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Posted by Stefanie on November 05, 1996 at 18:44:29:
: Sorry! That thread up there is mine, but I didn't know there was another Sarah...
: :Sarah2
: P.S. Okay, now, didn't Mr. Darcy say about Lizzie, "She, pretty? I'd as soon call her mother a witch!" ?
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No, I'm pretty sure that he said "wit." I don't think that witch would make as much snese. As I do not have a copy of the book nat hand, I can not verify it for sure, but I am 99.99% sure.
Stefanie
Posted by Stefanie on November 05, 1996 at 18:44:39:
: Sorry! That thread up there is mine, but I didn't know there was another Sarah...
: :Sarah2
: P.S. Okay, now, didn't Mr. Darcy say about Lizzie, "She, pretty? I'd as soon call her mother a witch!" ?
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No, I'm pretty sure that he said "wit." I don't think that witch would make as much snese. As I do not have a copy of the book nat hand, I can not verify it for sure, but I am 99.99% sure.
Stefanie
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Posted by Kali on November 05, 1996 at 18:49:42:
: Yes, but in the book, this encounter is in the afternoon (confusingly called morning - morning extended to dinner time in 1812). I also think that Georgiana has gone to bed in P&P2 - after all she is much younger than the rest of the party.
: Anna
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I thought dinner, in 18th/19th c. England and early America, was actually what we call lunch, and what we call dinner was called supper. If that's the case, then it really would be morning, and not afternoon. That is, unless you know something I don't. Will you please explain?
- K
Posted by Kali on November 05, 1996 at 18:55:22:
: It does not appear that Lydia needed too much encouragement to go to bed!
: Cheryl
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I was surprised we went as long as we did without someone making a crack about sex. This _is_ the Bed Thread, after all! ;-}
- K
Posted by Tay on November 05, 1996 at 19:02:38:
: : Sorry! That thread up there is mine, but I didn't know there was another Sarah...
: : :Sarah2
: : P.S. Okay, now, didn't Mr. Darcy say about Lizzie, "She, pretty? I'd as soon call her mother a witch!" ?
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: No, I'm pretty sure that he said "wit." I don't think that witch would make as much snese. As I do not have a copy of the book nat hand, I can not verify it for sure, but I am 99.99% sure.
: Stefanie
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Sarah and Stefanie,
FOr sure, he said he'd soon call her mother a 'wit'. He means it sarcastically, because he doesn't first think Lizzie is so very pretty. If he had said 'witch', it would sort of be like a compliment, don't you think? He'd rather call her mother a witch than call her pretty, but then her mother, in a way, is like a witch? Or am I just going on about nothing?
Tay
Posted by Ann on November 05, 1996 at 19:05:41:
: : My family used to play "Pose the Horrible Question." Maybe that is why I am so odd. Like, my dad would ask, "If you were starving, would you eat Pudgy?" (Our cat.)
: : A few years ago I was doing a survey for Exposures, the photo accessories catalog, and asked customers, "If your home was lost in a fire, which picture would you most hate to lose?" 5% of the respondents called me cruel or mean.
: : So here goes on our favorite topic.
: : 1. Have you played video editor to such an extent as you never have before with this film -- taping the first time with commercials, retaping in August, carefully editing the commercials? Contemplating setting your alarm to wake up instead of programming the VCR for the upcoming commercial-free cablecase so you have no untidy lead-ins between episodes?
: : 2. If, God forbid, Clinton were murdered tonight, would you still have the presence of mind to tape P&P in the morning?
: : 3. Are those of you who own the tape still going to tape it as a back-up or pusher's copy?
: : Amy
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: No, but I might eat the cat.
: - K
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Kali,
ROFLOL!!
Ann
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Posted by Kali on November 05, 1996 at 19:07:20:
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: : Cool. The Dagmistress likes me. She really likes me! ; )
: : - K
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: LOL - never been called the Dagmistress before!
: I've forgotten what all these smilies mean. I've just been trying to imagine P&P written with smilies!
