:31:27:
: : : : : It does not appear that Lydia needed too much encouragement to go to bed!
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: : : : I was surprised we went as long as we did without someone making a crack about sex. This _is_ the Bed Thread, after all! ;-}
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: : : I know, but as we come from a very refined and polished society, we wouldn't deign to comment on such a topic.
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: : : Another immortal line from Cheryl. Wasn't it she who gave us that other classic: 'Never underestimate the speed of a motivated man'???
: : Still laughing, Grace
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: Sorry all, for stooping to the obvious, but we were all thinking it and it needed to be said! Usually Grace or Hilary beat me to the risque punch (if you will pardon the expression) but they were able to show remarkable restraint on this occasion, whereas I did not. ;-)
: Cheryl
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: Risque punch? Would that be made with port or starboard? Should we consult Eric?
Grace
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Posted by Anne on November 06, 1996 at 22:50:13:
I've looked in London and in the U.S. as well as the Internet Bookshop, but no luck.
: Inko
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Inko - you're in the UK correct? If so, would you eMail me
at pro1@airmail.net? Thanks.
Anne
Posted by Joan, too on November 06, 1996 at 22:55:28:
: Why not she could have made it up.
: Here another thing when Lady C. didn't like the idea of Lizzie and Maria going home alone Do you think Lizzie actullay lied about her uncle sending a servant just to get out of there, because Lydia and Kitty did say their coming to meet them was a surprised.
: Thanks Donna
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I don't think she'd have dared tease Darcy with a made-up quote - that would certainly have backfired on her. He was not one to sit by and let others put words into his mouth.
I'm sure that the manservant was real - he was to accompany them once they left Mr. Collins' own conveyance and changed over to the Post. Kitty and Lydia met them at the place where the Post stops to change horses. (The manservant would most probably have sat with the driver outside the coach, so we wouldn't see him inside).
Joan, too
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Posted by Anne on November 06, 1996 at 22:59:57:
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Just to be on the safe side, I set two recorders to catch it this morning. I heard them go on and off again so guess I got the first video. Will watch it before next week, just to make sure it is ok (ok, right, it's an excuse!!). Will give one of the tapes to my sister.
Anne
Posted by Janet on November 06, 1996 at 23:30:45:
: : Lizzie does take over the mothering role. Do you think Mrs. B. notices this and feels resentful towards Lizzie at times. I feel it at certain times that she does resent Lizzie.
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: She does resent Lizzy, but not because Lizzy takes over some of the parenting duties (I think Mrs. Bennet is relieved at that). Lizzy is her father's favorite and has his quick wit where Mrs. B. is dull, she uses humor to cope with life's worries where Mrs. B. obsesses (very aggravating), she obeys but is not pliant as Jane is, she obviously doesn't respect her mother. I wonder if Mrs. B. deep down knows that Lizzy is a much superior person and if this contributes to her resentment?
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I love to see Mrs. B dead in her tracks, when she is outstaged or unaware of what's going on. Granted, it was not exactly difficult to get her goat. One example which comes to mind is when Mr. B read the letter from Mr. Collins before his visit to Longbourn. She just stared at him like a dull blank stonewall. She obviously could not follow any of what was happening and was stupefied. Then once she finally put it together her one-track mind was set in place to snare Mr. Collins. At least we can say she was all determination in wanting her chicks to have a nest of their own, not that she was of any help in the matter.
: Janet
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Posted by Anne on November 06, 1996 at 23:49:54:
Did anyone see Georgina throw rose petals at Lizzie, leaving a couple stuck to her chest. Great stuff.
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I was wondering what was on Lizzy's chest - wasn't in the picture in the book.
Anne
Posted by Hilary on November 07, 1996 at 00:12:46:
: : : : : : It does not appear that Lydia needed too much encouragement to go to bed!
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: : : : : I was surprised we went as long as we did without someone making a crack about sex. This _is_ the Bed Thread, after all! ;-}
: : : : : - K
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: : : : I know, but as we come from a very refined and polished society, we wouldn't deign to comment on such a topic.
: : : :Bernie
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: : : : Another immortal line from Cheryl. Wasn't it she who gave us that other classic: 'Never underestimate the speed of a motivated man'???
: : : Still laughing, Grace
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: : Sorry all, for stooping to the obvious, but we were all thinking it and it needed to be said! Usually Grace or Hilary beat me to the risque punch (if you will pardon the expression) but they were able to show remarkable restraint on this occasion, whereas I did not. ;-)
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: : Risque punch? Would that be made with port or starboard? Should we consult Eric?
: Grace
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LOL! I was actually wandering down another track: wondering if you would all think me a real (counter)pain if I asked Kali if she had instead meant the Bed Thpread. But if you're throwing punches around I'll keep quiet.
Hilary
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Posted by Anne on November 07, 1996 at 00:15:45:
: My son is only 8-1/2 ...he read The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe in the past 4 days, so it won't be long before he's ready. We did get through Little Women and the recent movie together. I hope to see him read all the classics, not just Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer but Anne of Green Gables and Heidi, all of which I bought him for Christmas.
: Since my son is not a teenager yet I may have more influence for awhile, but I am humble enough to see how it may become more difficult to talk sense in a few years. If you have any advise for me I would appreciate it, too. Good luck!
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There was another series of books that I enjoyed when younger -- it was the series about the Pepper family (Five Little Peppers, Five Little Peppers and How They Grew, etc).
Louisa May Alcott also wrote another series of books (Rose in Bloom, Under the Lilac Bush, Seven Cousins...) as well as the entire series about the March family (Little Women, Little Men, Jo's Boys).
Anne
Posted by Another Anne on November 07, 1996 at 00:22:22:
: I'm sure that the manservant was real - he was to accompany them once they left Mr. Collins' own conveyance and changed over to the Post. Kitty and Lydia met them at the place where the Post stops to change horses. (The manservant would most probably have sat with the driver outside the coach, so we wouldn't see him inside).
: Joan, too
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In the book, Lizzie and Maria collected Jane from the Gardiners on their way back from Hunsford. There is something in the series seems odd to me: At supper Mr Bennet remarks "I am glad you are come back Lizzie. I am glad you are come back Jane." But in the book he only said, several times: "I am glad you are come back, Lizzie."
Anne
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