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Posted by Grace on November 03, 1996 at 11:36:26:
: : : What's lucky about the green jacket? In what other scenes did Darcy wear it?
: : : (If this has already been discussed, so sorry.) Grace
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: : Sorry, I had my hands full with Lizzy's wardrobe. You will have to count on someone else to take an inventory of Darcy's closet.
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: : Do you think if the Lydia scandal had not intervened, and Darcy had popped the question at this time, would Lizzie have accepted?
: My guess is that she would have requested time to consider and get to know him better, but it wouldn't have made such a good story, would it?
: Hilary
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: (This discussion is going on in another thread also, but there's lots to discuss so here goes.)I think the most Darcy would hope to achieve on his visit to the inn was a peace pact with Lizzy. He might admit that his proposal was rude and insensitive, and say that he was sorry for offending her. He would want to explain himself. I don't think he would venture another proposal much as he would like to do so.(Consider how unsure he was with his second proposal, even when he had reason to hope.)
Even if Darcy had popped the question, Lizzy was not ready to accept. I agree that she would have requested more time. The drama of the story would have been seriously diminished, Pride and Prejudice would have ranked as a minor work of literature..... and all of us would be employing our time much better elsewhere.
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Posted by Anne on November 03, 1996 at 12:13:44:
The :famous meeting scene at Pemberly: Dry in P&P2; Stimulating in P&P1.
: ::Tommye
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Dry in P&P2 and stimulating in P&P1????? I know that P&P1 is closer to the original, but the emotion in P&P2 at the meeting was more memorable to me. And Darcy was hardly dry . :-)
Anne
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Posted by Amy on November 03, 1996 at 12:27:16:
On that same note, it is curious to me that Wickham ever considered a clergy position...
: ::Tommye
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Don't you think there just weren't that many things one could be at the time? Also it was a way fo ra man who was just a step away from being a real gentleman to become one.
Amy
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Posted by Anne on November 03, 1996 at 12:39:31:
At last! The video with the music scene and the Look .
After watching this scene numerous times, I am struck by the various
expressions that Darcy shows during this scene.
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Posted by Anne on November 03, 1996 at 12:41:03:
I imagine that after Lizzy and the Gardiners leave, Georgiana goes
to bed? Bingley escorts her into the house and then she is no longer
a part of the group.
Anne
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Posted by Anne on November 03, 1996 at 12:45:42:
I love the way the scene is played where Darcy comes to the inn just
after Lizzy gets the letters from Jane. The look of concern and
helplessness he has when he doesn't know what is wrong. He wants to
do something so badly. He is so concerned that he actually takes her
hand without it being offered -- and you see him realize it and
reluctantly release it. It shows a side of Darcy that has not been
revealed to Lizzy before -- and she was too upset to actually see it.
Anne
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Posted by Candace on November 03, 1996 at 13:47:43:
: At last! The video with the music scene and the Look .
: After watching this scene numerous times, I am struck by the various
: expressions that Darcy shows during this scene.
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Posted by Saman on November 03, 1996 at 13:56:02:
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: : is daggy.com taken, do you think? (Blush)
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: You are cute.
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: Amy
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I can just imagine sheep farmers from Australasia wondering what they've stumbled in to ;), but that could be fun!
Posted by Tommye on November 03, 1996 at 14:17:09:
: On that same note, it is curious to me that Wickham ever considered a clergy position...
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: Don't you think there just weren't that many things one could be at the time? Also it was a way fo ra man who was just a step away from being a real gentleman to become one.
: Amy
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Hmmm. What else could he have been? Perhaps he could have gone into the Navy, like Capt. Wentworth. But, you know, I don't recall anyone saying that Wickham was particularly smart. Certainly, one would have to have smarts to succeed in making ones fortune in the Navy. Wickham was skilled only at manipulating, so far as I can tell. Of course, maybe his skill ran deeper (not intended as a pun); Lydia did say she had done something none of her other sisters had done. Were we to take that at face value, or was she implying something more...
