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Posted by Sarah 2 on November 05, 1996 at 17:41:16:
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: : "I'd soon rather call her mother a wit".
: : There is absolutely no denying its supreme rudeness, but I cannot help just the same loving that statment . . . and the way he says it. Darcy is so casual, leaning against the fireplace, looking down nonchantly (stirring up the fire?) while he gives one of his pert remarks - something to rival even Lizzie's! Don't get me wrong - I love Lizzie dearly, yet just the same, I cannot help but love that remark. It came so fluent, as if it hardly required a second thought! But, oh, how he will soon regret it!
: : Any other comments/disagreements?
: : Tay
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: Um, I'm new here, but, correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't Mr. Darcy say, "I'd as soon call her mother a WITCH"? I thought maybe... I LOVED the movie, and as I can see, you did, too....
: :Sarah
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Sorry! That thread up there is mine, but I didn't know there was another Sarah...
:Sarah2
P.S. Okay, now, didn't Mr. Darcy say about Lizzie, "She, pretty? I'd as soon call her mother a witch!" ?
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Posted by Leslie on November 05, 1996 at 17:44:52:
: Darcy's walk in the gallery & his vision of Lizzie at the pianoforte is one of my favorite scenes--it just shows how enraptured he is.
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: : I get the same impression. It's a great acting job by Colin Firth. His changes of expression are
: : subtle but very realistic. In the initial look (while Elizabeth is playing) Darcy's eyes shift briefly
: : from Elizabeth to Georgiana then back. (I missed this the first 10 or 20 times I watched this
: : scene -- and even now I sometimes miss it if I blink!) His look of contentment is more pronounced
: : (slightly) after his eyes refocus on Elizabeth. I get the impression that he is thoroughly enjoying
: : having the two women he most cares about side by side in his house, getting to know each
: : other. It is enough for the moment -- in fact, it is probably all he can deal with emotionally at that
: : moment.
: : Just a thought.
: : kathleen
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: I also love the subtle change of expression during the first look. That hint of smile increases as he watches Lizzy. The change is really subtle (amazing performance by Colin) but if you rewind the tape it is quite evident (in reverse of course).
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: Everytime I get to the Pemberly music scene I try to restrain myself not to rewind it for several times in fear of wearing my favorite part of the tape out, but I haven't succeeded once. The scene is trully breath-taking - I found myself literally holding my breath as I going through those looks, I shall die of suffocation should they make the scene any longer :)
: And That Walk - I also love Darcy's elegant walk through the gallery in the dark with his dogs later in the scene. It's lovely to see how his mind is immersed in thoughts of Lizzy in those solitary moments.
: Zimei
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Posted by Sarah2 on November 05, 1996 at 17:47:13:
Hello Anika! I'm Sarah. Tell your mom that I'm 14 also, and I'm beginning to come here, too. I think it's fun!
:Sarah2
Posted by Sarah2 on November 05, 1996 at 17:54:30:
: At last! The video with the music scene and the Look .
: After watching this scene numerous times, I am struck by the various
: expressions that Darcy shows during this scene.
Beautiful, just beautiful. That was a beyond-perfect scene. Darcy has that trace of a smile, that hint of admiration and passion...Ohhhhhhh............
:Sarah2
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Posted by Sarah2 on November 05, 1996 at 17:55:56:
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: : At last! The video with the music scene and the Look .
: : After watching this scene numerous times, I am struck by the various
: : expressions that Darcy shows during this scene.
Posted by Hilary on November 05, 1996 at 18:07:15:
: : : Let's be really good to Hannah....after she goes to work at Pemberley, she will be snubbed by Mr. Darcy's proud and conceited valet. Never able to get over the slight, she will be blindly prejudiced against him and unable to see that he is fally madly in love with her. Meanwhile, she is attracted by the easy, unaffected manners of the Gardiners' groomsman (the cute one with the white wig).To Hannah and all the other house staff, it is not known that this groomsman,whenever he is in town, tries to seduce the parlormaid, who happens to be the valet's beloved younger sister.
: : Need I continue?
: : Grace
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: Oh, Grace you're at it again!
: Bernie
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LOL. No, only half at it. You've forgotten all the theories about servant girls that we delved into before.
