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Posted by Tommye on November 06, 1996 at 18:08:57:
: : : : I have often wondered what Mr Darcy would be called in private. Mr Darcy? Darcy? Fitzwilliam? Fitz? William?
: : : : Another Anne
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: : : Myself I prefer Darcy - Fitzwilliam is *too* confusing (what were his parents thinking of), Mr is too formal, Fitz too twee (besides being a polite way of saying 'bastard of'), William is incorrect. Maybe we should come up with a middle name for him, historically inaccurate though it be.
: : : Anna
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: : How about "Ralph?"
: : - K
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: Or, maybe "Frank" ?
: - K
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Fitzy-pooh. Darcy-warcy. Sweet Mr. D.
::tommye
Posted by Donna on November 06, 1996 at 18:09:19:
: Just two days after I got kicked off the Austen-L, here's what i received in the mail:
: November 01, 1996
: Congratulations!
: Your A&E "Pride and Prejudice" entry has been selected as one of our 50 Second Prize winners in our "Pride and Prejudice" Sweepstakes. Now let A&E give you a royal treat.
: Enclosed please find Jane Austen's "Pride and Prejudice" video cassette collection for your viewing pleasure, valued at approximately $25.00.
: We thank you for tuning in to A&E, and we appreciate you entering our "Pride and Prejudice" Sweepstakes.
: Sincerely,
: Michael Tive
: Director of Promotions
: A&E Television Networks
: YIPEE! Of couse I already paid top $ for this video last year and i'm bummed to see it's only worth $25 now!
: Julie
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Julie, I think your gain is much better then your loss.
Sincere congratulations
ciao Donna
Posted by Paula on November 06, 1996 at 18:10:44:
If I were describing Duckface as Miss Bingley, one thing
: I could say with assurance and no fear of contradiction is that,
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Her nose does not want character.
This may be totally irrelevant, but do you think that British actresses seem to look different than American actresses? They have real noses (all the Americans have the same tiny nose) to me they look more like everyday people.
Less makeup maybe?
Paula
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Posted by Ann on November 06, 1996 at 18:12:02:
: she, herself, is mentally prepared to become a spinster governess rather than to marry without love.
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: I agree with your interpretation, but could you see Lizzy as a governess?? I think in the book it was suggested that their education was up to each daughter. She read what and if she wanted. I don't think she would be qualified to be a governess. Why not just go to Cheapside and marry one of Uncle G's business friends. I would be a step down from marrying a Gentleman, but would it not be considered better than being a governess? A man "in trade" would gain in prestige by marrying a gentleman's daughter and probably would mind the 50 pounds a year (interest on a 1000 pounds) less. What is your own opinion?
: Nancy R
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I think Lizzy meant that she would help Jane supervise Jane's daughter's education, not that she would hire herself out.
Ann
Posted by Amy on November 06, 1996 at 18:12:25:
: OK so U just Backspace everything you don't want.
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Right, Donna. Or get into the habit of using the computer for mroe than a typewriter by learning to highlight and delete a section. Highlight by dragging the mouse, or holding down the shift key whilst using the arrow or cursor keys.
(Donna, you are a pianist, right? Once you get a few basic keyboard shortcuts like this down pat, you can move on to the fancy stuff. Example: do cut/paste with SHIFT-DEL/SHIFT INSERT whilst selecting with your mouse. A very showy variation of this style is to cross your left hand over with a light little legato mouse click. It is an accomplishment of certain, but by no means all, refined societies.)
Amy
Posted by Ann on November 06, 1996 at 18:13:51:
: This may be totally irrelevant, but do you think that British actresses seem to look different than American actresses? They have real noses (all the Americans have the same tiny nose) to me they look more like everyday people.
: Less makeup maybe?
: Paula
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Less surgery maybe?
Ann
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Posted by Tommye on November 06, 1996 at 18:15:34:
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Hee hee. I'm pretty sly myself! Yes, I love cats.
: - K
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Hey, K. Did I tell you that I had four cats? Also, I didn't know you were in law school!
::Tommye
Posted by Janet on November 06, 1996 at 18:19:30:
: : : RE: I'd as soon call her mother a wit
: : : Ann suggested:
: : : There
: : : : is also a third interpretation--that he does not like to
: : : : admit, even perhaps to himself, that he is attracted
: : : : to Lizzy.
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: : : I have always liked this explanation the best. And I would even take it a step further. He is wrestling with himself even at this stage, knows he is attracted, but feels it his duty to fight the feeling. One way to fight a feeling is to sort of chant an affirmation. "She's not pretty. I don't feel anything for her. I'd as soon call her mother a wit."
: : : Also couldn't he have know he would get a laugh? Would it be so out of character for him, among his intimates, to play to the room?
: : : Amy
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: : As the original line is not in the book (thank you Joan for this confirmation, since I tried in vain to find it) - we may even conclude that Darcy may have never said it at all, and that the line was actually of Caroline's own invention. Davies may have trusted her as a source of famous quotations, but I wouldn't put anything past her.
: : : Janet
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: Why not she could have made it up.
: Here another thing when Lady C. didn't like the idea of Lizzie and Maria going home alone Do you think Lizzie actullay lied about her uncle sending a servant just to get out of there, because Lydia and Kitty did say their coming to meet them was a surprised.
: Thanks Donna
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Is there more deception lurking in P&P? I am not sure about the manservant, but there was a driver for the coach the sisters took from the Bell at Bormley to Longbourn which could have been dispatched by the Gardiners. I do think Lizzy invented her story about being urgently needed at home, though. I don't recall a letter from Mr. B to hurry her return as she claimed, and Maria et al seemed visibly surprised by this (apparent falsehood?). More shocking was her refusal to cow-tow to Lady C. as usual. In the film Lizzy's eagerness to 'get out of there' seems to be felt by Lady C as she glares at her with "I am most put out" (or something to that effect), but this is not in the book and seems to be a Davies' invention to further render her sour/dour.