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Posted by Tommye on November 03, 1996 at 14:20:28:
: The :famous meeting scene at Pemberly: Dry in P&P2 Stimulating in P&P1.
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: Dry in P&P2 and stimulating in P&P1????? I know that P&P1 is closer to the original, but the emotion in P&P2 at the meeting was more memorable to me. And Darcy was hardly dry . :-)
: Anne
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Of course, I meant the REVERSE of WHAT I SAID. PLEASE FORGIVE ME! DARCY in P&P2 certainly not DRY! VERY WET, ACTUALLY! Please, Anne. It was a mistake! Very little in P&P1 was superior to P&P2!
::Tommye
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Posted by Tommye on November 03, 1996 at 14:23:42:
. The :famous meeting scene at Pemberly: Dry in P&P2 Stimulating in P&P1. Darcy: wooden in P&P1.
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Everyone, please be aware that the above was actually the REVERSE of what I meant to SAY. Whereas I do not wish to suffer the wrath of this entire BB, and inasmuch as all of you do not know me, I hereby ask everyone's forgiveness for such a heinous misstatement.
NOTHING IS DRY ABOUT FIRTH's DARCY!
:::Tommye
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Posted by Tommye on November 03, 1996 at 14:32:59:
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My first thoughts when I observed his looks/responses to Miss Bingley's crude inference regarding Wickham were more that Darcy (1) was going to do something to shield his sister from the "fiery darts" intended for Lizzy; (2) immediately realized that ever-competent and obviously socially-. adept Lizzy had it well taken care of; (3) he marvelled at Lizzy's kindness towards his sister; (4) it caused him to see yet another reason to love her--she would help Georgianna in ways he was ill-prepared for; (5) it caused him to hope again.
I do agree that his resultant gaze, the "look," arose from the pleasure of experiencing the two people he loved in the place he loved. Ahh. The good life.
::Tommye
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Posted by Hilary on November 03, 1996 at 14:35:30:
: : : : What's lucky about the green jacket? In what other scenes did Darcy wear it?
: : : : (If this has already been discussed, so sorry.) Grace
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: : : Sorry, I had my hands full with Lizzy's wardrobe. You will have to count on someone else to take an inventory of Darcy's closet.
: : : Ann
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: : : Do you think if the Lydia scandal had not intervened, and Darcy had popped the question at this time, would Lizzie have accepted?
: : My guess is that she would have requested time to consider and get to know him better, but it wouldn't have made such a good story, would it?
: : Hilary
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: : (This discussion is going on in another thread also, but there's lots to discuss so here goes.)I think the most Darcy would hope to achieve on his visit to the inn was a peace pact with Lizzy. He might admit that his proposal was rude and insensitive, and say that he was sorry for offending her. He would want to explain himself. I don't think he would venture another proposal much as he would like to do so.(Consider how unsure he was with his second proposal, even when he had reason to hope.)
: Even if Darcy had popped the question, Lizzy was not ready to accept. I agree that she would have requested more time. The drama of the story would have been seriously diminished, Pride and Prejudice would have ranked as a minor work of literature..... and all of us would be employing our time much better elsewhere.
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Sorry about starting this up when it was being discussed elsewhere - I realised only sometime after posting. But I like the way you see it. I also don't think he would have been sure enough to ask at this stage. Its just his taking such care with his appearance that gets us all going.
Hilary
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Posted by Hilary on November 03, 1996 at 14:44:36:
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: : : : ducktape
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: : : fitzwilliam.com pemberley.com
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: : Are you dedicated to the .com domain? Maybe some of the other "taken" names are not taken in .org?
: : Joan, too
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: daggy.org ?!
: soitseems.com (probably taken by clothing manufacturers)
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: Hilary
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amyable.com ?
Where did bluemarble come from? I've always liked it.
Hilary
PS. Thanks for the archives. Probably won't ask for more, as I found the threads difficult to follow in that format.
