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Posted by Janet on November 06, 1996 at 16:11:28:
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: : Hilary, how could one ever do this at an office? I commend any of you if you are able to do so, but alas, I am on my Mac at home - which has an internal modem, so it does not fall out (what an image that doth convey!). No, I'll be merrily scrolling or typing along, dwelling too long on a single page and then - click! - the connection drops. So I have to reconnect and reconstruct where I was. My server says it's not their problem so I guess it's mine. (I have already switched servers but still have the same trouble.) Does anyone know a solution for this other than speed reading/typing - (or, as one of you was kind to suggest, to disconnect and switch to a word processor which is disruptive)?
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: Sorry, I didn't mean you could do it at an office. I just realised that I was assuming you were at home, which you are. When we first got our modem and internet connection it was always disconnecting, and the solution for us is to unplug the other two phone sockets in the house, when we're going on the net.
: Hilary
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Please don't be sorry for anything. I only meant that apparently some posters here are managing to follow this board at an office, and I would think that would be tricky.
Thank you for the suggestion about the phone. I know that if anyone happens to pick up the phone when I'm online it will disconnect, but I will try unplugging them.
: Janet
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Posted by Anna on November 06, 1996 at 16:17:25:
: : : Sarah and Stefanie,
: : : FOr sure, he said he'd soon call her mother a 'wit'. He means it sarcastically, because he doesn't first think Lizzie is so very pretty. If he had said 'witch', it would sort of be like a compliment, don't you think? He'd rather call her mother a witch than call her pretty, but then her mother, in a way, is like a witch? Or am I just going on about nothing?
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: : As I remember it (>10 readings of the novel) Darcy says "I would as soon call her mother a wit"
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: Oh, okay. Sorry. It just sounded like witch...Why did he say a "wit"? What did he mean? Um, HELP!! :cO
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My interpretation is the same as Tay's:-
Darcy is saying that Elizabeth is as beautiful as Mrs Bennet is clever (saying someone is a wit to me implies clever, quick thinking and funny).
The reason I like it (for Karen) is because as an of the cuff quip it shows that Darcy can be witty, if unkind, and many instances of this have been dropped in the video.
Anna.
Posted by Zimei on November 06, 1996 at 16:20:20:
I was just lurking on FoF site, and noticed the following info about
two documentaries on P&P2:
Perspectives on Pride and Prejudice, BBC Educational
Development Unit, 1995. This set includes a 75 minute
video with interviews including Colin Firth, a
workbook and an audio cassette with excerpts of Jane
Austen letters. (c)
Pride and Prejudice: From Page to Screen. BBC documentary.
1995. This video is 28 minutes long and contains
interviews mainly with Sue Birtwistle, Simon Langton and
Andrew Davies, but also contains a few comments from Mr.
Firth. (c)
Has anybody seen them or got hold of them in US ?
Zimei
Posted by Anna on November 06, 1996 at 16:26:09:
: After watching the tapes about 500 times, I started to watch
: the people in the background, sometimes picking a particular
: person to look for. This was fascinating! I just loved Mary's look as they were all saying goodbye to Lydia and Wickham. She was the only one willing to make them feel uncomfortable!! Also at the Parsonage when Fitzwilliam sat back and crossed his arms to listen to Lizzie and Darcy. The best of the lost was the wedding scene. Try playing this in slow motion and watch the crowd. Did anyone see Georgina throw rose petals at Lizzie, leaving a couple stuck to her chest. Great stuff.
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Absolutely. I also particularly like the moment early in episode one, as they are leaving the church, when Lydia shoves Mary - a background movement that sets the tone of their relationship very early.
Anna
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Posted by Nancy R on November 06, 1996 at 16:28:16:
: : Nancy R.
: : Netherfield dog is a Harlequin Great Dane. Large breed dog, square head and droopy jowls which allow the saliva to drip all over your shoes.
: Having looked at him again, his spots are also too large to be a dalmatian, but he is not nearly tall enough to be a great dane. Minimum height at the shoulder for Great danes is 30 inches. Unless maybe he is still a puppy?