: Hey, why don't we make it polygomy in Australia; the Antarctic is way too cold. I'm sure there is a reasonably isolated warm place we could find here.
: Hilary
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Okay, Australia it is! Question - what does LOL stand for? (I'm an idiot, I know!)...
Oh yeah - the smileys - I guess you could say they are the little ambassadors of inarticulate harmlessness, deriving their greatness from a desire to avoid flame wars without having to become a more effective writer. Jane Austen probably wouldn't have needed them. On the other hand, she may have used them to great effect at the parts where someone of the present - like us! - would have included a dirty-minded little aside.
About the Dagmistress thing - wasn't it you who introduced the word to the list?
- K
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Posted by Zimei on November 05, 1996 at 19:07:28:
: : : : I just ordered the book, The Making of Pride and Prejudice from Penquin. I could not find it here in the US. Is the book worth it?
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: : : Very much so. You'll enjoy it
: : : Mich
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: : I got mine yesterday. I couldn't put it down. I saved the CF chapter for last :-).
: : Ann
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: When I got my copy I was so tempted to go straight to that cahpter, especially having heard so much about page 98 :) but I made myself read it from cover to cover, and it was worth it!
: I've lent it to a friend of mine, and I'm suffering withdrawal :(
: I definitely recommend buying it.
: Saman
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Saman, I'm even in a more pitiable situation - I've lent the book to a friend whom I just got my tapes back from a couple of days ago. And my tapes are going to another friend tonight.
But - this time I'm more prepared, yesterday I dubbed an audio version of pp&2, now I can listen to Darcy declaring how ardently he admired and loved Lizzy when I'm driving!
I think somewhere between this audio version of the pp&2 and this BB, I'll manage to survive until I got my tapes and book back ...
Zimei
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Posted by Stefanie on November 05, 1996 at 19:09:43:
: There's a covetousness to it, maybe. It's a proprietary gaze. (Covetousness is awkward, I know. But it's the only word I can think of... My mind is racing as I think about CF's looks. I'd better stop now.)
: : -Arnessa.
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: Dear Arnessa,
: I sometime have to check my french/english Harrap's: covetousness = convoitise which brings me to the following:
: - exciter les convoitises = to excit envy
: - convoiter (verb) = to lust after, to look lustfully at
: do not want to be rude, but is this his (deep down) innermost feeling ?
: Johanne
: (fellow P&P2 lover's, please bear with me my learning of a vocabulary larger than the usual business english babble)
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I don't mean to jump in, but I think Arnessa meant covetous as in "excessively desirpous of another's possesions" ie Lizzy.
Stefanie
Posted by Kali on November 05, 1996 at 19:13:25:
: : No, but I might eat the cat.
: : - K
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: Kali,
: ROFLOL!!
: Ann
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Ann,
I already asked Hilary this, but what does LOL mean? While I'm asking, what does ROFLOL mean?
I know I'm a Lamer,
Kali
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Posted by Grace on November 05, 1996 at 19:15:31:
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: : : : Let's be really good to Hannah....after she goes to work at Pemberley, she will be snubbed by Mr. Darcy's proud and conceited valet. Never able to get over the slight, she will be blindly prejudiced against him and unable to see that he is falling madly in love with her. Meanwhile, she is attracted by the easy, unaffected manners of the Gardiners' groomsman (the cute one with the white wig).To Hannah and all the other house staff, it is not known that this groomsman,whenever he is in town, tries to seduce the parlormaid, who happens to be the valet's beloved younger sister.
: : : Need I continue?
: : : Grace
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: : Oh, Grace you're at it again!
: : Bernie
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: LOL. No, only half at it. You've forgotten all the theories about servant girls that we delved into before.
: Hilary
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: Ladies, because of your cheeky comments, you leave me no choice but to continue:
..........just as Hannah and the valet are about to declare their love, dreadful news arrives ---- Hannah's brother (the under-gardener) has run off with the wicked guy in the white wig. Some people just love a man in uniform.Because of the scandal, Hannah feels that all is lost.....for the valet would not want to marry the sister of The Groomsman's Groom.
