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Posted by Joan, too on November 05, 1996 at 23:49:50:
: Thank you, Joan. Believe it or not, I am not certain what ISP means, but if it relates to my server I have contacted them many times about this and they claim this should not happen - a helpful response. I have long suspected what you say about idling out, as this makes sense. What can I do about it? Thank you so much. (As I try to zip along lest I be disconnected - again...)
: Janet
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You have it right - ISP (Internet Service Provider) is basically your server. If they claim that they have no idle daemon running, they should provide you with other suggestions, such as what modem settings to use for error correction (assuming your modem supports this), or whether you should be using hardware handshaking or XON/XOFF. If you are paying for this service, it might motivate them to be more responsive if you let them know how interested you have become in a competitor's services... [evil smirk]
Joan, too
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Posted by Janet on November 05, 1996 at 23:57:10:
: : Thank you, Joan. Believe it or not, I am not certain what ISP means, but if it relates to my server I have contacted them many times about this and they claim this should not happen - a helpful response. I have long suspected what you say about idling out, as this makes sense. What can I do about it? Thank you so much. (As I try to zip along lest I be disconnected - again...)
: : Janet
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: You have it right - ISP (Internet Service Provider) is basically your server. If they claim that they have no idle daemon running, they should provide you with other suggestions, such as what modem settings to use for error correction (assuming your modem supports this), or whether you should be using hardware handshaking or XON/XOFF. If you are paying for this service, it might motivate them to be more responsive if you let them know how interested you have become in a competitor's services... [evil smirk]
: Joan, too
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It's interesting that you mention that, since I just left another server for this reason and the new one claimed this would not occur with them. I guess everyone will know which server this is since for some reason my address posted on the previous message. I e-mailed Amy but perhaps she actually did go to bed. I don't know what I did wrong, but whoever that profane poster is (mentioned by Amy at the top of the list), please don't send any trashy mail to me. Thank you, Joan, for your help. I will try again with the ___server.
: Janet__________
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Posted by Joan, too on November 06, 1996 at 00:09:21:
: It's interesting that you mention that, since I just left another server for this reason and the new one claimed this would not occur with them.
In this case, you can really put the strong-arm on them - they must make good on their promise.
: I guess everyone will know which server this is since for some reason my address posted on the previous message. I e-mailed Amy but perhaps she actually did go to bed.
I expect so, since it's already past midnight there, and since they announced the winner of the presidential race before the polls even closed out here, there's no point in waiting up for that news. :-(
I don't know what I did wrong,
It looks as if you accidentally pasted your address into the "name" field. I did that once, but noticed it before I submitted it.
but whoever that profane poster is (mentioned by Amy at the top of the list), please don't send any trashy mail to me.
I don't think there's much risk in this case. If it's the one that I saw, it wasn't mean or nasty - just inappropriately worded for our PG-13 rating. ;-) And there are so many postings these days that they are only lasting 2 days before expiring, so it won't be up there very long even if Amy doesn't manage to snag it.
Joan, too
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Posted by Donna on November 06, 1996 at 00:11:55:
: : : : : By so doing, she gave up her freedom, independence and subjected herself to the power of a man who was stronger than herself and, for that matter, stronger than her father or any other man she has ever known.
: : : Since she never had either much practical freedom or any
: : : financial freedom before she married Darcy, I can not see
: : : that she lost anything by marrying. She was not independent
: : : when she met him, and would more likely gain some independence
: : : from the marriage--certainly financially (wealth allows more
: : : freedom than poverty).
: : : Even walking alone the three miles to Netherfield was thought
: : : by the Bingleys (and Darcy) to be an extraordinary and
: : : undignified liberty, which a fashionable young lady should
: : : not dare to attempt. She could not go where she liked or do
: : : what she wished without her father's permission and a
: : : guardian to look after her (at least until she became an old
: : : maid). She had no money of own, only that which her father
: : : could give her. Few women of the day were in Lady C.'s
: : : position of having control over their own lives and finances.
: : : She also grew up with the knowledge that, if none of the
: : : family made a good marriage, they would be booted out of
: : : their house with little to fall back on. If neither Lizzy's
: : : nor Jane's marriage took place, the Bennets would become, on
: : : the death of Mr. Bennet, a poorer version of the
: : : Dashwoods. There is no freedom in poverty.
: : : Ann
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: : Lizzie put the burden on Jane to marry well. If she felt pressured she would have said yes to Darcy the first time. No matter what the circumstances that would be a ruthless survior. She asked Jane "You do not think ill of me." Neither seemed to be worried about it to me. Jane was going to marry Bingley because Mr. Darcy would see to that.