I will buy puppy, but his is a Great Dane.
: : Pemb dogs in gallery: Thin one is a Whippet the other I think was an English Springer Spaniel.
: Yes, could be whippet, but springers have much longer hair than either of those dogs seemed to have. They are often shaved on their backs and sides, but long "feathers" are left on the legs and tummy..
: Joan, too
I was working from memory and was wrong here. Galley dogs were Whippets, Grey hounds?? Perhaps Grey hound puppy which could look very much like a Whippet. You know you have watched the videos too many times when you stop looking at Coolin and Lizzy and notice the dogs!
Nancy R
Posted by Amy on November 06, 1996 at 16:29:35:
RE: I'd as soon call her mother a wit
Ann suggested:
There
: is also a third interpretation--that he does not like to
: admit, even perhaps to himself, that he is attracted
: to Lizzy.
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I have always liked this explanation the best. And I would even take it a step further. He is wrestling with himself even at this stage, knows he is attracted, but feels it his duty to fight the feeling. One way to fight a feeling is to sort of chant an affirmation. "She's not pretty. I don't feel anything for her. I'd as soon call her mother a wit."
Also couldn't he have know he would get a laugh? Would it be so out of character for him, among his intimates, to play to the room?
Amy
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Posted by Anna on November 06, 1996 at 16:31:16:
: : : : : : : I thought dinner, in 18th/19th c. England and early America, was actually what we call lunch, and what we call dinner was called supper. If that's the case, then it really would be morning, and not afternoon. That is, unless you know something I don't. Will you please explain?
: : : : : : : - K
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: : : : There is a passage in the book, Chapter 27, which says:
: : : : '... and they began so early as to be in Gracechurch-street by noon.........The day passed most pleasantly away; the morning spent in bustle and shopping, and the evening at one of the theatres.'
: : : : It has always puzzled me.
: : : : AA
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: : In those times morning meant from dawn to late afternoon ( ie. until about 3/4 pm).
: : Bernie
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: I think I get it now...
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I had the impression that morning went from dawn until dinner, whenever that was. To add to the confusion one could call the period after 12md afternoon (sort of a subset of morning), but it wasn't used much.
Anna.
Posted by Nancy R. on November 06, 1996 at 16:35:08:
: Anyway, I went on a hunt to see if I could dredge up any information on the types of dogs that landed gentlemen had at that time. This is what I came up with. Most estates had several hunting dogs -- the speed merchants, such as whippets and greyhounds for chasing the prey, and the bird dogs.
: "A different type of hunting (dog) is found among bird dogs. When a bird is detected on the ground, the dog if it is a pointer or a setter, is trained to stop and wait; other breeds such as spaniels, simply flush the birds so that they can be shot..."
: That is why I think the dogs at Netherfield are probably spaniels and setters.
: Right I've finished my ramble,
: Bernie
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Thanks for the info. Were the Great Danes for intimidating poachers? Would Darcy arrest a poacher or give him the meat the poacher had killed? I think he would arrest him and confiscate the meat. Darcy would expect the starving to come to him before stealing. Hey, but Darcy's tennants all
"loved him" or so the housekeeper thinks!
Nancy R.
Posted by Anna on November 06, 1996 at 16:35:34:
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: : I know others will disagree with me but I really thought he was going to propose to Lizzy at Lambton. Joan, too makes great arguments to the contrary but the romantic in me likes to believe he would have. While he is fencing he is trying to overcome this. He sees her at Pemberley and after the shock wears off he is frantic to find her. To his relief she hasn't left and she admires Pemberley. She allows him to introduce his sister to her. But what seals it for me are his looks after dinner at Pemberley (see Amy's excellent break down of each lucious look). Perhaps he only wanted to be with her at Lambton but those looks make me think it is more.
: : Karen
I agree that he *wants* more, but he got badly burned the last time he tried to rush Lizzy; I think he was intending to begin to try to win her, but not to propose at this stage (only an opinion though)
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: One more thing...Did anyone notice that look Darcy gave Lizzie after she told him she would be delighted to meet Miss Darcy? (By the way, Georgianna is my next fav character. Anyone have a good pic of her?) My mother just noticed it recently...