Grace
P.S. Hilary, I may have given the story a decidedly 90's slant, but you will note that none of my characters are delving into servant girls.
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Posted by Mich on November 05, 1996 at 19:22:19:
: My family used to play "Pose the Horrible Question." Maybe that is why I am so odd. Like, my dad would ask, "If you were starving, would you eat Pudgy?" (Our cat.)
: A few years ago I was doing a survey for Exposures, the photo accessories catalog, and asked customers, "If your home was lost in a fire, which picture would you most hate to lose?" 5% of the respondents called me cruel or mean.
: So here goes on our favorite topic.
: 1. Have you played video editor to such an extent as you never have before with this film -- taping the first time with commercials, retaping in August, carefully editing the commercials? Contemplating setting your alarm to wake up instead of programming the VCR for the upcoming commercial-free cablecase so you have no untidy lead-ins between episodes?
: 2. If, God forbid, Clinton were murdered tonight, would you still have the presence of mind to tape P&P in the morning?
: 3. Are those of you who own the tape still going to tape it as a back-up or pusher's copy?
: Amy
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1. I'm setting my alarm just to make sure my timer works. It's never failed me before but I would be crushed if it did this time.
2. Nothing against Clinton but I would still tape P&P2.
3.This will be my back up to a back up copy. I may lend it out but only to a fellow addict, or a good romantic who has lots of addict potential.
I'm a lost soul
Mich
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Posted by Ann on November 05, 1996 at 19:24:27:
: :
: : : : Uhum. Lydia is fifteen.
: : : : Tay.
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: : : She was fifteen when she almost eloped with Wickham--the previous summer.
: : : Ann
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: : Lydia, the previous summner ? I'm sure you're thinking of Georgiana
: : Johanne
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: I believe you are right.
: In an attept to sort this little quandry once and for all, we know that Lydia is sixteen when she marries Wickham (31st August). Now in the film Lizzie corrects Wickham and tells him Lydia is 15 not 16. This is after Lizzie gets back from Rosings (about the third week in May) and before Wickham and Co. depart for Brighton (June sometime). Therefore Lydia's sixteenth birthday must have been between the middle of June and the end of August.
: I hope this makes sense.
: Bernie
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I think Lydia and Georgiana are approximately the same age--which increases the parallel between the two.
Ann
Posted by Grace on November 05, 1996 at 19:42:55:
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: : I don't think coffee and muffins has the necessary pizzaz. Too 'here we are again in our cosy armchair'. Maybe a shot of the offering in the coffee? perhaps a champagne breakfast with strawberries and croissants? That should push the right buttons (are you all re-recording?). Starboard definitly; up with the mast, off down the slip-way - happy sailing into the sunset. Good luck!
: : Hilary
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: Agreed. How about Saturday afternoon. Alone in the house. Champagne and popcorn and a self foot massage with some fragrant oil.
: Amy
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: ......Ahh, we always come back to the first refinements of polished societies, don't we?
Grace
Posted by Grace on November 05, 1996 at 19:46:54:
: Okay, this message has nothing to do with P&P2, so please
: forgive me for posting it. I just thought it might be of
: interest to my fellow Colin fans out there.
: I came across the web site for the preview for The English
: Patient. I just downloaded the trailer and watched it...
: it looks like it's going to be a great movie!
: The trailer features brief (REALLY BRIEF) clips of Colin....
: but it's definitely worth checking out just to see him looking
: gorgeous as always.
: The link below is for the Miramax home page.
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: Alicia, thanks for this.
Also, did you ever get the Bernard Taylor CD you wanted?
Grace
Posted by Jaime on November 05, 1996 at 19:54:55:
: : My family used to play "Pose the Horrible Question." Maybe that is why I am so odd. Like, my dad would ask, "If you were starving, would you eat Pudgy?" (Our cat.)
