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Posted by Tommye on November 04, 1996 at 21:46:55:
: : ___________________
: : What was the reaction of the boys during the movie. We don't seem to have male points of view. Except for the ObVIOUS reasons.
: : Donna
::Hey, Donna. Eric is a boy, methinks. And he has some pretty clever insights!
Posted by Amy on November 04, 1996 at 21:49:51:
: Hello, everyone. I have just been kicked off the Austen-L ___________________
Posted by Inko on November 04, 1996 at 22:07:28:
I'd assume it was Ehle singing also.
: The actors played a muted piano during the filming.
I wondered whether it was Ehle singing - I seem to remember reading in an article that she claimed to be "tone deaf". If so, how could she sing so well? Maybe she was joking?
Posted by Inko on November 04, 1996 at 22:13:43:
: : I was eating lunch yesterday at Au Bon Pain, a fast food sandwich place, when I suddenly felt very tranquil, despite the fact that my 2-year old lunch companion is not especially genteel. Then it hit me---on the piped-in music, Voi Che Sapete was playing---the song Lizzie sings at Pemberley. The Look! Sigh. I felt momentarily transported. I wish I'd had some BB friends there to share the moment---and I suspect you would all have been less likely than my little girl to spill chili on me. Coincidence, or is everyone taking advantage of Austen-mania? If so: more, please.
: : Jane A.
: Along a similar vein; when someone posted "The Look" picture, I could hear running through my mind Voi Che Sapete! Will I ever be able to hear it again and *not* think of Darcy?
Last summer I was in Harrod's book dept. when I heard the music from P&P2 playing quietly in the background. Needless to say, I couldn't leave the dept. till it was finished. I now have the CD and play it in my car all the time.
Posted by Stefanie on November 04, 1996 at 22:23:12:
: I'm only two years older (16-Georgianna's age), and I've been in here only a few days. But it is really okay, nothing bad. I'm sure you'll love it here as much as I do, especially if you're as fond of P&P2 as I am! It's really neat to know there's also some younger people out there like me who love P&P. Most like SVH, you know?
: With fond farewells,
And I'm only two years older than you, but I've never read a Sweet Valley High book. (Why read that gibberish when you can be reading Austen!)
Posted by Zimei on November 04, 1996 at 22:30:32:
: I'd assume it was Ehle singing also.
: : ___________________
: : The actors played a muted piano during the filming.
: : Anne
: I wondered whether it was Ehle singing - I seem to remember reading in an article that she claimed to be "tone deaf". If so, how could she sing so well? Maybe she was joking?
I guess she fudged through the difficult passages :)
Posted by Stefanie on November 04, 1996 at 22:33:30:
: Hope I am not excepting to much from the missing scenes.
: Thanks Donna
I envy you as I don't have cable here. However, I can vouch for the missing scenes. I saw them for the first time about a month ago and if the establishment of a flow between scenes isn't enough for you, the scene where Darcy snaps at Duckface, is worth it!!
Posted by Ann on November 04, 1996 at 22:34:57:
I am now very confused and need a little help. After making the
costume list which Amy posted in the FAQ, I am no longer certain
about the Meryton assembly gown's being the same one as seen later.
It seems to show up next the first night at Netherfield--but with
longer sleeves (falling just below the elbow. The dress at the
ball had sleeves above the elbow). Were the sleeves changed?
would a dress be reengineered by its owner? or is the whole dress
Posted by Stefanie on November 04, 1996 at 22:36:52:
: I think she was refering to her mothers nieces and nephews being the Gardiners childern.
: ciao Donna
Jane refers to the GArdiners chldren as "my nieces and nephews."
Posted by Ann on November 04, 1996 at 22:39:12:
: Anbody notice that Caroline says that Darcy made the comment "one night after they were dining at Netherfield"?? The comment actually came after the Assembly dance. Perhaps we can allow Caroline a bad memory or the producers a shift in filming part way through.