: :Sarah2
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I really like Georgiana too. No pics though,
Anna
Posted by Donna on November 06, 1996 at 16:36:55:
Someone mention Jane Eyre a few days ago, I didn't think I would like it but William Hurt is much more likeable then Orson Welles
I find that we have watched it now 5 times and are watching at this very moment. Now we have to rent T.Dalton version.
I just think that Jane was plain. Never read the book but, I think I'll get my daughter to do it for a book report. Is there a version for younger readers?
One more thing Mr. Rodchester never married Adells mother right.
ciao Donna
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Posted by Amy on November 06, 1996 at 16:38:31:
: Absolutely. I also particularly like the moment early in episode one, as they are leaving the church, when Lydia shoves Mary - a background movement that sets the tone of their relationship very early.
: Anna
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Yes! This scene -- like the first sisters in the bedroom scene Joan commented on recently -- tells volumes, including the "A truth universally acknowledged line."
We learn of Mrs B's prime directive,
Mr B's teasing and willful misunderstanding of her (ever wonder where Lizzy got that trick?),
Lizzy's superior mothering/curbing skills:
(sternly)
Lydia.
And more.
Amy
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Posted by Anna on November 06, 1996 at 16:40:22:
: : I am curious myself as to whether Darcy had the intentions of proposing that next day after the Pemberly scene. Will we ever know?
: : :Sarah2
No, but we can indulge ourselves with imagination, each to suit ourself
: : P.S. Darcy was so cordial to Lizzie's aunt and uncle--why? Was it because he wanted to impress Lizzie after she had already told him no to his proposal? To let her know he had changed in some respects? This wasn't natural for him, was it?
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In the text Darcy says something along the lines of "I was trying to show you that your reproofs had been attended to", so even though it didn't fit with Darcy's pre Lizzy behaviour, he was trying to show her he had changed. CF also says something to the same effect in 'The Making of Pride and Prejudice', so the novel and video agree on this point.
Anna
Posted by Nancy R on November 06, 1996 at 16:42:13:
: If Borders has it, they have just started carrying it. I got mine through a friend in Canada for $15 (US) - $20 (Canadian). Definitely worth the price and twice the cost.
: Anne
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Where in Canada? Something cheaper in Canada than the USA?
I am all astonishment!
I heard that A&E had a making of P&P2 special, but they were not going to show it. Anybody hear this?
Nancy R
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Posted by Amy on November 06, 1996 at 16:44:28:
: I heard that A&E had a making of P&P2 special, but they were not going to show it. Anybody hear this?
: Nancy R
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Nancy, they have decided against showing it. Many of us have called, written or emailed. They seem firm on the point.
Amy
Posted by Marsha on November 06, 1996 at 16:46:10:
: One more thing Mr. Rodchester never married Adells mother right.
: ciao Donna
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Nope, (thank God!) in fact he doesn't believe the child is his (Celine-Adele's mother was a dancer & his mistress for a time)
Marsha
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Posted by Donna on November 06, 1996 at 16:51:13:
: : Absolutely. I also particularly like the moment early in episode one, as they are leaving the church, when Lydia shoves Mary - a background movement that sets the tone of their relationship very early.
: : Anna
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: Yes! This scene -- like the first sisters in the bedroom scene Joan commented on recently -- tells volumes, including the "A truth universally acknowledged line."
: We learn of Mrs B's prime directive,
: Mr B's teasing and willful misunderstanding of her (ever wonder where Lizzy got that trick?),
: Lizzy's superior mothering/curbing skills:
: (sternly)
: Lydia.
:
: And more.
: Amy
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Lizzie does take over the mothering role. Do you think Mrs. B. notices this and feels resentful towards Lizzie at times. I feel it at certain times that she does resent Lizzie.
Donna
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Posted by Janet on November 06, 1996 at 16:51:41:
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: : : : : : : No, but I might eat the cat.
