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Posted by Anne on November 06, 1996 at 08:42:26:
Did anyone else notice (and get amused) the difference in Miss Bingley's comments
between the mini-series and the book?
"I must confess that I never could see any beauty in her. Her face is too think; her complexion has no
brilliancy; and her features are not at all handsome.Her nose wants character; there is nothing marked in
its lines.
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Posted by Anne on November 06, 1996 at 08:52:06:
: : : I find that if I don't read the book first, I miss out on developing my own images and interpretations. Even if I read the book after seeing the film, I can't shake the "suggestions" brought forth by the actors, the screenplay writers and the directors.
: : : Stefanie
: I actually do it the other way around. I like to see the
: movies first (if they are concidered to be good ones). I
: find that it gives me a framework on which the book builds.
: I don't build visual imagery in my head when I read books
: cold anyway, so I don't gain anything by reading a book first.
: I suppose I'm just strange, but I enjoy books much more if I
: have seen the film first.
: Ann the Heretic
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I do it both ways. Some books I read just because I enjoyed the movie and wish to see how the author presented the material. Some I read first, either intentionally (as with The English Patient) so that I have a foundation for the movie or unintentionally (as with Dune) in that they finally make a movie out of a book that I enjoy. I watched Northanger Abbey first and then read the book - mainly because I had time to watch the video before I had time to read the book -- and the video encouraged me to read the book as soon as possible as I could not imagine JA writing what I saw in the video. I was correct.
Anne
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Posted by Grace on November 06, 1996 at 08:57:28:
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: : : It does not appear that Lydia needed too much encouragement to go to bed!
: : : Cheryl
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: : I was surprised we went as long as we did without someone making a crack about sex. This _is_ the Bed Thread, after all! ;-}
: : - K
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: I know, but as we come from a very refined and polished society, we wouldn't deign to comment on such a topic.
: (Just joking!! Would have used a smiley but can't remember what they all mean).
: Bernie
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: Another immortal line from Cheryl. Wasn't it she who gave us that other classic: 'Never underestimate the speed of a motivated man'???
Still laughing, Grace
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Posted by Kim on November 06, 1996 at 09:04:40:
I watched part 1 on A&E classroom before I came to work this morning, and I was just wondering. What is Bingley looking when Caroline and Lizzie are taking a turn around the room? He seems to be in another world.
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Posted by Anne on November 06, 1996 at 09:05:30:
Amy --
Back to your naming dilemma -
how about soyoushall.com
It is not being used.
Anne
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Posted by Amy on November 06, 1996 at 09:07:41:
Her nose wants character; there is nothing marked in
: its lines.
I had not noticed. But it would have been funny to leave it in. If I were describing Duckface as Miss Bingley, one thing
I could say with assurance and no fear of contradiction is that,
Her nose does not want character.
Amy
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Posted by Linda on November 06, 1996 at 09:08:05:
: : : Chapter 45 or Volume 3 Chapter 3
: : : Right after Caroline Bingley's snide comment about the ___shire being removed from Meryton.
: : : ..."Not a syllable had ever reached her of Miss Darcy's meditated elopement. To no creature had it been revealed, where secrecy was possible, except to Elizabeth; and from all Bingley's connections her brother was particularly anxious to conceal it from that very wish which Elizabeth had long ago attributed to him, of their becoming hereafter her own. He had certainly formed such a plan, and without meaning that it is probable that it might add something to his lively concern for the welfare of his friend."
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: : The Bingleys know nothing of Georgianna's close call with Wickham. Darcy had hoped that Georgianna and Bingley would marry (as Lizzy thought he had hoped- this is also what Bingley's sisters wanted) and if word of the aborted elopement got out, Bingley might be less inclined to marry Georgianna. This wish of Darcy's may also have played a part in his splitting up of Bingley and Jane.
: : At least that's how I see it- I may be all wrong!
: : Cheryl
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: I agree with you completly. That is exactly how I interpreted it.
: Stefanie
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Thanks so much, Cheryl, Stefanie and Joan, too, too. The piece that I was missing was Darcy's desire that Bingley marry Georgiana. Once you pointed that out, the proverbial light bulb went on.
Thanks again.
Linda
Posted by Amy on November 06, 1996 at 09:10:48:
: Amy --
: Back to your naming dilemma -
:
: how about soyoushall.com
: It is not being used.