Hilary
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Posted by Inko on November 05, 1996 at 18:07:48:
: : : I'm a firm believer that marriage in E and D's situation is one in which two people are the complementary halves of a single positive force. Healthy marriage is a partnership, a state of happiness and fulfillment which transcends sexual politics and defies feminist deconstructionism and Freud's overactive imagination.
: : : Mr. Darcy can render me barefoot and pregnant any day,
: : : K
: : : P.S. Would you believe that I wrote this whole damn thing out once before, then Netscape crashed, and so I had to retype the freaking message again? I hope somebody reads this, for what it's worth! ;-}
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: : [[[ S T A N D I N G . O V A T I O N ]]]
: : I've been trying to get around to something along these lines, but you have done it much better than I would have!
: : AMEN!
: : Joan, too
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: I totally agree with what you said, there is no way I could have put it so eloquently, and I echo Joan, too's [[[ S T A N D I N G . O V A T I O N ]]].
: Bernie
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Add another [[[STANDING OVATION]]]. I have long thought just what you wrote, but couldn't find the words so well. As Elizabeth said to Jane in the first bedroom scene "only the deepest love will induce me into matrimony" - and it did!
Inko
Posted by Kali on November 05, 1996 at 18:08:52:
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: : : : Just playing, Kali. Cajun Man? I assure I was doing no such impression. Just tired, old, and crochety. Birthday coming up and hormones exploding.
: : : : :Tommye
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: : : Come on, you're not old! Happy birthday! Remember, you're only as old as you come off in your bb messages!
: : : - K
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: : Tommye, of all the posters on this board, surely YOU are NOT old! Happy Birthday!!! Now hormones are another issue, but I daresay I would not wish to return to the raging teens.
: : : Janet
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: Speaking of hormones, I wonder if it was Lizzy's going quite berserk which made her react so strongly to Darcy. Certainly seems familiar to me.
: This week, most certainly due to hormone stuff, I awoke and decided to have my long hair chopped off. The deed having been done, I now look longingly at Lizzy's beautiful locks in the scene in which she tells Jane of her engagement to Darcy.
: And Speaking of hair, I thought it was very interesting that Lizzy was cast in such soft light at this point--her prejudice having turned inside out, love prevailing; her rather harsh, possibly stylish, hairdo, undone--soft, flowing curls exposed. She looked so beautiful. Darcy would have loved her even sooner, I suspect, had he seen that hair! (Or lusted, perhaps.)
: ::Tommye
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I undestand. I lopped off all of my hair, too, and sometimes it drives me crazy - phantom hair! Yes, nothing like a beautiful head of hair to reel in a man. I'm told that most men find long hair very erotic...does this constitute a hair fetish?
- K
Posted by Amy on November 05, 1996 at 18:19:51:
My family used to play "Pose the Horrible Question." Maybe that is why I am so odd. Like, my dad would ask, "If you were starving, would you eat Pudgy?" (Our cat.)
A few years ago I was doing a survey for Exposures, the photo accessories catalog, and asked customers, "If your home was lost in a fire, which picture would you most hate to lose?" 5% of the respondents called me cruel or mean.
So here goes on our favorite topic.
1. Have you played video editor to such an extent as you never have before with this film -- taping the first time with commercials, retaping in August, carefully editing the commercials? Contemplating setting your alarm to wake up instead of programming the VCR for the upcoming commercial-free cablecase so you have no untidy lead-ins between episodes?
2. If, God forbid, Clinton were murdered tonight, would you still have the presence of mind to tape P&P in the morning?
3. Are those of you who own the tape still going to tape it as a back-up or pusher's copy?
Amy
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Posted by The Dagmistress! on November 05, 1996 at 18:21:12:
: Cool. The Dagmistress likes me. She really likes me! ; )
: - K
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LOL - never been called the Dagmistress before!
I've forgotten what all these smilies mean. I've just been trying to imagine P&P written with smilies!
Hey, why don't we make it polygomy in Australia; the Antarctic is way too cold. I'm sure there is a reasonably isolated warm place we could find here.
Hilary
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Posted by Cheryl on November 05, 1996 at 18:23:06:
: Chapter 45 or Volume 3 Chapter 3
: Right after Caroline Bingley's snide comment about the ___shire being removed from Meryton.
