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Posted by Hilary on November 02, 1996 at 23:55:40:
: : What's lucky about the green jacket? In what other scenes did Darcy wear it?
: : (If this has already been discussed, so sorry.) Grace
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: Sorry, I had my hands full with Lizzy's wardrobe. You will have to count on someone else to take an inventory of Darcy's closet.
: Ann
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I just thought people called it lucky because they assumed when Darcy chose it he was off to propose a second time. I have no idea if he wears it at any other time.
But this brings me to a question that I was saving for the R&V, but since its nearly time:
Do you think if the Lydia scandal had not intervened, and Darcy had popped the question at this time, would Lizzie have accepted? She has changed in her attitude towards him significantly - there is gratitude and esteem - but has not yet admitted to herself that she loves him. That only happens when she thinks he has given her up. 'Never had she
so honestly felt that she could have loved him, as now, when all love must be in vain'.
My guess is that she would have requested time to consider and get to know him better, but it wouldn't have made such a good story, would it?
Hilary
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Posted by Anne on November 03, 1996 at 00:04:28:
: : I don't believe that he is sure yet, either. He is encouraged, because she did agree to meet his sister and socialize with them, but not yet certain. Except for those visits to Longbourne with Bingley, during which Lizzie was "grave and silent", he has not seen her since they parted company in Lambton.
: : Joan, too
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: After having been so certain that she would accept him the first time, he must be very skittish about asking her again. He would want to have some indication that, this time, she would accept him before making the offer. He could not bear to hear her refuse him again--it hurt too much the first time, and there could be no third chance. Her behavior when he returned to Hertfordshire was not encouraging. He must have gone off to London thinking that she did not care for him. Only Lady C.'s communication could give him hope.
: Ann
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This was my take on it. He was encouraged by Pemberley but her reception in Longbourne was not encouraging. If she had not had the news about Lydia, he probably would have made some sort of overture during his visit - also her comment regarding Wickham "had his character been known..." could have been taken as a criticism of him that he felt needed to be addressed before he could proceed personally.
Anne
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Posted by Madeleine on November 03, 1996 at 00:12:14:
Hello everyone:
I am also new to this enjoyable BB. Found it by accident, when
trying to access info on JA.
I am terrible addicted to watching nightly this adaptation of PP.
I am not without entertainment, as I have cable TV and a Sattelite
dish with 150 channels, but on goes PP.
I have enjoyed all the postings and comments on PP. I read there
was missing scenes, so I rushed out to Blockbuster and to my
dismay there was not a copy in the store. I had the manager call
every local Blockbuster, but to no avail.
Then came to mind the local library. I must add not only did they
have PP on 6 tapes at a minimal fee, It also contained those
all important meaningful missing scenes. I am in heaven. Hope this
info helps all of you. Check out your library and enjoy as I did
Darcy as never seen on the 5 hour version! Madeleine, N.Y.
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Posted by Anne on November 03, 1996 at 00:18:06:
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: And where might I find "PriceClub/Costco"? If it's not on the Web, I guess I won't find it, will I?
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Eric --
If you'd like to eMail me your FPO address, I can have a copy of Critics' Choice catalog sent to you. They do ship to FPO/APO addresses (US parcel post). Or, you could have
family in the States call and order it for you.
Anne
pro1@airmail.net
Posted by Joan, too on November 03, 1996 at 00:19:55:
: her comment regarding Wickham "had his character been known..." could have been taken as a criticism of him that he felt needed to be addressed before he could proceed personally.
: Anne
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(Though it wasn't intended that way,) Interesting that Lizzie, Jane and Darcy each felt personally responsible for concealing the truth about Wickham's character.
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Posted by Zimei on November 03, 1996 at 00:20:33:
: : And where might I find "PriceClub/Costco"? If it's not on the Web, I guess I won't find it, will I?
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: It is on the web, but I don't remember the address. I think I found it by just looking up Price or just looking up Costco. Anyway, the only location I remember id in Nashua, NH.
: Hope it helps.
: Stefanie
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I just did a search, the following is their info page.
They operate in 21 states, you can find out the nearest
location by calling 1-800-774-2678. They don't seem
to have on-line shopping unfortunately.
Zimei
Link:
Posted by Anne on November 03, 1996 at 00:20:58:
: Hello everyone:
: I am also new to this enjoyable BB. Found it by accident, when
: trying to access info on JA.