: : Mr. Bennet didn't really seem worried about it either. The only one that worried was Mrs. B. They both said they would like to marry for love. That was their first priority.
: : I beleive that was JA belief. Lizzie marry Mr. Darcy was like icing on the cake. The family was twice as secure.
: : IMHO Donna
: : She had independence and freedom that is why she was able to walk to Nfield. Independence is also a feeling and if you feel free you are. Marrying Darcy she would have more feedom she would have the money to take a carriage. He could never keep her if she didn't want to stay because of her own self convidence. If you love someone you are never totally free. She didn't compromise herself.
: : Donna
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: I believe this 'theory' has more to do with the idea that Lizzy moved from a family headed by her more permissive (or negligent) father to one with a stronger (more capable) lead in Darcy. Perhaps she was attracted to him for this quality after being somewhat let down by her father. It makes little difference since they chose each other on their own for good reasons and feelings.
: As you may suspect, there was another idea included in the above-mentioned critique from which I quoted, but I neglected to mention it for I consider it repugnant. As you may suspect, it has to do with "...envy", the idea of which I detest and resent. I probably still should not mention it, but there it is. So sorry for any offence.
: : Janet
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I assure you that no offence has been taken. Donna
Posted by Janet on November 06, 1996 at 00:18:08:
: : It's interesting that you mention that, since I just left another server for this reason and the new one claimed this would not occur with them.
: In this case, you can really put the strong-arm on them - they must make good on their promise.
: : I guess everyone will know which server this is since for some reason my address posted on the previous message. I e-mailed Amy but perhaps she actually did go to bed.
: I expect so, since it's already past midnight there, and since they announced the winner of the presidential race before the polls even closed out here, there's no point in waiting up for that news. :-(
: I don't know what I did wrong,
: It looks as if you accidentally pasted your address into the "name" field. I did that once, but noticed it before I submitted it.
: but whoever that profane poster is (mentioned by Amy at the top of the list), please don't send any trashy mail to me.
: I don't think there's much risk in this case. If it's the one that I saw, it wasn't mean or nasty - just inappropriately worded for our PG-13 rating. ;-) And there are so many postings these days that they are only lasting 2 days before expiring, so it won't be up there very long even if Amy doesn't manage to snag it.
: Joan, too
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You truly are an angel, Joan. Thank you.
: Janet__________
Posted by Ann on November 06, 1996 at 00:18:31:
: : Speaking of hormones, I wonder if it was Lizzy's going quite berserk which made her react so strongly to Darcy. Certainly seems familiar to me.
: : This week, most certainly due to hormone stuff, I awoke and decided to have my long hair chopped off. The deed having been done, I now look longingly at Lizzy's beautiful locks in the scene in which she tells Jane of her engagement to Darcy.
: : And Speaking of hair, I thought it was very interesting that Lizzy was cast in such soft light at this point--her prejudice having turned inside out, love prevailing; her rather harsh, possibly stylish, hairdo, undone--soft, flowing curls exposed. She looked so beautiful. Darcy would have loved her even sooner, I suspect, had he seen that hair! (Or lusted, perhaps.)
: : ::Tommye
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: I undestand. I lopped off all of my hair, too, and sometimes it drives me crazy - phantom hair! Yes, nothing like a beautiful head of hair to reel in a man. I'm told that most men find long hair very erotic...does this constitute a hair fetish?
: - K
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Just think, Susannah Harker had 2 1/2 feet of her hair cut off in the front in order to play Jane!! That's several years worth of growth!!
Ann
Posted by Zimei on November 06, 1996 at 00:28:39:
At the beginning of episode 1, Lizzy was chatting with Jane in
Jane's bedroom, she made the following remarks:
"If I could love a man who would love me enough to take
me for a mere 50 pounds a year, I should be well pleased
... but such a man can hardly be sensible, you know I can
never love a man without his wits."
I can't quite make it out why Lizzy thinks "such a man can hardly be
sensible", isn't this kind of the love she upholds? Or in that
society, even Lizzy thinks an alliance only out of love and without
any regard to social/econimical eligibiliy is absurd ?
Zimei
Posted by Inko on November 06, 1996 at 00:32:38:
: : :
: : Jonathan Firth is Colin's younger brother. Colin also has a younger sister,Kate, who is apparently also involved in acting. Peter Firth is NOT related (completely different set of parents) although in a book about Masterpiece Theatre they said Peter and Colin were brothers. I think Julian Firth (seen in the Cadfael series) may be Peter's brother.
: : Does anyone know Jonathan's age? He looks so very young in Middlemarch and in a Cadfael episode - maybe there's ten years between Colin and Jonathan.