: Anne
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Another good one. Actually I am most serious about one of your other nominations: Pemberley.com
The place metaphor works so well with the virtual world
Posted by Grace on November 06, 1996 at 09:14:34:
: : : : Someone should have told that to Mr. and Mrs. Bennet where it regards Lydia!!!!
: : : : Annie
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: : : It does not appear that Lydia needed too much encouragement to go to bed!
: : : Cheryl
: :
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: : Excellent Reponse, Cheryl!
: : - Candace
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: Are we bordering on another Daggy thread ?
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: Bordering on Daggy? After reading last night's threads, I think we have gone way past Daggy and will have to ask Hilary for new terminology.
Masts were up, everyone was imbibing starboard while fixating on doggies and plotting polygamy in Australia!
What was it?...A full moon?....Post-election fervor in the U.S.?....Anticipation of the A&E rebroadcast?......Too much of the leftover Halloween candy?
Booking my flight to Australia, Grace
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Posted by Amy on November 06, 1996 at 09:19:08:
: Masts were up, everyone was imbibing starboard while fixating on doggies and plotting polygamy in Australia!
: What was it?...A full moon?....Post-election fervor in the U.S.?....Anticipation of the A&E rebroadcast?......Too much of the leftover Halloween candy?
: Booking my flight to Australia, Grace
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The image I get of polygamous Australia is all of us in the pelises someone suggested for the performance of your Henry song, Grace. It is set in a castle like the women's community in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
Amy
Posted by Another Anne on November 06, 1996 at 09:59:00:
: : : I thought dinner, in 18th/19th c. England and early America, was actually what we call lunch, and what we call dinner was called supper. If that's the case, then it really would be morning, and not afternoon. That is, unless you know something I don't. Will you please explain?
: : : - K
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There is a passage in the book, Chapter 27, which says:
'... and they began so early as to be in Gracechurch-street by noon.........The day passed most pleasantly away; the morning spent in bustle and shopping, and the evening at one of the theatres.'
It has always puzzled me.
AA
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Posted by Another Anne on November 06, 1996 at 10:13:05:
: One thing that bothers me is when the Gardiner's arrive at LBourne at Christmas, their children aren't with them. Did they really leave their young children home alone for the holiday?
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I wondered about the same thing. The book says (Chapter 25) '...Mrs Bennet had the pleasure of receiving her brother and his wife, who came as usual to spend Christmas at Longbourn.' There is no mention of any children during their visit.
AA
Posted by Linda on November 06, 1996 at 10:50:11:
: : : We were raised that anyone older than ourselves (meaning we were kids and the other was an adult), wheather it was a family friend, cousin, second cousin, etc. were always referred as Aunt or Uncle.
: : : - Candace
: : ___________________
: : So were we. That is, close friends of parents, older relatives were addressed as Aunt Gonnie and Uncle Ewing. Other adults were always Mr or Mrs or Miss. A young person was never allowed to call an older person by his/her first name.
: : However, when referring to or describing them to other people, the correct relationship was used; Aunt Laura was Mom's first cousin, Uncle Charles was Daddy's friend.
: : Linda
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: Yes, but did these older non-relatives and relatives who were not actual aunts and uncles refer to you as their nieces?
: Joan, too
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No, Aunt Laura referred to me as her cousin's daughter, or sometimes as her cousin. Her son and I (3rd cousins and almost the same age) were close friends and she might occasionally say that "Linda is George's cousin". Maybe it's a southern.
Linda
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Posted by Zimei on November 06, 1996 at 10:55:02:
: I have been a lurker for two weeks now and I must
: say this is addictive as well.
: I am already addicted to the tapes and the books
: (the making of).
: Most of all my compliments to the creative writers of
: 'scenes we just couldn't live without'.
:
: I have Colin's speech (BBC) on tape. Anyone interested?
: I can write it down.
:
: Annemiek (from Holland)
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Oh Annemiek, pray tell! I've searching in vain on the net for any info about this event. It's strange there is nothing on BBC web site, those Brits, sometimes I don't understand them. Bernie, you are free to go now :)
Zimei
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Posted by Stefanie on November 06, 1996 at 11:04:39:
: : Yes, but did these older non-relatives and relatives who were not actual aunts and uncles refer to you as their nieces?