: I am terrible addicted to watching nightly this adaptation of PP.
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Welcome to our little corner of the world.
Anne
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Posted by Anne on November 03, 1996 at 00:23:50:
: daggy.org ?!
: soitseems.com (probably taken by clothing manufacturers)
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: Hilary
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Hilary -- LOL (soitseems) :-)
Anne
Posted by Zimei on November 03, 1996 at 00:37:11:
: Johanne,
: Somehow, the picture did not come on my screen. Can you briefly tell me what it shows; maybe I've seen it before?
: Thanks. Tay.
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Tay, the picture is from Jennifer Ehle fan club site, if
you still have problem viewing the picture, the link is
listed below. This picture is also on FoF site, where
they have a collection of Colin Firth pictures:
http://www.iupui.edu/~rogersc/pictures.html
I hope this helps.
Zimei
Link:
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Posted by Hilary on November 03, 1996 at 01:01:34:
: : Stop it! Stop it! What is happening to us? Where is the love, the obsession, the passion we once shared?
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Perhaps the 7 month itch? Or is it the transformation from passionate to companiate love?
Hilary
Posted by Donna on November 03, 1996 at 01:44:23:
: : P.S. Amy I can't find the Italian Dic. no url found on this server.
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: Che cosi Dizionario del' Italiano? Voui fare un domande?
: Sorry. I happen to live in Sicily at the moment and have been endeavoring to learn Italian (and, more difficult, Sicilian), so the little asside piqued my interest.
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Just refer to it once in a while, not really endeavoring.
Donna
Posted by Cheryl on November 03, 1996 at 02:23:08:
Re Wickham's poor French pronunciation;
you must remember how preoccupied he was at University! If only the chambermaid were French, I am sure he would have acquitted himself much better.
Cheryl
Posted by Anna-Karin Schander on November 03, 1996 at 06:11:11:
: : : You are spot on, Ann. Mrs. Hurst is the eldest, Bingley the baby at 23. As to the ages of the sisters, with a younger brother of twenty and three, you can hardly expect them to own to their own age!
: : : Cheryl
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: : Then, Miss Bingley must be entering the age of danger and facing the idea that she may never get married. Though, I believe she may be wealthy enough to find somebody who would marry her.
: : Ann
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: Yes, Miss Bingley is indeed entering "the age of danger" (love that phrase!) and I am sure that this fuels her desperate pursuit of Darcy.
: Cheryl
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I think miss Bingley was about 25 - 27 soshe may approach the years of danger if not acutely after all she was wealthy and had not to marry for financial gain.But as a young unmarried woman she could not have her own houshold she had to live with relatives in yhis case her sister (wich seems to be were she normally lives) or by her brother. To have her own home,
houshold and to be a hostess in society and the status of a married woman she had to get married. and by marrying Darcy she would have
all of that.His ancient name magnificent Pemberly and more. I have sometimes wondered if
she had gone so fixated with Darcy that she maybe had missed other opportunities wich would make her a little tragic. She sometimes seem over fixated in her chasing of him both in the book and in the TV series.
Anna-Karin
Posted by IF on November 03, 1996 at 07:48:49:
Dear fellow addicts I live in Ireland and when some of you speak about A&E?, I have no idea what you lot are on about.Is A&E a television channel or some programme you can see through your computer, forgive my ignorance but could you please explain it to me.
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Posted by IF on November 03, 1996 at 08:13:50:
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: I would like the archives too but I don't know where I should put my e-mail address.Plesae help. IF
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___________________ I have figured out where to put my e-mail address so Amy could you now send me the archives,please.Forgive me I'm new ____________ __________________
Posted by Amy on November 03, 1996 at 08:22:59:
: Dear fellow addicts I live in Ireland and when some of you speak about A&E?, I have no idea what you lot are on ___________________
Love that. What lot you are on.
A&E stands for Arts & Entertainment Channel. It's a cable TV channel that programs an unusual blend of educational and cultural content. It picks up quite a lot of Britsh fare but P&P represents the first time (as far as I am aware) that it has partnered with the BBC for new programming as our PBS (Public Broadcasting Service) has for years.
It's a commercial channel that almost everybody who has cable gets.