: : Inko
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: Do Colin and Jonathan bear much resemblance ? Middlemarch has been on my list to watch but haven't got a chance yet ...
: Zimei
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I think there is a definite resemblance - Jonathan looks more like Colin used to look (as in Another Country, Colin's first film) which makes me think Jonathan must be much younger. His eyes aren't as dark though.
Inko
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Posted by Mich on November 06, 1996 at 00:33:18:
: : I'm a bit confused by all the reference to the music to P&P2.
: : Is there a sound track? If so can any of you tell me the name?
: : If there is no sound track can you recommend one with at least
: : some of the music I've heard on P&P?
: : thanks for your help
: : Mich
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: Pardon the repeat, but the soundtrack is an Angel CD with the bar code number 7243 8 36090 2 4
: Joan, too
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Joan, too
forgive my ignorance but what's an angle CD.
Is this CD different from the one posted below as the sound track of P&P? As you can tell I'm not a big CD owner.
Thanks for your help
Mich
Posted by Janet on November 06, 1996 at 00:45:14:
: : "I'd soon rather call her mother a wit".
: : There is absolutely no denying its supreme rudeness, but I cannot help just the same loving that statment . . . and the way he says it. Darcy is so casual, leaning against the fireplace, looking down nonchantly (stirring up the fire?) while he gives one of his pert remarks - something to rival even Lizzie's! Don't get me wrong - I love Lizzie dearly, yet just the same, I cannot help but love that remark. It came so fluent, as if it hardly required a second thought! But, oh, how he will soon regret it!
: : Any other comments/disagreements?
: : Tay
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: Yet another "Get the hell offa my back!" statement from Mr. Darcy. Janet? Tommye? Everyone else from the Famous Darcy threads?
: - K
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So sorry, I was preoccupied with so many posts (and on election night - perhaps this tells us something) that I did not hear my name called.
I, too, was surprised at Darcy's indiscretion with this remark in the film, so I checked the book and it does not appear in that scene, at least.
Don't you think Darcy tried to get the Bingley sisters' goat and may have even enjoyed teasing them, somewhat like an older brother's sly taunting (there we go again)? He definitely did not want to reveal his true feelings, least of all to them, until he was sure of Lizzy. Maybe some of his denials about his feelings for her were meant to lead them down another path and yes - get them off his back. Goodness knows they were climbing all over him - like cats with claws! (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)
: Janet
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Posted by Zimei on November 06, 1996 at 00:50:12:
: : Do Colin and Jonathan bear much resemblance ? Middlemarch has been on my list to watch but haven't got a chance yet ...
: : Zimei
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: I think there is a definite resemblance - Jonathan looks more like Colin used to look (as in Another Country, Colin's first film) which makes me think Jonathan must be much younger. His eyes aren't as dark though.
: Inko
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Thanks Inko ... <sign> so much to watch and so little time.
Zimei
Posted by Mich on November 06, 1996 at 00:53:36:
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: : I think the Daggy thread alone moves us into the PG-13 rating. luckily that as bad as we get.
: : Mich
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: I got bits of the Daggy Thread from the zip file Amy sent me. Most was innuendo and play-on-words -- but was a subject that I had been pondering and wanting to bring
: up. :-J
: Anne
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ok I'm game
did you want to know what the daggy thread was about
or
did you want "clarity" on the subject? PG-13 of course.
Mich
Posted by Amy on November 06, 1996 at 00:55:02:
: I wish someone would point out to A&E that we buy things--such as the video "Making of P&P"!!! Then maybe we could get them to sell it at least!
: Ann
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Yeah. They don't get it. They see us as already sold, I think. Fanatic marketing is a tricky thing with widely varying opinions.
The other option, as others have pointed out, is Usenet. Downside: no fun with HTML, no pictures, links. Upside, better tool for this amount of traffic. Over 200 posts today. Pretty soon I will have to cut the message life to one day to keep the main page a reasonable size and be able to better control the delete functions and other admin systems.
Amy
Posted by Anna on November 06, 1996 at 00:57:47:
: I have often wondered what Mr Darcy would be called in private. Mr Darcy? Darcy? Fitzwilliam? Fitz? William?
: Another Anne
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Myself I prefer Darcy - Fitzwilliam is *too* confusing (what were his parents thinking of), Mr is too formal, Fitz too twee (besides being a polite way of saying 'bastard of'), William is incorrect. Maybe we should come up with a middle name for him, historically inaccurate though it be.
Anna
Posted by Amy on November 06, 1996 at 01:05:50:
: Ann2 ( Iīll cure that with the evening dose of Priprejudin)
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Ann2, that's the name of our passion in Swedish? I like its looks very well indeed.
