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Posted by The Mysterious H.C. on November 06, 1996 at 18:55:08:
: Hello, everyone. I have just been kicked off the Austen-L for daring to suggest that the list manager shouldn't automatically exclude all AOL and Prodigy accounts just because one or two people from AOL and/or Prodigy were pests on the list.
: : Julie
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Mr. Walsh is notorious in being very sparse in his explanations for his actions, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if your expulsion had something to do with your message of September 12th in which you lashed out in all directions, and compared everybody who wanted to do something about the Destestable M--- J--- to repressive censoring Nazis.
By the way, people with AOL and Prodigy accounts weren't being excluded from what he said -- only new subscriptions were being blocked from these sites.
I hate to say this, but why should Mr. Walsh think you are a valuable member of the list, when you hardly ever post there, except with inflammatory or inaccurate comments, that can be interpreted as reflecting on his actions in managing the list? I hope you're not still proud of your posting of September 12th -- you never replied to an e-mail message I sent you about it, so I'm not e-mailing you now.
P.S. On another topic of correspondence between us, "Ganis" is the name of a sky-island in the 1976 science-fiction novel Walkers on the Sky, By David J. Lake.
Posted by Ann on November 06, 1996 at 19:08:24:
: (By the way, Georgianna is my next fav character. Anyone have a good pic of her?) My mother just noticed it recently...
: :Sarah2
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There is a really nice pic of her and her mom (Mrs. Gardiner) looking quite a bit like one another on pg. 18 of "Making of P&P".
Ann
Posted by Ann on November 06, 1996 at 19:13:20:
: : I'm thinking about applying for a credit card just so I can order P&P stuff ove the phone and internet!
: : Stefanie
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Please remember to be very careful when sending credit card numbers over the internet. A good hacker could get a hold of it and cause a great deal of trouble. It's best to order things over the phone (when you initiate the call--never give your number to someone who calls you).
Ann
Posted by Ann on November 06, 1996 at 19:20:24:
: Some I read first, either intentionally (as with The English Patient) so that I have a foundation for the movie or unintentionally (as with Dune) in that they finally make a movie out of a book that I enjoy.
: Anne
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Dune and Dune Messiah are at the very top of my favorite book list! They are wonderful!
Ann
Posted by ANn on November 06, 1996 at 19:31:14:
: I understand that Jennifer Ehle is wearing a wig. It was decided that Lizzy should be a brunnet tho Jane Austen never tells us her hair colour. Soooooooo what colour is Jennifer's hair really??
: Nancy R
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She's actually a blonde. When auditioning, she knew that they wanted a brunette, so before the screen test with the wig, she dyed her eyebrows and got the part.
Ann
Posted by Anna on November 06, 1996 at 19:38:45:
: : : As the original line is not in the book (thank you Joan for this confirmation, since I tried in vain to find it) - we may even conclude that Darcy may have never said it at all, and that the line was actually of Caroline's own invention. Davies may have trusted her as a source of famous quotations, but I wouldn't put anything past her.
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I can't see Miss Bingley misrepresenting Darcy to his face. He' the sort who would remember what he said, and object to incorrect imputation - particulary this one at this stage in the book (ie, he's very much in love with Lizzy, and if he'd never said it, he wouldn't have let Miss Bingley get away with asserting he did).
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: : Why not she could have made it up.
: : Here another thing when Lady C. didn't like the idea of Lizzie and Maria going home alone Do you think Lizzie actullay lied about her uncle sending a servant just to get out of there, because Lydia and Kitty did say their coming to meet them was a surprised.
: : Thanks Donna
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: Is there more deception lurking in P&P? I am not sure about the manservant, but there was a driver for the coach the sisters took from the Bell at Bormley to Longbourn which could have been dispatched by the Gardiners. I do think Lizzy invented her story about being urgently needed at home, though. I don't recall a letter from Mr. B to hurry her return as she claimed, and Maria et al seemed visibly surprised by this (apparent falsehood?). More shocking was her refusal to cow-tow to Lady C. as usual. In the film Lizzy's eagerness to 'get out of there' seems to be felt by Lady C as she glares at her with "I am most put out" (or something to that effect), but this is not in the book and seems to be a Davies' invention to further render her sour/dour.
: : Janet
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Myself I think Lizzy was telling the truth. She took a the post (presumably escorted by the Gardiner's man-servant as far as London, and then the mail coach to a town near Meryton, where Lydia met them. For some obscure regency reason an escort wasn't deemed necessary for the mail. We also see that Mr Bennet wasa very pleased to have Lizzy home - remeber that Jane was away too (this isn't as obvious in P&P2), and he would have had no rational company at home.
