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Posted by Anna on November 03, 1996 at 17:02:50:
thanks Amy and Donna, I'll try yur suggestions ( the more the better chance ?!!), and see if that fixes things,
Anna
Posted by Anne on November 03, 1996 at 17:05:35:
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I had some time so re-read the FAQ link this morning.
Amy -- thank you for including the link to the picture of
"the look".
Posted by Anne on November 03, 1996 at 17:07:29:
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: Of course, I meant the REVERSE of WHAT I SAID. PLEASE FORGIVE ME! DARCY in P&P2 certainly not DRY! VERY WET, ACTUALLY! Please, Anne. It was a mistake! Very little in P&P1 was superior to P&P2!
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Tommye --
I realized it was a typo (2 & 1 are so easy to transpose) --
just couldn't help giving you a little gig on it though.
Anne :-)
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Posted by Anna on November 03, 1996 at 17:07:43:
I'll risk exposing the depths of my obsession by pointing out that the full version is about 301 minutes (in the 2 tape version which was released in Aus), or 6 episodes of ~55 mins each, including credits. This may seem terminaly picky, but I'd like to save anyone else the desperate search for the missing hour I went through when I first heard of the 6 hour version...
Anna.
Posted by Anne on November 03, 1996 at 17:10:31:
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I do believe the Ann(e)s are taking over!!!
The 6 tapes mentioned by Ann above were 6 hours when shown on TV (minus the extra scenes added for the set).
Anne
Posted by Anne on November 03, 1996 at 17:12:47:
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: amyable.com ?
: Where did bluemarble come from? I've always liked it.
: Hilary
: PS. Thanks for the archives. Probably won't ask for more, as I found the threads difficult to follow in that format.
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I like Amyable.com
Anne
Posted by Anne on November 03, 1996 at 17:15:46:
Of course, maybe his skill ran deeper (not intended as a pun); Lydia did say she had done something none of her other sisters had done. Were we to take that at face value, or was she implying something more...
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Hormones kicking in again Tommye?
Anne ;-)
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Posted by Anna on November 03, 1996 at 17:16:51:
: : After watching this scene numerous times, I am struck by the various
: : expressions that Darcy shows during this scene.
I always thought that Lizzy's dress (the lowest of the low) contributed to his look of bemusement ;-)
Anna.
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Posted by Joan, too on November 03, 1996 at 17:17:18:
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: : On that same note, it is curious to me that Wickham ever considered a clergy position...
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: : Don't you think there just weren't that many things one could be at the time? Also it was a way fo ra man who was just a step away from being a real gentleman to become one.
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: Hmmm. What else could he have been?
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I don't think that Wickham ever actually seriously considered becoming a clergyman - that was all old Mr Darcy's idea - something within his power to give that would ensure his protege having an income. What else could he be? Well, he did profess to Darcy his intention of studying law (though he never had any serious intention to enter that prefession, either).
Joan, too
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Posted by Paula on November 03, 1996 at 17:21:58:
Its just his taking such care with his appearance that gets us all going.
: Hilary
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Darcy dressing and bathing is a theme unique to P&P2 that serves several different purposes:
--It humanizes Darcy to be doing mundane things of everyday life, like washing his face. It makes him more real and closer to the audience, offsetting the distance of the book which is written from Lizzy's point of view.
--It shows Darcy's great wealth -- he has servants to pour water over his head in the tub and help him get dressed.
--Shows Colin being sexy (the steamy bathtub).
Though I understand these scenes were pretty controversial because they're a departure from the book, it works for me because of these reasons.
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Posted by Donna on November 03, 1996 at 17:26:01:
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: . The :famous meeting scene at Pemberly: Dry in P&P2 Stimulating in P&P1. Darcy: wooden in P&P1.
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: Everyone, please be aware that the above was actually the REVERSE of what I meant to SAY. Whereas I do not wish to suffer the wrath of this entire BB, and inasmuch as all of you do not know me, I hereby ask everyone's forgiveness for such a heinous misstatement.
: NOTHING IS DRY ABOUT FIRTH's DARCY!