: ..."Not a syllable had ever reached her of Miss Darcy's meditated elopement. To no creature had it been revealed, where secrecy was possible, except to Elizabeth; and from all Bingley's connections her brother was particularly anxious to conceal it from that very wish which Elizabeth had long ago attributed to him, of their becoming hereafter her own. He had certainly formed such a plan, and without meaning that it is probable that it might add something to his lively concern for the welfare of his friend."
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The Bingleys know nothing of Georgianna's close call with Wickham. Darcy had hoped that Georgianna and Bingley would marry (as Lizzy thought he had hoped- this is also what Bingley's sisters wanted) and if word of the aborted elopement got out, Bingley might be less inclined to marry Georgianna. This wish of Darcy's may also have played a part in his splitting up of Bingley and Jane.
At least that's how I see it- I may be all wrong!
Cheryl
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Posted by Stefanie on November 05, 1996 at 18:25:50:
: : Chapter 45 or Volume 3 Chapter 3
: : Right after Caroline Bingley's snide comment about the ___shire being removed from Meryton.
: : ..."Not a syllable had ever reached her of Miss Darcy's meditated elopement. To no creature had it been revealed, where secrecy was possible, except to Elizabeth; and from all Bingley's connections her brother was particularly anxious to conceal it from that very wish which Elizabeth had long ago attributed to him, of their becoming hereafter her own. He had certainly formed such a plan, and without meaning that it is probable that it might add something to his lively concern for the welfare of his friend."
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: The Bingleys know nothing of Georgianna's close call with Wickham. Darcy had hoped that Georgianna and Bingley would marry (as Lizzy thought he had hoped- this is also what Bingley's sisters wanted) and if word of the aborted elopement got out, Bingley might be less inclined to marry Georgianna. This wish of Darcy's may also have played a part in his splitting up of Bingley and Jane.
: At least that's how I see it- I may be all wrong!
: Cheryl
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I agree with you completly. That is exactly how I interpreted it.
Stefanie
Posted by Terese on November 05, 1996 at 18:29:29:
: : I spent part of the weekend immersed in the second-most pleasurable
: : mini-series: Middlemarch
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Raphael, I rewatched most of Middlemarch this weekend as well! I don't like the film so well as P&P but the novel is one of my favorites, at time maybe the favorite. At this point in my life a story about marriage is more directly relevant than a story about courtship. Such complex sometimes dark ideas in that little tale.
: I'd welcome a discussion of it though I fear it would consume me. Should we do a seperate list? But maybe not til after the first of the year? My ISP is going to kill me.
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Could you guys please tell me what I'm missing? I just can't get interested in Middlemarch. In fact, I can't even get half way through the book without being totally bored. What don't I get? Some people have told me that you either like George Elliot, or you don't. Is that true? If you guys (whose taste in literature is to be admired) tell me that it's really worth it, I will endeavour to read it, otherwise, I'd rather watch grass grow.
Posted by Kali on November 05, 1996 at 18:29:47:
...I think you may be hit on the only bad thing about this addiction -- that your interpretation centers too wholly around the adaptation. You forget JA's intention.
: Amy
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THIS is the kind of danger I was trying to discuss in my first post (early last month). What's even more dangerous (and DIna, I know this doesn't apply to you!) is that some fans of the films never actually get to the books, and so never get a chance to experience JA's intentions/ideas/themes firsthand - not that the film's filtered versions are incorrect or misleading on the whole. Rather, and I think we all agree on this, it is important to utilize the films as complementary, companion sources to the novels when we analyze the stories, and not as substitutes for the real thing. An adapted film is merely an interpretation of a novel.
My friend Chris, who hasn't read any Austen, stated in an e-Mail message this morning: "You know, it's too bad that many of our generation will know Austen only from films (especially guys). I think I'll go out and buy a copy of _Pride and Prejudice_ as you prescribe."
Later,
K
Posted by Donna on November 05, 1996 at 18:32:02:
: : : : You weren't gone very long. It is a good thing because I didn't say good bye. Good bye, like your hat. Hello, like your graphic. Anyway you can't forget the missings scenes. P-G 13 usually means bad language doesn't in all forms.