Anna
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Posted by Anna on November 06, 1996 at 19:44:54:
I agree that Mrs. B. did not like Lizzy (though I'm sure she loved her).
: Ann
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Yes, and I suspect that Lizzy felt ithe same way. I like the bit in P&P2 episode 5 when Lizzy is near the beginning of her letters and she sighs "Oh Mama..." as a response to Jane description of Mrs Bennet and the young Gardiners. This sounded to me like love and exasperation both.
Anna
Posted by Anna on November 06, 1996 at 19:51:00:
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: : : : : Depends on whether or not you like port.
: : : : I do - if it's good port, and in winter (or any time of the year in England).
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: : : : :If you've never had it, don't. Stick to starboard.
: : : : : Eric
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: : : : ?? what's starboard ??
: : : : Anna (posting from subtropical Australia)
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: : : OK OK - after 2 cups of coffee now I get it... and here was I thinking starboard was an exotic US liqour!
: : : Anna
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: :Earlier message didn't print everything above - my error. It should read as follows
: Sorry. Perhaps I should have announced it and written something more like: "BAD PUN COMING! Stick to starboard." That way people would have known before coffee. ;->
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No, why spoil it? - You provided a convenient marker of the onset of brain function for the day !
Anna
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Posted by Anna on November 06, 1996 at 19:57:15:
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: I understand that Jennifer Ehle is wearing a wig. It was decided that Lizzy should be a brunnet tho Jane Austen never tells us her hair colour. Soooooooo what colour is Jennifer's hair really??
: Nancy R
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Blond; see "The Making of Pride and Prejudice", or "The Camomile Lawn" (a movie in which Ehle played with her own hair - also including a full frontal shot, and no, she did not need a wonder bra for P&P2).
Anna
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Posted by Donna on November 06, 1996 at 20:16:29:
: Myself I think Lizzy was telling the truth. She took a the post. When JA says post she means the mail. If she gets as far as the town near Meryton it is ok. That makes sense
Thanks Anna, Donna
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Posted by Mich on November 06, 1996 at 20:30:15:
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: :Posted earlier this a.m., but for all of you who missed that round, I bring you "yet another look (or two)"...
: Sweet dreams, France
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You know I just read about a company that if you send them a picture of your child they will create a doll in that childs image.
Do you think they would make me a Darcy Doll? Life size?
ok I'm kidding I haven't gone completely over the edge. Just thinking about it.
Mich
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Posted by Inko on November 06, 1996 at 20:32:32:
: I haven't read the book in over 5 years, but wasn't Adele's mother the psycho living in the attic. From what I remember, Mr. Rochester could not marry Jane at first because his former wife, Adele's mother, was still alive. It was not until after the fire, when she did die, that they could marry.
: Please correct me if I'm wrong, I have a feeling that I might be getting confused with another novel.
: Stefanie
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Adele's mother was a French dancer who died; Rochester might or might not have been Adele's father (the mother had several lovers). The psycho in the attic was Rochester's wife - he married her when he was very young in Jamaica and didn't know about the madness in her family. She died during the fire (which she started) and at the end Jane could marry Rochester. I loved the book as a teenager as well as P&P, but have never liked Wuthering Heights very much. Last read Jane Eyre about five years ago, but have seen the Dalton and Welles versions. May have to rent the new one now!
Inko
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Posted by Inko on November 06, 1996 at 20:43:17:
: In the "sequel" "Pemberly Shades"
: Lizzy calls him Fitz and I think his sister calls him Fitzwilliam. All the rest call him Darcy or Mr. Darcy.
: Should they call a son Bennett Darcy? Ben Darcy?
: Nancy R
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Nancy R: Where did you find a copy of "Pemberley Shades" and is this the one by Dorothy Alice Bonavia-Hunt? I've been looking for a copy but since it was published in 1949 I thought it was out of print. I've looked in London and in the U.S. as well as the Internet Bookshop, but no luck.
Inko
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Posted by Joan, too on November 06, 1996 at 20:58:03:
: : Yes, but did these older non-relatives and relatives who were not actual aunts and uncles refer to you as their nieces?
: : Joan, too
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: No, Aunt Laura referred to me as her cousin's daughter, or sometimes as her cousin. Her son and I (3rd cousins and almost the same age) were close friends and she might occasionally say that "Linda is George's cousin". Maybe it's a southern.
: Linda
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Yes - but Jane calls her young cousins "my nieces and nephews" I can see them calling her Aunt Jane out of respect for her status as an adult, but for her to call them her nieces and nephews makes no sense to me.
Joan, too
Posted by Anna on November 06, 1996 at 21:01:42:
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: : Myself I think Lizzy was telling the truth. She took a the post. When JA says post she means the mail. If she gets as far as the town near Meryton it is ok. That makes sense
: Thanks Anna, Donna
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I'm afraid it's much more complicated than that.