Amy
Posted by Mich on November 06, 1996 at 01:06:12:
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: : DonnaT
: : I wish I could part with my tape long enough to lend it out.
: : This how bad I've become. Somehow when trying to order a copy of P&P1 I accidently order the 2 tape version of P&P2. I already have the 6 tape version but I can't bring myself to send back the one order by mistake. I keep telling myself I might need it someday. Do I need to get a grip and send the thing back or what? Oh, both sets were $100.
: : In great need of professional help for the obsession
: : Mich
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: While it is always a good idea to have back-up copies, you might want to consider returning one of the P&P2's. That way, you wouldn't feel guilty at all for ordering Emma whenever it's available.
: If you think you're bad, I'm thinking about applying for a credit card just so I can order P&P stuff ove the phone and internet!
: Stefanie
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Thank you, that's the perfect rationalization.
As for the CC I'd suggest American express. you can't build up debt and it hep build a good credit rating.
your right, ordering P&P stuff would be very inconvenient without credit. Good luck
Mich
Posted by Lyn on November 06, 1996 at 01:14:20:
After watching the tapes about 500 times, I started to watch
the people in the background, sometimes picking a particular
person to look for. This was fascinating! I just loved Mary's look as they were all saying goodbye to Lydia and Wickham. She was the only one willing to make them feel uncomfortable!! Also at the Parsonage when Fitzwilliam sat back and crossed his arms to listen to Lizzie and Darcy. The best of the lost was the wedding scene. Try playing this in slow motion and watch the crowd. Did anyone see Georgina throw rose petals at Lizzie, leaving a couple stuck to her chest. Great stuff.
Posted by Janet on November 06, 1996 at 01:20:36:
: : :
: : : No, but I might eat the cat.
: : : - K
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: : Cute. You must not be as compulsive as some of us -- about this anyway. I suppose you will have to be a little compulsive in other positive ways to succeed in law school. You are going to write one great brief, Kali.
: : Amy
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: Thanks! Actually, if left to my own devices, I would probably be exhibiting ultra-compulsive behaviour about the tapings at this point. Right now, honors thesis is forcing me to be compulsive about Upton Sinclair, the '34 CA gubernatorial race, and ag. laborism during the depression (borrrring). Otherwise, it would be P&P only - my first love!
: - K
: PS - Don't tell my cats about the above - please?!
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Kali, are we back to cats again or is this just another obsession? (I finally noticed your post on yet another thread about the sly one.)
: Janet
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Posted by Stefanie on November 06, 1996 at 01:34:56:
: Thank you, that's the perfect rationalization.
: As for the CC I'd suggest American express. you can't build up debt and it hep build a good credit rating.
: your right, ordering P&P stuff would be very inconvenient without credit. Good luck
: Mich
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And thank you for the great info. That's exactly what I need!
Stefanie
Posted by Ann2 on November 06, 1996 at 01:38:11:
: : So here goes on our favorite topic.
: : 1. Have you played video editor to such an extent as you never have before with this film -- taping the first time with commercials, retaping in August, carefully editing the commercials? Contemplating setting your alarm to wake up instead of programming the VCR for the upcoming commercial-free cablecase so you have no untidy lead-ins between episodes?
: : 2. If, God forbid, Clinton were murdered tonight, would you still have the presence of mind to tape P&P in the morning?
: : 3. Are those of you who own the tape still going to tape it as a back-up or pusher's copy?
: : Amy
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: 1. yes
: 2. yes
: 3. yes
: Need I say more?
: Joan, too
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1. I have three copies and still am rather reluctant to lend them out, careful not to mention them to unreliable people.
You all seem so generous, I am ashamed of myself.
Oneis the complete twotapes set from BBC(that is the most precious one as it has no text to hide vital parts of the picture).Oneis a recording from the second airing in june here in Sweden. I was well prepared then with new tape. The third oneis the one that gives the addiction away I suppose. It is not complete,as tape two starts at the beginning of the Netherfield ball (this must have been when I started to realise that I would want to see this again - ha! some understatement!) And tape three is mixed with some parts from a friends taping so it doubles a tiny bit at the beginning of first proposal.
But - and this I strongly recommend for repeated viewing - I have put together, at the end of tape four (longing look and Lizzy looking back...)every thing with Darcy on it(from tapes 5&6) so I can get a quick resumé of all the best parts if time is short. And not quite as logical perhaps, after the full tapes 5&6 I have got Darcy from tapes 1-4 in this quick version.
So I cherish all three versions and at the rebroadcasting did not miss one minute of it though I had it all on tape...
Thatīs obsession is it not?
No new airing in Sweden so question 2 and 3 donīt apply - but next week I shall see Emma with Gwen and Jeremy!!
Ann2
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