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Posted by Tommye on November 01, 1996 at 23:01:25:
: Alicia, you have given us a treasure. My very favorite moment -- not just in the movie but maybe of anything. I never slobber excpet when I take naps, but I declare my keyboard is shorting out from the drool.
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Amen! Amen!
:Tommye
Posted by Donna on November 01, 1996 at 23:10:13:
: : : indeed.com
: : : taken
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: : : thereitis.com
: : : taken
: : : ducktape
: : : taken!
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: : I would certainly never presume . . . that is, I merely wonder . . .
: : is daggy.com taken, do you think? (Blush)
: : kathleen
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: You are cute.
: daggy.com
: available!
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: Amy
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How about missish,Donna
Posted by Tommye on November 01, 1996 at 23:21:18:
: : I wholeheartedly agree with both of you. And - isn't it nice when a man with impossibly high standards (or, for the guys, a WOMAN with impossibly high standards) thinks that YOU are the - and I'm sorry for this - CAT'S MEOW!
: : Ba-dum CHING!
: : - K
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: Perfect, Kali!
: : Janet__________
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Ya'll have just worn me out. And to think it all started when I misunderstood Janet's (I think) word, affront, to be front!
When I have more energy I shall rejoin the Darcy admiration society. " For now, let us not say , "Goodbye," but as the French have it, "Aurevoire(???)"
::Tommye
P>S> While I speak fluent Southern, I have had zero French lessons, as you probably can tell!
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Posted by tommye on November 01, 1996 at 23:28:07:
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: : : Sheesh, this is one smart thread! WWhat a beautiful linkage between the morality and the "transforamtion"!
: : : - K
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: : :TransforAMTION?
: : ::Tommye
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: Either you're making a crack at my spelling, or you're doing your impression of Adam Sandler's Cajun Man. ; )
: - K
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Just playing, Kali. Cajun Man? I assure I was doing no such impression. Just tired, old, and crochety. Birthday coming up and hormones exploding.
:Tommye
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Posted by Shelagh on November 01, 1996 at 23:29:34:
: : : : I think Lizzie should hire Hannah to work at Pemberly. Silly isn't it. Just based on what Uncle G. said about her.
: : : : ciao Donna
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: : : I ahve always thought the same thing. Hannah is such a nice girl.
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: : Me too, it would be so nice since her brother is already an under-gardener there, I'm sure she would be thrilled tobe in the "great house."
: : Cheryl
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: Oh, why don't we just hire Hannah to sweep up around here? Delete dupe posts, make tea and spy.
: Amy
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Excuse me but I am having an identity crisis. I could see myself and Hannah working at Pemberly witnessing
all the lovely felicity going on between Mr. & Mrs. Darcy. Anything to be in that beautiful house. Not that I like housework so much.
But do you think they would notice if I did a lousy job while I spied and drooled? Oh well, it's one way to be there.
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Posted by Ann on November 01, 1996 at 23:38:00:
: : But when she says that specific line, there is a
: : sing-song quality in her voice. That's what made me think
: : she might be Welsh. The accent doesn't show up in any other
: : line of hers, only "And that's the first kind word I've had
: : since Lydia went away." The rest of the time she sounds like
: : the generic BBC actor.
: : Ann
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: I don't know that much about accents, but I always thought that she just sounded whiny when she said this line.
: Stefanie
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When didn't Kitty sound whiny?!
Ann
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Posted by Janet on November 01, 1996 at 23:38:25:
: : : I wholeheartedly agree with both of you. And - isn't it nice when a man with impossibly high standards (or, for the guys, a WOMAN with impossibly high standards) thinks that YOU are the - and I'm sorry for this - CAT'S MEOW!
: : : Ba-dum CHING!
: : : - K
: :
: : _________
: : Perfect, Kali!
: : : Janet__________
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: Ya'll have just worn me out. And to think it all started when I misunderstood Janet's (I think) word, affront, to be front!
: When I have more energy I shall rejoin the Darcy admiration society. " For now, let us not say , "Goodbye," but as the French have it, "Aurevoire(???)"
