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Posted by Ann on November 06, 1996 at 14:59:16:
: Ann,
: In response to your post yesterday (?), I believe Lizzie isn't wearing the same dress at Pemberley as she wore to the Meryton assembly ball. At the assembly ball the sleeves were above the elbow and the embroidery was of feathery ferns. (In fact there is a very nice picture of Lizzie and Charlotte waiting for partners at the Meryton Assembly ball in "The Making of P&P" in which you can see all the details I'm trying -- poorly -- to describe). At Pemberley the dress she wore had elbow sleeves embroidered with swirls, almost a Paisley pattern. Also the hem, which was embroidered with the same pattern, wasn't quite full length so her petticoat showed. This is the same dress she wore when she was visiting Jane at Netherfield, and meets Darcy in the billiard room.
: Bernie
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They do look awfully similar, though! As far as I can tell it is only the sleeves that are different.
Ann
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Posted by Ann on November 06, 1996 at 15:06:44:
: : I have often wondered what Mr Darcy would be called in private. Mr Darcy? Darcy? Fitzwilliam? Fitz? William?
: : Another Anne
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: Have you noticed though that even the married people refer to each other by Mr. x or Mrs. x? Even
: his family/friends call him Darcy so that is probably his name of choice.
: Anne
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In "Emma" she would call Mr. Knightly George, but she has been calling him Mr. Knightly for so long that she can't call him anything else. I think the Mr. and Mrs. was used mostly in public. That still leaves the question of how Lizzy will address him in private. I wonder what Georgiana calls him (other that "Brother")?
Ann
Posted by Donna on November 06, 1996 at 15:11:01:
: : My family used to play "Pose the Horrible Question." Maybe that is why I am so odd. Like, my dad would ask, "If you were starving, would you eat Pudgy?" (Our cat.)
: : A few years ago I was doing a survey for Exposures, the photo accessories catalog, and asked customers, "If your home was lost in a fire, which picture would you most hate to lose?" 5% of the respondents called me cruel or mean.
: : So here goes on our favorite topic.
: : 1. Have you played video editor to such an extent as you never have before with this film -- taping the first time with commercials, retaping in August, carefully editing the commercials? Contemplating setting your alarm to wake up instead of programming the VCR for the upcoming commercial-free cablecase so you have no untidy lead-ins between episodes?
: : 2. If, God forbid, Clinton were murdered tonight, would you still have the presence of mind to tape P&P in the morning?
: : 3. Are those of you who own the tape still going to tape it as a back-up or pusher's copy?
: : Amy
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: I programmed the VCR last night, but made sure it was taping this morning. I actually considered being an hour late for work so I could just sit and watch even though the VCR was taping.
: My attempt at taping in August was not successful. I sadly taped over the first night, somehow missed taping the first proposal, and was not sure I could wait until now to get all of it on tape. My local Blockbuster doesn't carry P&P2. Thanks to all who have made recommendations about purchasing the set. It's on my Christmas list.
: Karen
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Taping was a success. There are many more missings scenes then I thought. They do add more humor and Mr. Hurst not only sleeps, he snorts. That was very funny.
Thanks Donna
Posted by Johanne on November 06, 1996 at 15:12:00:
: 1. Yes - Taped it when aired in French in October-November (finished last Wednesday). Copied it for back-up, editing commercials. At last, taped this morning its original version (finaly the original voices and script), woke up 1 hour early to press the record button myself, did not trust my VCR to do the job. To be certain I'd be there, had two alarm clock, just in case (and one actualy did'nt work!) My partner/friend/hubbi now really LAUGHS at this devotion
: 2. Absolutely
: 3. Have'nt bought it (but taped it) but trying, true to our faith and as a true missionary, to convert others
Johanne
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Posted by Kali on November 06, 1996 at 15:21:00:
: : : : : : I thought dinner, in 18th/19th c. England and early America, was actually what we call lunch, and what we call dinner was called supper. If that's the case, then it really would be morning, and not afternoon. That is, unless you know something I don't. Will you please explain?
: : : : : : - K
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: : : There is a passage in the book, Chapter 27, which says:
: : : '... and they began so early as to be in Gracechurch-street by noon.........The day passed most pleasantly away; the morning spent in bustle and shopping, and the evening at one of the theatres.'
: : : It has always puzzled me.
: : : AA
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: : yeah, this "morning" terminology usage is confusing me.