: : : : ciao Donna
: : : : P.S. Go dogs Go Dr. Suess
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: : : Donna, my dear,
: : : Have you ever considered a warning label for yourself? If you can see the graphic, why have I been fooling around with it for a 1/2 hour? I can't see it. This happened to Henry once and everybody else could see it but him. I am going to bed. I am only 42 and need my rest.
: : : Amy
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: : Oh sorry I had no idea what you were trying to do.
: : It was there the first time you put it in.
: : Donna
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: Not on my browser - it said document had no data???
: Joan, too
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What can I say. It was there when I happen upon the message.
Donna
Posted by Kali on November 05, 1996 at 18:33:01:
: My family used to play "Pose the Horrible Question." Maybe that is why I am so odd. Like, my dad would ask, "If you were starving, would you eat Pudgy?" (Our cat.)
: A few years ago I was doing a survey for Exposures, the photo accessories catalog, and asked customers, "If your home was lost in a fire, which picture would you most hate to lose?" 5% of the respondents called me cruel or mean.
: So here goes on our favorite topic.
: 1. Have you played video editor to such an extent as you never have before with this film -- taping the first time with commercials, retaping in August, carefully editing the commercials? Contemplating setting your alarm to wake up instead of programming the VCR for the upcoming commercial-free cablecase so you have no untidy lead-ins between episodes?
: 2. If, God forbid, Clinton were murdered tonight, would you still have the presence of mind to tape P&P in the morning?
: 3. Are those of you who own the tape still going to tape it as a back-up or pusher's copy?
: Amy
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No, but I might eat the cat.
- K
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Posted by Raphael on November 05, 1996 at 18:33:08:
: Jonathan Firth, isn't that Colin Firth's brother ?
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I believe Jonathan Firth is his brother, though check the Firth FAQ just to be sure. I know there are Firths out there mistakenly thought to be related, but which aren't.
Cordially,
Raphael
Posted by Raphael on November 05, 1996 at 18:39:32:
: I'd welcome a discussion of it though I fear it would consume me. Should we do a seperate list? But maybe not til after the first of the year? My ISP is going to kill me.
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Chuzzlewit is also one of my very favorites. The BBC's "new" mini-series style, if you will, is eminently agreeable. P&P2, Chuzzlewit, and Middlemarch all fall under this category. When I first watched Chuzzlewit I thought it better than Middlemarch, but on re-watching the latter on video I am not so sure. Perhaps a new viewing of Chuzzlewit is in order, though I have not been able to locate it on video -- for rent or sale.
I will wait for a full discussion of Middlemarch until it is agreeable. I am not so sure a new list would be appropriate -- it simply has too much to associate it with P&P2, and a joint discussion of the two and their similarities, &c, would be very nice. Our only danger, truly, is the nearly limitless food for consideration lurking in the production.
Cordially,
Raphael
Posted by Raphael on November 05, 1996 at 18:43:25:
: Raphael,
: Have you also seen the recent BBC adaptation of Martin Chuzzlewit? It also stars Elizabeth Spriggs and Julia Sawalha, amongst others.
: Bernie
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Yes, I have, and like I was saying to Amy, I thought it was even better than Middlemarch. I am not so sure since I have re-watched Middlemarch on video. I have searched for some time for Chuzzlewit on video and have not been able to locate it, either for rent or sale. In my local Borders, filled with all the other BBC adaptions and mini-series (including a very prominent stand-up display for P&P2), they have no Chuzzlewit. Does anyone know if it is out on video?
Which do you prefer, Chuzzlewit or Middlemarch? Elizabeth Spriggs certainly is a frequent presence -- she will in addition be in Paradise Road with Jennifer Ehle coming next year.
Cordially,
Raphael
Posted by Stefanie on November 05, 1996 at 18:44:25:
: Sorry! That thread up there is mine, but I didn't know there was another Sarah...
: :Sarah2
: P.S. Okay, now, didn't Mr. Darcy say about Lizzie, "She, pretty? I'd as soon call her mother a witch!" ?
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No, I'm pretty sure that he said "wit." I don't think that witch would make as much snese. As I do not have a copy of the book nat hand, I can not verify it for sure, but I am 99.99% sure.
Stefanie
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