: : : : : : : - K
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: : : : : : Kali,
: : : : : : ROFLOL!!
: : : : : : Ann
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: : : : : _Me too!!
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: : : : : Ann,
: : : : : I already asked Hilary this, but what does LOL mean? While I'm asking, what does ROFLOL mean?
: : : : : I know I'm a Lamer,
: : : : : Kali
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: : : : I only learned recently from a kind soul here that, if I remember correctly, LOL stands for "laughing out loud", whereas ROFLOL means "rolling on the floor laughing out loud". As you may expect, there are apparently other interpretations as well.
: : : : Janet
: : : P.S. One variation is "look of longing", but I don't know how this is reinterpreted with ROFLOL.
: : :
: That would be for example :Rather obsessed from look of longing ! Need I say which one?
: Ann2
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How about, Rather obsessed from look of long (posts). How do you keep up with this BB?
: Janet
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Posted by Janet on November 06, 1996 at 16:57:49:
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: : : : : No, but I might eat the cat.
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: : : : Cute. You must not be as compulsive as some of us -- about this anyway. I suppose you will have to be a little compulsive in other positive ways to succeed in law school. You are going to write one great brief, Kali.
: : : : Amy
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: : : Thanks! Actually, if left to my own devices, I would probably be exhibiting ultra-compulsive behaviour about the tapings at this point. Right now, honors thesis is forcing me to be compulsive about Upton Sinclair, the '34 CA gubernatorial race, and ag. laborism during the depression (borrrring). Otherwise, it would be P&P only - my first love!
: : : - K
: : : PS - Don't tell my cats about the above - please?!
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: : Kali, are we back to cats again or is this just another obsession? (I finally noticed your post on yet another thread about the sly one.)
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: Jane, Janet, Janet. Hee hee. I'm pretty sly myself! Yes, I love cats.
: - K
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Kali, Kali, Kat. Sly you are, and you keep on your toes, too. How do you do it - while studying law? I am impressed indeed.
: Janet
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Posted by Janet on November 06, 1996 at 17:00:21:
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: : : : : : No, but I might eat the cat.
: : : : : : - K
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: : : : : Cute. You must not be as compulsive as some of us -- about this anyway. I suppose you will have to be a little compulsive in other positive ways to succeed in law school. You are going to write one great brief, Kali.
: : : : : Amy
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: : : : Thanks! Actually, if left to my own devices, I would probably be exhibiting ultra-compulsive behaviour about the tapings at this point. Right now, honors thesis is forcing me to be compulsive about Upton Sinclair, the '34 CA gubernatorial race, and ag. laborism during the depression (borrrring). Otherwise, it would be P&P only - my first love!
: : : : - K
: : : : PS - Don't tell my cats about the above - please?!
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: : : Kali, are we back to cats again or is this just another obsession? (I finally noticed your post on yet another thread about the sly one.)
: : : : Janet
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: : Jane, Janet, Janet. Hee hee. I'm pretty sly myself! Yes, I love cats.
: : - K
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: Kali, Kali, Kat. Sly you are, and you keep on your toes, too. How do you do it - while studying law? I am impressed indeed.
: : Janet
P.S. I don't really sound like Jane, do I? Agreed, she was sweet, but...
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Posted by Nancy R on November 06, 1996 at 17:00:33:
: Could you guys please tell me what I'm missing? I just can't get interested in Middlemarch. In fact, I can't even get half way through the book without being totally bored. What don't I get? Some people have told me that you either like George Elliot, or you don't. Is that true? If you guys (whose taste in literature is to be admired) tell me that it's really worth it, I will endeavour to read it, otherwise, I'd rather watch grass grow.
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I enjoyed the book. The plot in the second half certainly started to pick up! Some of the mysteries are solved!
Some interesting suggestions of adultery turn up. Who does Mary eventually mary? Twists and turns appear!! Does the Doctor find happiness? I have read Silas Marner and Mill on the Floss as well but Middlemarch is better.
I have now decided to buy the Middlemarch video. Thanks to the group for the review.
Nancy R
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