: : - K
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: In those times morning meant from dawn to late afternoon ( ie. until about 3/4 pm).
: My interpretation of the above passage is that they set out about 6/7 am (very early; breakfast wasn't often served until 10/11 am) to reach the City of London by noon. Travel in those days was slow.
: After a rest and a bite to eat, off they went at about 1 pm to Regent Street and Piccadilly for a spot of shopping. Actually, it probably would have taken them about an hour to get from Gracechurch Street to Regent Street. (For those of you who are vaguely familiar with London, Gracechurch Street (Cheapside) is near to St. Paul's cathedral and Regent Street is off Oxford Street in the West End).
: Would have got back at about 6 pm. Had dinner, went to the evening performance at the theatre. Came home ca. midnight. Then maybe had a hot drink before retiring.
: Bernie
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I think I get it now...
K
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Posted by Sarah2 on November 06, 1996 at 15:21:29:
: : : : :Sarah2
: : : : P.S. Okay, now, didn't Mr. Darcy say about Lizzie, "She, pretty? I'd as soon call her mother a witch!" ?
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: : : No, I'm pretty sure that he said "wit." I don't think that witch would make as much snese. As I do not have a copy of the book nat hand, I can not verify it for sure, but I am 99.99% sure.
: : : Stefanie
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: : Sarah and Stefanie,
: : FOr sure, he said he'd soon call her mother a 'wit'. He means it sarcastically, because he doesn't first think Lizzie is so very pretty. If he had said 'witch', it would sort of be like a compliment, don't you think? He'd rather call her mother a witch than call her pretty, but then her mother, in a way, is like a witch? Or am I just going on about nothing?
: : Tay
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: As I remember it (>10 readings of the novel) Darcy says "I would as soon call her mother a wit"
: Anna
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Oh, okay. Sorry. It just sounded like witch...Why did he say a "wit"? What did he mean? Um, HELP!! :cO
:Sarah2
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Posted by Kali on November 06, 1996 at 15:23:55:
: : : Why, do certain smileys mean certain things (aside from smiling, winking, frowning, etc., which are obvious)? I like the winking smiley, and when the subject is racy or touchy I like to use the crinkly bracket for the mouth.
: : : - K
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: : Kali,
: : The penny has finally dropped. I changed my font from a serif to a sans serif font and as you say it was obvious. :-)
: : Thanks,
: : Bernie
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: I like these two:
: B) he's wearing sunglasses
: :P he's sticking his tongue out
: Stefanie
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Very cool. This is the hormonally-challenged Smiley:
%^}
Posted by Kali on November 06, 1996 at 15:24:02:
: : : Why, do certain smileys mean certain things (aside from smiling, winking, frowning, etc., which are obvious)? I like the winking smiley, and when the subject is racy or touchy I like to use the crinkly bracket for the mouth.
: : : - K
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: : Kali,
: : The penny has finally dropped. I changed my font from a serif to a sans serif font and as you say it was obvious. :-)
: : Thanks,
: : Bernie
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: I like these two:
: B) he's wearing sunglasses
: :P he's sticking his tongue out
: Stefanie
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Very cool. This is the hormonally-challenged Smiley:
%^}
Posted by Sarah2 on November 06, 1996 at 15:24:45:
: : : I was eating lunch yesterday at Au Bon Pain, a fast food sandwich place, when I suddenly felt very tranquil, despite the fact that my 2-year old lunch companion is not especially genteel. Then it hit me---on the piped-in music, Voi Che Sapete was playing---the song Lizzie sings at Pemberley. The Look! Sigh. I felt momentarily transported. I wish I'd had some BB friends there to share the moment---and I suspect you would all have been less likely than my little girl to spill chili on me. Coincidence, or is everyone taking advantage of Austen-mania? If so: more, please.
: : : Jane A.
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: : Along a similar vein; when someone posted "The Look" picture, I could hear running through my mind Voi Che Sapete! Will I ever be able to hear it again and *not* think of Darcy?
: : Cheryl
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: Cheryl
: for your sake I hope not, Darcy, what a wonderful thought.
: Mich
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Another coincedence. Just a few minutes ago, I overheard that part of the movie. Well, actually, I just heard the part where they play back the music and you know it's the part with Darcy remembering that look Lizzie gave him. The stare........
:Sarah2
Posted by Sarah2 on November 06, 1996 at 15:25:45:
: I have been a lurker for two weeks now and I must
: say this is addictive as well.