"post" when travelling ment using rented horses (and you own or a rented carriage) for about 10 mile stretches, with mounted grooms dressed in red uniforms (as we see when Lady C arrives at Lonbourne) supplied by the inn the rented the horses to you. This was much faster than using your own horses as they didn't get as tired, but more expensive. This was how Lizzy and Maria got to London (maybe the manservant was to save them from the grooms???).
The Mail Coach was a private coach that contracted to carry the mail, and ran to a strict schedule and route. It could take fare paying passengers as well, was much cheaper than going post or using your own carriage and horses as you didn't need to own either, but you had to share with strangers, were more crowded and didn't get a door to door service (hence the meet in the market town). This was how Lizzy and Maria (and Jane in the novel) get from London to Hertfordshire.
Anna
Posted by Inko on November 06, 1996 at 21:07:29:
: : I thought she was the daughter of Joanna David (Mrs. Gardiner)
: : Ann
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: Ann, M of P&P book are pic. yes you are right. Donna
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Ann and Donna, Yes she's Joanna David's daughter and Edward Fox is her father. I've heard somewhere - can't remember where - that she's going to be in the remake of "Rebecca" as the young (new) Mrs. deWinter - Joan Fontaine's role in the old movie.
Inko
Posted by Joan, too on November 06, 1996 at 21:13:34:
: I was assuming you were at home, which you are. When we first got our modem and internet connection it was always disconnecting, and the solution for us is to unplug the other two phone sockets in the house, when we're going on the net.
: Hilary
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Oh, one other thing - if you have call waiting, that will also disconnect you. There's a code that you can dial into your phone to disable call waiting for just the duration of that call - check the phone company's directions in the front of the phone book.
Joan, too
Posted by Janet on November 06, 1996 at 21:22:26:
: As Lizzie says: "There are few people whom I really love and even fewer of whom I think well. The more I see of the world the more I am dissatisfied with it."
: Joan, too
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The indication is that Lizzie does not think well of most of the few people she loves. This would implicate her parents and sisters (except Jane), relatives, friends. A short list remains.
: Janet
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Posted by Joan, too on November 06, 1996 at 21:32:57:
: Zimei:
: I was just lurking on FoF site, and noticed the following info about two documentaries on P&P2:
: Perspectives on Pride and Prejudice, BBC Educational Development Unit, 1995. This set includes a 75 minute video with interviews including Colin Firth, a workbook and an audio cassette with excerpts of Jane Austen letters. (c)
: Pride and Prejudice: From Page to Screen. BBC documentary. 1995. This video is 28 minutes long and contains interviews mainly with Sue Birtwistle, Simon Langton and Andrew Davies, but also contains a few comments from Mr. Firth. (c)
: Has anybody seen them or got hold of them in US ?
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The second of these is the elusive "Making of" video, but I have had no luck locating even a PAL version. By the time I saw that reference in the FAQ, the links to the BBC info on those items had already expired and were not to be found. :-( (Maybe Bernie knows of a source?)
Joan, too
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Posted by Shelagh on November 06, 1996 at 21:37:04:
: : I thought Elizabeth Spriggs was excellent, as too were the performances of Pete Postlethwaite and Tom Wilkinson as Mr. Pecksniff -- now theres a name full of second meanings! In Middlemarch I thought Juliette Aubry and Rufus Sewell were superb. I haven't watched either for a while, so I will postpone my final verdict until I've watched both of thenm again.
: : Bernie
: : PS. Count me in on the R&V!
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: Yes. I adored Wilkinson and Postlethwaite both! They reminded me (especially the former) of Mr. Collins to a certain degree. Do you see the connection? "Capital, Capital!" (just like Sir William Lucas in P&P2).
: More links in our chain -- Wilkinson played Mr. Dashwood, who dies in the first two minutes, in S&S.
: Do you live in the UK? Is that where Chuzzlewit is available? Perhaps I could find it in the PBS mail-order catalog, though I doubt I could afford it right now. I'd much rather find it for rent.
: One of the refreshing things about Chuzzlewit is that it is much more ... airy and light than most Dickens (Little Dorritt or Oliver Twist, for example), despite numerous London filth scenes (Elizabeth Spriggs was never more greasy!). I have trouble with Dickens when he is too preoccupied with class struggle and industrial pollution.
: Cordially,
: Raphael
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Yes, Raphael - Chuzzlewit is definitely on video. I recorded
it from PBS (Masterpiece Theater) some months back and then I noticed the same version
in a video rental store. I am in Alberta, Canada. However, the rental store it was in
is a specialty type video store with many of these BBC films for rent. If you wish I
could give them a call and see what info they could give me on it.
Shelagh
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