: :::Tommye
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I knew when you said this you meant the reverse NOW I don't feel so bad about my mistakes. Which have only been little ones ah ah! but, you only do things in a big way.
ciao Donna
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Posted by Inko on November 03, 1996 at 17:32:25:
: I love the way the scene is played where Darcy comes to the inn just
: after Lizzy gets the letters from Jane. The look of concern and
: helplessness he has when he doesn't know what is wrong. He wants to
: do something so badly. He is so concerned that he actually takes her
: hand without it being offered -- and you see him realize it and
: reluctantly release it. It shows a side of Darcy that has not been
: revealed to Lizzy before -- and she was too upset to actually see it.
: Anne
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I'm new to this BB(just found it two days ago)and love all the postings. I've been addicted to P&P2 since it aired on A&E and even more so since I bought the tapes last March. I do agree with you Anne about the scene at the inn - he not only takes her hand then but after she apologizes for sobbing it looks as if he tries to take it again. In today's world he would have taken her into his arms, but it wasn't "done" in 1813! I also noticed his looks as he was leaving her; she thought she'd never see him again, while he was trying to get every last look before setting off to set
everything right with Wickham and Lydia.
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Posted by Anna on November 03, 1996 at 17:43:39:
: : I imagine that after Lizzy and the Gardiners leave, Georgiana goes
: : to bed? Bingley escorts her into the house and then she is no longer
: : a part of the group.
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: I thought that was wierd too. She should have been there. In the book she is there when her brother finally has his outburst against Miss B.
: Ann
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Yes, but in the book, this encounter is in the afternoon (confusingly called morning - morning extended to dinner time in 1812). I also think that Georgiana has gone to bed in P&P2 - after all she is much younger than the rest of the party.
Anna
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Posted by Donna on November 03, 1996 at 17:44:27:
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: : My first thoughts when I observed his looks/responses ... he marvelled ...another reason to love her--she would help Georgianna [and certainly his own fevered self] in ways he was ill-prepared for; (5) it caused him to hope again...
: : I do agree that his resultant gaze, the "look," arose from the pleasure of experiencing the two people he loved in the place he loved. Ahh. The good life [wife].
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: :Pardon, mesdames, the hasty entry of a neo-lurker who just this a.m. happened upon this site. Firthermore, I must add the "rush" of this P&P2 only just entered my life some 14 days ago, when a beneficent fellow instructor lent it to show my classes. Needless to say, all in the classroom audience were agog at the tremendous performances and photogenicity(?) of the main duo. The particular scene(s) that had us entranced are doubtless the same you all thrilled to when A&E first aired it. This musical scene's "looks" brought out some audible sighs from the girls (who until recently most likely had only read dimestore/braindead romance, and nada British, of course). Discussion afterwards centered around how lucky Lizzie was to have ever found such all-encompassing love in a man like Darcy, (who despite his assertion that "her" good opinion wass rarely given, had his own fanaticism in that area- and personal "perfection").
: Colin's beatific gaze was made infinitely easier by the fact of his real life romance with Jennifer (as I believe was her "glow" shown on her face at the inn letter-reading scene before Jane's wording switched to the Lydia problem). Tis a pity the pair were not able to sustain that feeling after the filming (unlike the Austen happily-ever-after). Alas, "This sad business of Jen/Jane..." (still, I can think of a number of Darcynians who shan't have minded sitting only three feet away from those hypnotic eyes and heard that huskily intoned "In vain have I struggled. It will not do..." as the actor evidently struggled with his own personal situation along with the character's....Nothing like life impersonating art, is there?
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What was the reaction of the boys during the movie. We don't seem to have male points of view. Except for the ObVIOUS reasons.
Donna
Posted by Joan, too on November 03, 1996 at 17:45:03:
: Anne:
: one wonders at the fact that at the "never wrong" statement he is just sitting there looking away. He is not conversing with Mr. Gardiner or any guest - as host you would think that he would be a little more unreticent.
True, true - but on this particular evening Darcy is completely single-minded; there is only one thing/person on his mind and he has no attention left for anything else.
Joan, too
Posted by Raphael on November 03, 1996 at 17:48:40:
: I can only assume that Bingley suffers in comparison to Darcy when viewed by all of you, as Jane suffers to Eliza when viewed by me.
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: Now, now, folks! We really should make no such assumptions. As Jane points out, we are not making enough allowances for differences in situation and temperament...