Amy
Posted by Tommye on November 03, 1996 at 08:56:18:
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: : : Just playing, Kali. Cajun Man? I assure I was doing no such impression. Just tired, old, and crochety. Birthday coming up and hormones exploding.
: : : :Tommye
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: : Come on, you're not old! Happy birthday! Remember, you're only as old as you come off in your bb messages!
: : - K
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: Tommye, of all the posters on this board, surely YOU are NOT old! Happy Birthday!!! Now hormones are another issue, but I daresay I would not wish to return to the raging teens.
: : Janet
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Speaking of hormones, I wonder if it was Lizzy's going quite berserk which made her react so strongly to Darcy. Certainly seems familiar to me.
This week, most certainly due to hormone stuff, I awoke and decided to have my long hair chopped off. The deed having been done, I now look longingly at Lizzy's beautiful locks in the scene in which she tells Jane of her engagement to Darcy.
And Speaking of hair, I thought it was very interesting that Lizzy was cast in such soft light at this point--her prejudice having turned inside out, love prevailing; her rather harsh, possibly stylish, hairdo, undone--soft, flowing curls exposed. She looked so beautiful. Darcy would have loved her even sooner, I suspect, had he seen that hair! (Or lusted, perhaps.)
::Tommye
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Posted by Tommye on November 03, 1996 at 09:04:01:
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: : : All Mr. Collins had to offer was a religious experience.
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: Stefanie
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::Actually, I don't think Mr. Collins had ever had a "religious experience." Considering his cow-towing (sp??) to the rich, prohibited in the GoodBook and his overall disgusting comments, there no evidence of an altered soul. On that same note, it is curious to me that Wickham ever considered a clergy position...Most likely Mr. Darcy senior suggested it as a way for him to have a decent living.
With Wickham's disgusting penchant for young girls, he would have surely been most dangerous in the pulpit. Shudders.
::Tommye
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Posted by Tommye on November 03, 1996 at 09:11:28:
Last night, to show myself and hubby that I had control over this P&P2 obsession/addiction, I again viewed P&P1. Since husband has been quite understand throughout this all (though he mentioned several weeks ago that he was getting a bit tired of P&P2 every night before bed (for me, like warm milk)) he has had many occasions to view both productions in their entirety. He's not a detailed nor analytical man, however, so I was much shocked as began to compare P&P1 with P&P2. His opinions, which I believe are echoed in this BB, include: The 1st proposal scene in P&P1 lacked the emotional impact of P&P2, and Ehle's emoting was much preferred. The :famous meeting scene at Pemberly: Dry in P&P2; Stimulating in P&P1. Darcy: wooden in P&P1.
I think we have the makings here of another addict. I didn't know I had THAT kind of soul mate!
::Tommye
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Posted by IF on November 03, 1996 at 09:17:23:
: : : I don't believe that he is sure yet, either. He is encouraged, because she did agree to meet his sister and socialize with them, but not yet certain. Except for those visits to Longbourne with Bingley, during which Lizzie was "grave and silent", he has not seen her since they parted company in Lambton.
: : : Joan, too
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: : After having been so certain that she would accept him the first time, he must be very skittish about asking her again. He would want to have some indication that, this time, she would accept him before making the offer. He could not bear to hear her refuse him again--it hurt too much the first time, and there could be no third chance. Her behavior when he returned to Hertfordshire was not encouraging. He must have gone off to London thinking that she did not care for him. Only Lady C.'s communication could give him hope.
: : Ann
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: This was my take on it. He was encouraged by Pemberley but her reception in Longbourne was not encouraging. If she had not had the news about Lydia, he probably would have made some sort of overture during his visit - also her comment regarding Wickham "had his character been known..." could have been taken as a criticism of him that he felt needed to be addressed before he could proceed personally.
: Anne
___________________ But then again if Darcy does not propose again then Lizzy can't accept him so Darcy knew that if he was ever going to be happy then he would have to face the music and ask her,but I agree I think he would want some encouragement before hand .Sure thats why he came back to Netherfield to see if Lizzy would continue to encourage him like she did in Derbyshire and when she did'nt he went to London thinking she did'nt like him and wondering how he could have been so stupid as to think that she could ever love him after all the things he did to her until Lady Catherine showed up on his doorstep. :IF ___________ __________________
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