Here Davies was quoting Austen. Perhaps he hadn't noticed the mismatch, or perhaps it would have been too difficult to change Austen's line to fit P&P2.
Posted by Ann on November 04, 1996 at 22:43:38:
: This was in response to Grace's thread. I don't think Darcy was jealous of Fitzwilliam. In the book Lizzie thinks he may be interested in her but he does not show interest in her in that amorous way. It's not really clear why he never follows up on his initial interest but one gets the impression that Darcy must have implied something in one of their conversations. In P&P2 Davies makes Fitzwilliam "aware" of Darcy's interest in Lizzy but he statement about how he has hear so much about her.
In the book Fitzwilliam confesses to Lizzy that he must marry for money. She figures that he was interested in her, but doesn't have enough money of his own and can't afford her.
Posted by Kali on November 04, 1996 at 22:44:34:
: : How does a marriage of such opposites function?
: So far as I can tell it doesn't function anymore. It looks to me as though all it ever had going for it was lust.
: Mr. Bennet's character is fantastically sarcastic!
: Agreed - but he does use it to avoid his responsibilities to his wife (it's not her fault she's silly) and daughters.
I think Mr. Bennet has approach avoidance. He knows he's losing his grip on his familial duties but he just can't deal. I guess he's sick of going head-to-head with the likes of the silly Mrs. B, and he's probably so bewildered by his three youngest daughters that he doesn't know how to proceed with them. He's a decent, witty guy, but I think he failed to understand his mistakes until too late, and the only way he can cope is through comic bitterness.
As far as dysfunctionality (Candace?! We need you again!) and the Bennets, I agree. The Bennets limp along okay, but they don't grow as a family. Certainly, Jane, Lizzy, and Mr. Bennet are close, but even Mr. B is preoccupied by his own iniquities and misfortunes. Perhaps that is why children leave home and get married (like Lizzy and Jane!) - becuase it provides a chance to start a new family with a clean slate, without having to sort through painful and unalterable circumstances. Also, there's the fact that even while you may love your family members, you don't choose them, and often you don't mesh perfectly with them. I guess finding the right mate is a way to compensate for a misfit family, but, unfortunately, most people in Austen's day and many today don't find that that's the case.
Posted by Stefanie on November 04, 1996 at 22:47:33:
: I take comfort from the fact that Lizzy continued to take liberties with Darcy that amazed Georgiana. I also think that when Lizzy teases Darcy about being attracted by her cheek (in the book, unfortunately not included in P&P2), she is setting a precedent for having her say. Still she would have been legally under his control (in some cases this prooved to be a problem for the husband, who was legally liable for his wife's behaviour); to me part of the attraction of Darcy is the impression I get that he valued Lizzy for her individuality and would continue to respect it, and not abuse the priviledges that the law gave him.
And this is why Darcy was the perfect match for Lizzy.
"She began now to comprehend that he was exactly the man, who, in disposition and talents, would most suit her. His understanding and temper, though unlike her own, would have answered all her wishes. It was an union that must have been to the advantage of both; by her ease and liveliness, his mind might have been softened, his manners improved, and from his judgement, information, and knowledge of the world, she must have received benefit of greater importance."
Posted by Kali on November 04, 1996 at 22:48:28:
: "I'd soon rather call her mother a wit".
: There is absolutely no denying its supreme rudeness, but I cannot help just the same loving that statment . . . and the way he says it. Darcy is so casual, leaning against the fireplace, looking down nonchantly (stirring up the fire?) while he gives one of his pert remarks - something to rival even Lizzie's! Don't get me wrong - I love Lizzie dearly, yet just the same, I cannot help but love that remark. It came so fluent, as if it hardly required a second thought! But, oh, how he will soon regret it!
: Any other comments/disagreements?
Yet another "Get the hell offa my back!" statement from Mr. Darcy. Janet? Tommye? Everyone else from the Famous Darcy threads?
Posted by Candace on November 04, 1996 at 22:48:41:
: : : Sorry I was no more clear. My question was more aimed at how Jane and Mr. Collins marriage would have affected the progression of Lizzie & Darcy.