: I am already addicted to the tapes and the books
: (the making of).
: Most of all my compliments to the creative writers of
: 'scenes we just couldn't live without'.
:
: I have Colin's speech (BBC) on tape. Anyone interested?
: I can write it down.
:
: Annemiek (from Holland)
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Collin's speech? Which one?
:Sarah2
Posted by Ann on November 06, 1996 at 15:26:06:
: Any of you folks watching NBC - sheesh, did you notice the CHRISTMAS TREE already up in Rockefeller Plaza? I guess Hallowe'en is the new start of the Christmas season, c/o the recent recession.
: - K
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Actually most stores and things have been putting up their X-mas displays just after Holloween for many years now!
Ann
Posted by Sarah2 on November 06, 1996 at 15:33:47:
: : : And That Walk - I also love Darcy's elegant walk through the gallery in the dark with his dogs later in the scene. It's lovely to see how his mind is immersed in thoughts of Lizzy in those solitary moments.
: : : Zimei
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: : : In fact, what a expression, self-confidence coupled by a joyfull smile, we can feel him most and truly content. What has been puzzling me for a while : leaning on the mantelpiece, he remembers foundly Lizzy's look (of love)and then turns his head in a more serious focus gaze. As if he came to realize something with finality of it's own, some kind of a decision, as if to say "this is it, no more room for questions, the answer is this". In the serie I saw, this is immediatly followed by his dressing and preparing for his departure to see Lizzy, taking great care in is allure has if it was a pivotal. Could he have thought of proposing again ?
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I am curious myself as to whether Darcy had the intentions of proposing that next day after the Pemberly scene. Will we ever know?
:Sarah
P.S. Darcy was so cordial to Lizzie's aunt and uncle--why? Was it because he wanted to impress Lizzie after she had already told him no to his proposal? To let her know he had changed in some respects? This wasn't natural for him, was it?
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Posted by Sarah2 on November 06, 1996 at 15:35:02:
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: : : : And That Walk - I also love Darcy's elegant walk through the gallery in the dark with his dogs later in the scene. It's lovely to see how his mind is immersed in thoughts of Lizzy in those solitary moments.
: : : : Zimei
: : :
: : : : In fact, what a expression, self-confidence coupled by a joyfull smile, we can feel him most and truly content. What has been puzzling me for a while : leaning on the mantelpiece, he remembers foundly Lizzy's look (of love)and then turns his head in a more serious focus gaze. As if he came to realize something with finality of it's own, some kind of a decision, as if to say "this is it, no more room for questions, the answer is this". In the serie I saw, this is immediatly followed by his dressing and preparing for his departure to see Lizzy, taking great care in is allure has if it was a pivotal. Could he have thought of proposing again ?
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: I am curious myself as to whether Darcy had the intentions of proposing that next day after the Pemberly scene. Will we ever know?
: :Sarah2
: P.S. Darcy was so cordial to Lizzie's aunt and uncle--why? Was it because he wanted to impress Lizzie after she had already told him no to his proposal? To let her know he had changed in some respects? This wasn't natural for him, was it?
P.P.S. Sorry if this was duplicated. I forgot to put the 2 after my name again...
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Posted by Sarah2 on November 06, 1996 at 15:38:02:
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: I know others will disagree with me but I really thought he was going to propose to Lizzy at Lambton. Joan, too makes great arguments to the contrary but the romantic in me likes to believe he would have. While he is fencing he is trying to overcome this. He sees her at Pemberley and after the shock wears off he is frantic to find her. To his relief she hasn't left and she admires Pemberley. She allows him to introduce his sister to her. But what seals it for me are his looks after dinner at Pemberley (see Amy's excellent break down of each lucious look). Perhaps he only wanted to be with her at Lambton but those looks make me think it is more.
: Karen
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One more thing...Did anyone notice that look Darcy gave Lizzie after she told him she would be delighted to meet Miss Darcy? (By the way, Georgianna is my next fav character. Anyone have a good pic of her?) My mother just noticed it recently...
:Sarah2
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Posted by Ann on November 06, 1996 at 15:39:41:
: While I don't recall off hand where this quote is in the book, I know that it is in there somewhere.