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Posted by Another Anne on November 03, 1996 at 14:50:15:
Hi: I'm also new, and I'm afraid my name is also Anne. But please will someone tell me more about the six hour version?
Thanks
Another Anne
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Posted by Ann on November 03, 1996 at 16:27:01:
: I imagine that after Lizzy and the Gardiners leave, Georgiana goes
: to bed? Bingley escorts her into the house and then she is no longer
: a part of the group.
: Anne
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I thought that was wierd too. She should have been there. In the book she is there when her brother finally has his outburst against Miss B.
Ann
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Posted by France on November 03, 1996 at 16:32:10:
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: My first thoughts when I observed his looks/responses ... he marvelled ...another reason to love her--she would help Georgianna [and certainly his own fevered self] in ways he was ill-prepared for; (5) it caused him to hope again...
: I do agree that his resultant gaze, the "look," arose from the pleasure of experiencing the two people he loved in the place he loved. Ahh. The good life [wife].
: ::Tommye
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:Pardon, mesdames, the hasty entry of a neo-lurker who just this a.m. happened upon this site. Firthermore, I must add the "rush" of this P&P2 only just entered my life some 14 days ago, when a beneficent fellow instructor lent it to show my classes. Needless to say, all in the classroom audience were agog at the tremendous performances and photogenicity(?) of the main duo. The particular scene(s) that had us entranced are doubtless the same you all thrilled to when A&E first aired it. This musical scene's "looks" brought out some audible sighs from the girls (who until recently most likely had only read dimestore/braindead romance, and nada British, of course). Discussion afterwards centered around how lucky Lizzie was to have ever found such all-encompassing love in a man like Darcy, (who despite his assertion that "her" good opinion wass rarely given, had his own fanaticism in that area- and personal "perfection").
Colin's beatific gaze was made infinitely easier by the fact of his real life romance with Jennifer (as I believe was her "glow" shown on her face at the inn letter-reading scene before Jane's wording switched to the Lydia problem). Tis a pity the pair were not able to sustain that feeling after the filming (unlike the Austen happily-ever-after). Alas, "This sad business of Jen/Jane..." (still, I can think of a number of Darcynians who shan't have minded sitting only three feet away from those hypnotic eyes and heard that huskily intoned "In vain have I struggled. It will not do..." as the actor evidently struggled with his own personal situation along with the character's....Nothing like life impersonating art, is there?
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Posted by Ann on November 03, 1996 at 16:42:37:
: Hi: I'm also new, and I'm afraid my name is also Anne. But please will someone tell me more about the six hour version?
: Thanks
: Another Anne
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The full commercially-purchased version of P&P2 is six tapes
(or 2 in the UK) of approximately 50 minutes each. I think
this is what was referred to as the six hour version.
It contains three scene fragments with Darcy that are
wonderful, and Mr. Bennet comes off a bit more gruff--more
like the P&P1 version, than in the P&P2 broadcast version.
Ann
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Posted by Ann on November 03, 1996 at 16:44:32:
: Welcome to our little corner of the world.
: Anne
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I'm always ready to welcome another Ann to our home away from home.
Ann
Posted by Ann on November 03, 1996 at 17:02:22:
: : her comment regarding Wickham "had his character been known..." could have been taken as a criticism of him that he felt needed to be addressed before he could proceed personally.
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: (Though it wasn't intended that way,) Interesting that Lizzie, Jane and Darcy each felt personally responsible for concealing the truth about Wickham's character.
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Every word that Lizzy says about taking steps to have
prevented Lydia's escapade apply equally, if not more, to
Darcy. It is possible for him to interpret her words in
part as a condemnation of his own inaction. Perhaps in one
of his more insecure moments he may have thought this.
But those same words, upon reflection, could also give him
some hope, for they tell him that she believed what he told
her in the letter, and that her opinion of him must be
greatly improved from their last meeting at Hunsford.
Ann
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