: : A few years ago I was doing a survey for Exposures, the photo accessories catalog, and asked customers, "If your home was lost in a fire, which picture would you most hate to lose?" 5% of the respondents called me cruel or mean.
: : So here goes on our favorite topic.
: : 1. Have you played video editor to such an extent as you never have before with this film -- taping the first time with commercials, retaping in August, carefully editing the commercials? Contemplating setting your alarm to wake up instead of programming the VCR for the upcoming commercial-free cablecase so you have no untidy lead-ins between episodes?
: : 2. If, God forbid, Clinton were murdered tonight, would you still have the presence of mind to tape P&P in the morning?
: : 3. Are those of you who own the tape still going to tape it as a back-up or pusher's copy?
: : Amy
:
: ___________________
: 1. I'm setting my alarm just to make sure my timer works. It's never failed me before but I would be crushed if it did this time.
: 2. Nothing against Clinton but I would still tape P&P2.
: 3.This will be my back up to a back up copy. I may lend it out but only to a fellow addict, or a good romantic who has lots of addict potential.
: I'm a lost soul
: Mich
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I think that anybody in their right mind would tape P&P tomight just because it was the greatest movie ever viewed. It would have been wonderful if my dog had not eaten my previous set that cost me 100 dollars. I am going to make a back-up replacement copy tonight.. I love Darcy sooo much, I just want to fuck his brains out!!
Posted by Janet on November 05, 1996 at 20:04:07:
: Mary Wollstonecraft spent most of her life mooning over pissy men.
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: : : Mr. Darcy can render me barefoot and pregnant any day
: : : K
: : : P.S. Would you believe that I wrote this whole damn thing out once before, then Netscape crashed, and so I had to retype the freaking message again? I hope somebody reads this, for what it's worth! ;-)
: : _________
: : : Janet
: : P.S. Since my connection also goes dead if I spend too much time in one place, I have to be quick to post online. More later...
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: Like your turn of phrase there, Kali. I'm glad you persisted because I enjoyed what you wrote and I agree.
: Janet, is it your modem that falls out and loses the connection? If it is, try unplugging all other phone connections in the house. (or are you in an office?)
: Hilary
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Hilary, how could one ever do this at an office? I commend any of you if you are able to do so, but alas, I am on my Mac at home - which has an internal modem, so it does not fall out (what an image that doth convey!). No, I'll be merrily scrolling or typing along, dwelling too long on a single page and then - click! - the connection drops. So I have to reconnect and reconstruct where I was. My server says it's not their problem so I guess it's mine. (I have already switched servers but still have the same trouble.) Does anyone know a solution for this other than speed reading/typing - (or, as one of you was kind to suggest, to disconnect and switch to a word processor which is disruptive)?
: Janet
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Posted by Hilary on November 05, 1996 at 20:05:44:
: :
: : LOL - never been called the Dagmistress before!
: : I've forgotten what all these smilies mean. I've just been trying to imagine P&P written with smilies!
: : Hey, why don't we make it polygomy in Australia; the Antarctic is way too cold. I'm sure there is a reasonably isolated warm place we could find here.
: : Hilary
:
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: Okay, Australia it is! Question - what does LOL stand for? (I'm an idiot, I know!)...
: Oh yeah - the smileys - I guess you could say they are the little ambassadors of inarticulate harmlessness, deriving their greatness from a desire to avoid flame wars without having to become a more effective writer. Jane Austen probably wouldn't have needed them. On the other hand, she may have used them to great effect at the parts where someone of the present - like us! - would have included a dirty-minded little aside.
: About the Dagmistress thing - wasn't it you who introduced the word to the list?
: - K
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Not an idiot at all. LOL means laughing out loud, although Donna introduced us to the alternative that is so appropriate to us on this BB - look of longing.
And the Dagmistress?? Yes, I admit it, I'm guilty, I introduced it, shoot me now! (thanks Arnessa).
Hilary
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