: : : Please don't think I would wish Mr.C on Jane.
: : : To your point
: : : I'm sure your right about Lizzie but I'm not so sure about Mr.B. Aside from Mr. Collins being a fool it would have been a respectable match. Since it would have secured the estate should Mr.B die, I can see where Jane may have thought it would make everyone happy and proud.
: : : Mich
: : ___________________
: : It would also have simply been hard for Jane to have handled
: : his proposal as Lizzy did. It's hard to imagine how Jane
: : would have been able to refuse him to his face. Lizzy on the
: : other hand had little difficulty.
: : Ann
: UGH!!!!! Let's not even think about what might have happened if Lizzy had been forced to accept Mr. Collins' proposal. I keep trying to think of it, and it's not a pretty picture. Since Mr. Collins proposed to Elizabeth before Bingley left Netherfield, it is unlikely that the Bennets would have tried to force Jane into the match, either! No, the logical next choice would have been Mary, and poor thing, he decided to marry Charlotte Lucas instead, although I do wonder something. I remember reading a while back that Mr. Collins, in deciding to marry one of the Bennet girls, thought he was making restitution for inheriting Longbourn. Someone on this BB mentioned that he thought he believed he should get to marry one of the pretty daughters, and that's why he didn't propose to Mary next. Charlotte Lucas is described as not being extremely attractive, which may put her near Mary in looks (although how are we to know, Mary is never described in the book). Why would he choose Charlotte over Mary, especially since Mary is nearly ten years younger than Charlotte (who is two years older than Mr. Collins)?
If I remember correctly, Mr. Collins didn't chose Charlotte as much as Charlotte chose him. She moved in and manipulated the situation rather quickly after Lizzie had refused him. I guess it was a case of him chasing her until she caught him.
Posted by Donna on November 04, 1996 at 23:00:10:
: : Hope I am not excepting to much from the missing scenes.
: : Thanks Donna
: I envy you as I don't have cable here. However, I can vouch for the missing scenes. I saw them for the first time about a month ago and if the establishment of a flow between scenes isn't enough for you, the scene where Darcy snaps at Duckface, is worth it!!
: Enjoy! -Stefanie.
Sincere thanks, Donna
Posted by Ann on November 04, 1996 at 23:00:29:
: Tell your mom it's okay. This site is carefully supervised
: by are hostess Amy for any improper messages or pictures. We
: carry on very civilised discussions here.
: And as far as I'm concerned the more Anns the better!
Oops! I shouldn't be teaching you bad English. Make it
our hostess Amy.
Posted by Kali on November 04, 1996 at 23:00:51:
: The worst you'll probably see here is some TRULY AWFUL SPELLING, occasional hormonal rantings, occasional lusty lingo (implying lusty longings) and some good-humored teasing (the okay kind).
...most of it from Tommye (except for the good-humored teasing - that's all from me!)...just kidding! ;-)
Actually, I'm not so far ahead of 14 myself (I'm 21). I feel like such a child.
Posted by Candace on November 04, 1996 at 23:02:18:
: : Someone should have told that to Mr. and Mrs. Bennet where it regards Lydia!!!!
: : Annie
: It does not appear that Lydia needed too much encouragement to go to bed!
Excellent Reponse, Cheryl!
Posted by Inko on November 04, 1996 at 23:09:03:
: I only remember 4-5 dogs.
: Netherfield dog is a Harlequin Great Dane. Large breed dog, square head and droopy jowls which allow the saliva to drip all over your shoes. Probably why Jennifer Ehle was bouncing around so much!!
: Pemb dogs in gallery: Thin one is a Whippet the other I think was an English Springer Spaniel.
: Pemberly dogs out front when Lizzy left after dinner: One was a great dane I think, the other I am not sure.
: Nancy R.
I think the Netherfield dog (whether Dalmation or Great Dane) was probably Bingley's dog - why would Darcy travel with his dogs; he'd probably leave them at Pemberley.
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