: I always thought that when Darcy said this line,he was not sure of his feelings for Lizzy yet and he surely didn't want any of hte Bingley sisters to suspect him. I figured that this line was said to put on the facade of normality. (Is that a word?) Anyway, I would definetly have to say that he lives to regret ever speaking these words.
: Stefanie
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Both of these interpretations work for the text: 1) that he
meant what he said, because Elizabeth had not yet struck his
fancy ("My beauty you had early withstood...") and 2) that
he didn't want the Bingleys to know of his increasing
interest in Miss Bennet. In the text this comment is only
referred to much later by Miss Bingley, and we therefor do
not know at which stage of his enchantment he said it. There
is also a third interpretation--that he does not like to
admit, even perhaps to himself, that he is attracted
to Lizzy.
Davies however, decides that it is the first of these. He
places Darcy's comment after the first meeting between Darcy
and Lizzy, before Darcy started to be drawn to her.
Ann
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Posted by Eric on November 06, 1996 at 15:41:56:
: : : :
: : : : Depends on whether or not you like port.
: : : I do - if it's good port, and in winter (or any time of the year in England).
: : :
: : : :If you've never had it, don't. Stick to starboard.
: : : : Eric
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: : : ?? what's starboard ??
: : : Anna (posting from subtropical Australia)
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: : OK OK - after 2 cups of coffee now I get it... and here was I thinking starboard was an exotic US liqour!
: : Anna
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:Earlier message didn't print everything above - my error. It should read as follows
Sorry. Perhaps I should have announced it and written something more like: "BAD PUN COMING! Stick to starboard." That way people would have known before coffee. ;->
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Posted by Kevin Rinehart on November 06, 1996 at 16:05:42:
: : Ann, : : In response to your post yesterday (?), I believe Lizzie isn't wearing the same dress at Pemberley as she wore to the Meryton assembly ball. At the assembly ball the sleeves were above the elbow and the embroidery was of feathery ferns. (In fact there is a very nice picture of Lizzie and Charlotte waiting for partners at the Meryton Assembly ball in "The Making of P&P" in which you can see all the details I'm trying ÷ poorly ÷ to describe). At Pemberley the dress she wore had elbow sleeves embroidered with swirls, almost a Paisley pattern. Also the hem, which was embroidered with the same pattern, wasn't quite full length so her petticoat showed. This is the same dress she wore when she was visiting Jane at Netherfield, and meets Darcy in the billiard room.: : Bernie: : ___________________: They do look awfully similar, though! As far as I can tell it is only the sleeves that are different.: Ann___________________
Posted by Anna on November 06, 1996 at 16:05:58:
:
: Her nose wants character; there is nothing marked in
: : its lines.
Her nose does not want character.
Look out for this section in P&P1 when we come to it. About the only physical similarity between the 2 Miss Bingleys is a prominent nose, the line is left in P&P1 and IMO acted very well.
Anna
Posted by Kevin Rinehart on November 06, 1996 at 16:07:36:
I have been a lurker for a long time and am delighted to have found you. Will post more later.: : Ann, : : In response to your post yesterday (?), I believe Lizzie isn't wearing the same dress at Pemberley as she wore to the Meryton assembly ball. At the assembly ball the sleeves were above the elbow and the embroidery was of feathery ferns. (In fact there is a very nice picture of Lizzie and Charlotte waiting for partners at the Meryton Assembly ball in "The Making of P&P" in which you can see all the details I'm trying ÷ poorly ÷ to describe). At Pemberley the dress she wore had elbow sleeves embroidered with swirls, almost a Paisley pattern. Also the hem, which was embroidered with the same pattern, wasn't quite full length so her petticoat showed. This is the same dress she wore when she was visiting Jane at Netherfield, and meets Darcy in the billiard room.: : Bernie: : ___________________: They do look awfully similar, though! As far as I can tell it is only the sleeves that are different.: Ann___________________
Posted by Anna on November 06, 1996 at 16:08:41:
: : : : I have often wondered what Mr Darcy would be called in private. Mr Darcy? Darcy? Fitzwilliam? Fitz? William?
: : : : Another Anne
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: : : Myself I prefer Darcy - Fitzwilliam is *too* confusing (what were his parents thinking of), Mr is too formal, Fitz too twee (besides being a polite way of saying 'bastard of'), William is incorrect. Maybe we should come up with a middle name for him, historically inaccurate though it be.
: : : Anna
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: : How about "Ralph?"
: : - K
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: Or, maybe "Frank" ?
: - K
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