: ::Tommye
: P>S> While I speak fluent Southern, I have had zero French lessons, as you probably can tell!
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'Twas no misunderstanding, Tommye; rather, my 'poultry' attempt at a pun. (Sorry - enough animal talk.)
: Janet
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Posted by Ann on November 01, 1996 at 23:44:30:
: - K
: PS - What kinds of doggies do you have?
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Small studio apartment I'm afraid, no room for pets. I had
an Irish terrier while I was growing up (named Maggie of
course, what else do you name an Irish terrier?) and my
sister has her hands more than full with two Jack Russell's
(Eddie eat your heart out!). Last time I visited her, one of
them had me wrapped around its little finger--or paw I
should say. It had me well trained by the end of the visit
and could get me to do whatever it wanted. It drove me nuts!
Ann
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Posted by Janet on November 01, 1996 at 23:59:00:
: I did just buy 'The Duchess of Bloomsbury Street' by Helene Hanff and can't wait to get into it. (She wrote '84 Charing Cross Road', collected letters to her London book dealer after WW2 -- a treasure of a little book. Also, her 'Underfoot in Show Business' is a riot, a true story of her early days in NY -- makes you wish she were your friend.She would belong on this board, without doubt.)
: Must look for the other authors you mention (all new to me).
: Thanks, Grace
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Grace - I spotted your reference to '84 Charing Cross Road' and wondered if you've seen the film with Anne Bancroft and Anthony Hopkins (before he appeared in so many Merchant/Ivory productions). In a rare spot-check of TV, I happened to catch its broadcast in August, in the northeast anyway. Alas, the idea of missed opportunities...
: Janet
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Posted by Janet on November 02, 1996 at 00:02:22:
: : - K
: : PS - What kinds of doggies do you have?
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: Small studio apartment I'm afraid, no room for pets. I had
: an Irish terrier while I was growing up (named Maggie of
: course, what else do you name an Irish terrier?) and my
: sister has her hands more than full with two Jack Russell's
: (Eddie eat your heart out!). Last time I visited her, one of
: them had me wrapped around its little finger--or paw I
: should say. It had me well trained by the end of the visit
: and could get me to do whatever it wanted. It drove me nuts!
: Ann
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Hmmm... sounds like someone we know...
: Janet_________
Posted by Anne on November 02, 1996 at 00:07:49:
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: I wholeheartedly agree with both of you. And - isn't it nice when a man with impossibly high standards (or, for the guys, a WOMAN with impossibly high standards) thinks that YOU are the - and I'm sorry for this - CAT'S MEOW!
: Ba-dum CHING!
: - K
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I'd respond to your pun but I don't want to be catty.
Anne
Posted by Anne on November 02, 1996 at 00:19:57:
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: indeed.com
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: ducktape
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fitzwilliam.com pemberley.com
not taken
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Posted by Donna on November 02, 1996 at 00:25:06:
: : I agree that having Jane there engaging a conversation with Bingley
: : really makes so much more sense.
: : I wonder if that was the original design but they had to change that
: : because of shooting schedule conflict ? according to "The Making
: : of ..." only Jennifer Ehle stayed on set from beginning to end, the
: : rest of the cast all had to work around the P&P2 shootings and other
: : engagements. Maybe they figured Jane's presense in this scean was
: : minor enough, that nobody would be bothered if they wrote her out
: : from Bingley's side...
: : Zimei
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: The other place that a missing person bothers me even more is the scene at the parsonage in which the Colonel and Darcy make their first visit. Immediately prior to this Mr. C. is seen running about like a chicken with it's head cut off looking for his wife and her guests because the gentlemen are hard upon his heels - make haste, make haste! So then we see the visit, and all of those currently in residence at the parsonage are present and accounted for except Charlotte. Even Maria is there, saying absolutely nothing and looking completely overwhelmed, but the hostess, whom Mr. C. had particularly urged to return quickly, is nowhere to be seen.
: Joan, too
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After all of that she should have been there.
Donna
Posted by Anna on November 02, 1996 at 00:26:08:
: : By the way, was that wine they were drinking? I thought it was coffee or some other warm beverage in that contraption.