: : Joan, too
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: No, Aunt Laura referred to me as her cousin's daughter, or sometimes as her cousin. Her son and I (3rd cousins and almost the same age) were close friends and she might occasionally say that "Linda is George's cousin". Maybe it's a southern.
: Linda
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I don't think it's a southern thing. I'm from New England and my father's cousin always referred to me as his cousin and I refer to his son (whose almost 1) as my cousin. I guess we're really second cousins. I'm not sure, I never understood that numbering system. For instance, what's the differnec between second cousins and first cousins once removed?
Stefanie
Posted by Bernie on November 06, 1996 at 11:31:38:
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I watched Northanger Abbey first and then read the book - mainly because I had time to watch the video before I had time to read the book -- and the video encouraged me to read the book as soon as possible as I could not imagine JA writing what I saw in the video. I was correct.
: Anne
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who found that adaptation rather disappointing. I have all the BBC Austen adaptations on video, and that rates as my least favourite one.
Bernie
Posted by Bernie on November 06, 1996 at 11:41:47:
: : I have been a lurker for two weeks now and I must
: : say this is addictive as well.
: : I am already addicted to the tapes and the books
: : (the making of).
: : Most of all my compliments to the creative writers of
: : 'scenes we just couldn't live without'.
: :
: : I have Colin's speech (BBC) on tape. Anyone interested?
: : I can write it down.
: :
: : Annemiek (from Holland)
:
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: Oh Annemiek, pray tell! I've searching in vain on the net for any info about this event. It's strange there is nothing on BBC web site, those Brits, sometimes I don't understand them. Bernie, you are free to go now :)
: Zimei
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Zimei,
Do you mean I no longer have to grovel and beg your forgiveness for my oversight.
I was just so surprised to see him on the screen, that my brain cell -- which obviously wasn't residing in my cranium at the time -- didn't register the fact that I REALLY ought to stick a tape into the VCR.
As to the other half of the post, I have to agree with you, our Media can be so lax about telling us what is going on. It's frustrating for the locals as well!!!!!
Bernie
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Posted by Johanne on November 06, 1996 at 12:07:18:
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: : : : I find that if I don't read the book first, I miss out on developing my own images and interpretations. Stefanie
:
: I do it both ways ... and the video encouraged me to read the book as soon as possible as I could not imagine JA writing what I saw in the video. I was correct.
: Anne
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Fortunately, we can always expand (endlessly) our repertoire,litterature offering such a wide array. Litt class being sometimes the stepping stone, our curiosity brings us from new points of view to new understandings. Like you Anne, I feel equaly and do prefer imagining the scenes before seeing them. A wonderful novel that gets you thinking/dreaming for days and weeks is quite difficult to render in a two hour period. Although, I do confess, thanks to the Sense and Sensability movie (and my love for Brit movie, specialy derived from anything remotely connected to Kenneth Branagh) to opening the world of JA to me.
Johanne de Mtl
Posted by Dina on November 06, 1996 at 12:48:35:
: : Middlemarch - Joseph Conrad's "Nostromo": The English Patient,
: : Inko
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I belong to the "book before film" school of thought, though I am mostly diappointed in hollywood's attempts at interpretation. When Jane Eyre came out a few months ago I felt like I was watching the Cliff Notes!! I think most of us tend to be visual and love to "see" our favorite stories. I have found that the "less hollywood" productions seem to be my favorites. Most of them seem to be BBC actually. They take the books more seriously i.e. Jane Eyre with Timothy Dalton. If I could find a man like his Edward Fairfax Rochester .... So strong! I also seem to own more of these. Some of the good ones (to me) like I have described are: Middlemarch, Sens & Senblty, Anne of Green Gables, Anne of Avonlea, P&P2, well, all the Austens, Moll Flanders, Jane Eyre, A Town Like Alice. I am still waiting for a complete (minus Hogo's lengthy diatribes of French politics)and honest interpretation of Les Miserables (Marius watching Cossette at the park from his horse...). This is one of the greatest "love stories" ever written; everyone loved something, almost too much. Anyway, I digress. Can anyone recommend any others? Is The English Patient t.v. or film? When does it come out?
Dina
Posted by Johanne on November 06, 1996 at 13:04:26:
: I don't mean to jump in, but I think Arnessa meant covetous as in "excessively desirpous of another's possesions" ie Lizzy.
: Stefanie
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Beautifully said ...(sigh)
Johanne de Mtl
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