: And I doubt very much that Jane found Darcy as attractive as Bingley, or that Bingley found Lizzie as attractive as Jane. We cannot, therefore, assume that everyone without exception will agree that Lizzie and Darcy represent the epitome of attractiveness. Just everyone here. ;-)
: Joan, too
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Very true. I should have inserted that reservation. However, I might add that of all the males I know who have seen P&P2 (I can count them on one hand), all have a decided preference for Eliza over Jane. But, we can not forget, this is the film we are talking about, not the book, and an entire crew of filmmakers and screenwriters have all led our eyes very distinctly toward Elizabeth and Darcy, not Jane and Bingley. It is not that they do not have specific personalities, or are not on-camera often, but that the intimate focus certainly lies on Darcy and Elizabeth. They are, after all, the hero and heroine.
From my perspective, Jane is certainly not ugly, not by a long-shot, but in the course of five hours I become very intimately acquainted with Eliza, and her positive, strong-willed attributes are seen in the greatest possible light. Like Colin Firth himself can admit, who can help but fall in love with her?
Although I respect your observation of reservation, I also respect your subsequent comment -- thus, what woman here can say with honesty that they did not fall in love with Darcy -- if only for a moment -- when watching P&P2? I certainly could not stop myself from falling in love with Eliza.
Cordially,
Raphael
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Posted by Inko on November 03, 1996 at 17:53:14:
: Its just his taking such care with his appearance that gets us all going.
: : Hilary
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: Darcy dressing and bathing is a theme unique to P&P2 that serves several different purposes:
: --It humanizes Darcy to be doing mundane things of everyday life, like washing his face. It makes him more real and closer to the audience, offsetting the distance of the book which is written from Lizzy's point of view.
: --It shows Darcy's great wealth -- he has servants to pour water over his head in the tub and help him get dressed.
: --Shows Colin being sexy (the steamy bathtub).
: Though I understand these scenes were pretty controversial because they're a departure from the book, it works for me because of these reasons.
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I thought Darcy was more hurried than taking care in dressing to ride to Lambton, especially when he told his valet "never mind that"; also the choice was between a black and a green coat - he said "blue" at first but then said "that one".
I agree with you Paula that the extra scenes with Darcy make him much more human than he would have been - also much more sexy. Did anyone else notice the dogs lying by the door of his room while he's getting dressed - I really liked that touch.
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Posted by Donna on November 03, 1996 at 18:00:14:
: : : her comment regarding Wickham "had his character been known..." could have been taken as a criticism of him that he felt needed to be addressed before he could proceed personally.
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: : (Though it wasn't intended that way,) Interesting that Lizzie, Jane and Darcy each felt personally responsible for concealing the truth about Wickham's character.
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: Every word that Lizzy says about taking steps to have
: prevented Lydia's escapade apply equally, if not more, to
: Darcy. It is possible for him to interpret her words in
: part as a condemnation of his own inaction. Perhaps in one
: of his more insecure moments he may have thought this.
: But those same words, upon reflection, could also give him
: some hope, for they tell him that she believed what he told
: her in the letter, and that her opinion of him must be
: greatly improved from their last meeting at Hunsford.
: Ann
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I agree that was a very good hint to him that her opinion has changed.
He did have an insecure moment in the movie saying he wished that he said something before {to Lizzie about Wickham}.
Donna
Posted by Inko on November 03, 1996 at 18:05:56:
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: : I often wish I could see the scene where Lady C would tell
: : Darcy about her conversation with Lizzy. I want to see his
: : face when he hears how Lizzy responded to the interrogation.
: : karen
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: The best description that I've read of Lady C. telling Darcy about her visit to Lizzie is in the Friends of Firth website. I found that under Kaleidoscope, but you can probably get there direct. Once there, go to More Colin, then to Scenes left out of P&P. There's a lot of very good writing and some interesting scenes. Look at A Conversation between Lady Catherine and Darcy - it's very much how I would imagine it.
Inko
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Posted by Joan, too on November 03, 1996 at 18:11:40:
: I also think that Georgiana has gone to bed in P&P2 - after all she is much younger than the rest of the party.
: Anna
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Very true, but can you imagine Lydia, who is even younger, going meekly off to bed while others were still up enjoying themselves? ;-)
But that really was a bit early for Georgiana to be leaving the party - it was not yet completely dark outside when the Gardiner's carriage departed.
Joan, too
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