: Janet
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Posted by Ann on November 06, 1996 at 18:24:42:
: Also couldn't he have know he would get a laugh? Would it be so out of character for him, among his intimates, to play to the room?
: Amy
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I hear that he is lively enough in other places.
Ann
Posted by Tommye on November 06, 1996 at 18:27:34:
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: I'm hear, Tommye! Compleat with my aweful speling - but, I'm seeking to make a transforAMTION in that department (that's how I spelled it, right?).
: Your young friend,
: Kali ; )
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Thanks, I enjoyed that. And, yes, you ARE young.
::Tommye
P. S. Why, I have jammies as old as you!
Posted by Ann on November 06, 1996 at 18:28:33:
: Did I hear that Emelia Fox (Georgiana) is Alison Steadman's real-life daughter?
: Nancy R.
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I thought she was the daughter of Joanna David (Mrs. Gardiner)
Ann
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Posted by Donna on November 06, 1996 at 18:38:30:
: :all the Americans have the same tiny nose) to me they look more like everyday people.
: : Less makeup maybe?
: : Paula
My mom had that same nose her, heritage was Irish, Welsh and Scottish she said she inherited from someone in her family she had a family name for I can't remember the name. Lady C reminded me a little of my moms nose. Believe me actresses are not the only that get nose jobs anymore. Everyday people do too. I didn't but, I know of teenagers that do this now. Everyboby wants to look perfect.
ciao Donna
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Posted by Paula on November 06, 1996 at 18:39:06:
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: At the beginning of episode 1, Lizzy was chatting with Jane in
: Jane's bedroom, she made the following remarks:
: "If I could love a man who would love me enough to take
: me for a mere 50 pounds a year, I should be well pleased
: ... but such a man can hardly be sensible, you know I can
: never love a man without his wits."
: Zimei
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I took this as half in jest: A man who'd marry me with only 50 pounds a year must be dim-witted.. therefore I wouldn't want him ...therefore I'll never marry.
The remark is witty, but Lizzy is also realistically assessing the difficulties of their situation and making a point: Men will have to marry the Bennet girls for love, because they don't have any money. And she would be flattered to be so loved (a foreshadowing of future events)..
--Paula
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Posted by Ann on November 06, 1996 at 18:40:52:
: I don't think I am being overly influenced by the Allison Steadman treatment of Mrs. B. There is evidence -- HC found it recently -- in the text that Lizzy was the least favorite daughter.
: There are mothers who are jealous of their daughters -- especially daughters who are their fathers favorites and who possess gifts the mothers never had. Everybody knows this is true.
: Amy
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From the end of Chapter 18 (after the Netherfield Ball):
"Mrs. Bennet was perfectly satisfied, and quitted the house under the delightful persuasion that...she should undoubtedly se her daughter settled at Netherfield in the course of three or four months. Of having another daughter married to Mr. Collins, she thought with equal certainty, and with considerable, though not equal, pleasure. Elizabeth was the least dear to her of all her children; and though the man and the match were quite god enough for her, the worth of each was eclipsed by Mr. Bingley and Netherfield."
Perhaps part of the reason her pleasure was conciderable was the fact that she would be getting rid of Lizzy. I agree that Mrs. B. did not like Lizzy (though I'm sure she loved her). She must have been jealous of the way her husband favored Lizzy even over herself. Their conversations went painfully over her head. She must have known how little her husband regarded her, and to see her own daughter highly valued by her life's partner must have been painful.
Ann
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Posted by Donna on November 06, 1996 at 18:43:19:
: : :all the Americans have the same tiny nose) to me they look more like everyday people.
: : : Less makeup maybe?
: : : Paula
: My mom had that same nose her, heritage was Irish, Welsh and Scottish she said she inherited from someone in her family she had a family name for I can't remember the name. Lady C reminded me a little of my moms nose. Believe me actresses are not the only that get nose jobs anymore. Everyday people do too. I didn't but, I know of teenagers that do this now. Everyboby wants to look perfect.
: ciao Donna
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All five of us kids got my dads tiny round Italian nose. She was happy about that.
ciao Donna
Posted by Amy on November 06, 1996 at 18:46:02:
: I took this as half in jest: A man who'd marry me with only 50 pounds a year must be dim-witted.. therefore I wouldn't want him ...therefore I'll never marry.
: --Paula
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The other thing that's a funny invention of Davies here is that he borrows a page from JA and does some foreshaddowing of his own.
I man with sense would mind about the money (unless he was super rich). As it turned out Mr Collins did not mind at all about her teeny fortune.
Amy
Posted by Ann on November 06, 1996 at 18:46:57:
: I have Colin's speech (BBC) on tape. Anyone interested?
: I can write it down.
:
: Annemiek (from Holland)
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Absolutely!! We need it. Please, if it is not too much trouble, post it here. You'ld make lots of friends.
Ann
Posted by kathy on November 06, 1996 at 18:50:09:
I was so depressed about the election this morning. Luckily I had a bit of free time to watch again episode 1 of my favorite miniseries. It was quite a comfort to me.
Posted by Pamela on November 06, 1996 at 18:50:39:
Thanks for the great info! Very interesting!
Posted by Donna on November 06, 1996 at 18:55:03:
: : Did I hear that Emelia Fox (Georgiana) is Alison Steadman's real-life daughter?
: : Nancy R.
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: I thought she was the daughter of Joanna David (Mrs. Gardiner)
: Ann
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Ann, M of P&P book are pic. yes you are right. Donna
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