: : -Arnessa.
: I too have wondered, it could not have been port so late in the evening and cognac no wrong colour ?
: Ann2
I assumed it was port. The gentlemen commonly drank port after dinner, although not usually in the drawing room with the ladies, and it looks like a port decanter. Maybe drinking in the drawing room was allowed en famille, or, more probably this is artistic license.
Anna
Posted by Mitch on November 02, 1996 at 00:39:06:
: : : : Are you talking about the 1980 BBC production ? it is
: : : : available for rent in most of the decent size video stores.
: : : : I don't know much about the 1967 one, was it also a
: : : : TV production ? I know Susannah Harker's mother also
: : : : played Jane back in sixties, may well be in this 1967
: : : : production.
: : : : Zimei
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: : : The 1980 adaptation you are talking about is the one with Garvey & Rintoul in the leads? Otherwise known as P&P1? This production is variously dated, according to when it was first shown in England, shown in the US, put on tape for sale, etc.
: : : I suspect you are right about the '67 version being the one with Jane's mom. I have never heard of this being offered for sale, or talked or corresponded with anyone who has ever seen it. While I am sure it is not exactly a myth, I have to wonder if it has been preserved.
: : : Amy
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: : It would be wonderful to have yet another P&P.
: : If anyone find it pls let me know
: : Mich
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: It's probably locked up in Room 101 of the Beeb archives!
: Bernie
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The 1980 P&P has recently been remastered in UK with about 1/2 hour more added on it. But is currently available in the UK only.
Add me on the list of people who are interested in the 1967 version though I'm afraid with three versions currently on the market the chances of BBC releasing this one are pretty slim
Mitch
Posted by Donna on November 02, 1996 at 00:50:08:
: : Janet:
: : That smile spoke volumes - she knew she was next, as Darcy had by then addressed and resolved all her complaints. The man behind the scenes was about to reappear, and she could scarcely wait.
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: I don't think she is sure of him yet - only sure of herself. He has removed the last barrier to her accepting him, but she is not certain that he will ask her again. To do so he would still be formally connecting himself with Wickham, and during his recent visits to Longbourne he did not look at all as if he cared about her.
That is why she was so upset, she was dying to tell him how thankful she was for everything he did and to find out if he still wanted to marry her. For the first time Lizzie didn't know what to do.
Do you think HE was that sure of Lizzie at this time because of Lady C. He could of gave her a little hint before he left for London but I guess that would ruin the effect when he walks into the LBourne dining {before their walk}the look on their faces is so intense.
Donna
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Posted by Anna on November 02, 1996 at 00:54:52:
: : So nice to meet another ENFP. I was interested to see that N seems to be the common link. What does that say about us all I wonder? That we like Austen because she leaves so much to our intuition about human nature?
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: That's an interpretation I don't remember from our early discussion of this, Brigid. Makes sense. I'm an INF JorP.
: Amy
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we're not all N - I'm a solid ISTJ.Please don't hold it against me ;)
Anna
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Posted by Donna on November 02, 1996 at 01:03:18:
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: : : you have inadvertantly hit upon another of my obsessions! ___________________
: : : Another link. This is mystifying. I really must put that addiction page together. We have so much material:
: : : - Signs of addiction
: : : - The beginning of the steps
: : : - Related and ancillary obsessions
: : : - Myers Briggs scores (for those of you who missed that phase we were going through, we tend to be off-the-chart Ns)
: : : - The classic confessions
: : : Amy
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: : I wasn't here when you did the Myers-Briggs scores (although I remember the discussion on Austen-L). I took the test a few years ago and came out an ENFP. Does that surprise anyone?
: : Cheryl
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: So nice to meet another ENFP. I was interested to see that N seems to be the common link. What does that say about us all I wonder? That we like Austen because she leaves so much to our intuition about human nature?
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Took it again ENFP,Donna
Posted by Anna on November 02, 1996 at 01:16:49:
There seems to be a fairly widespread tendency to regard Mr Bingley as a spineless wimp. I've seen this in the course of previous discussions from the archives of this group, on AustenL and elswhere. Although he is by no means as charismatic as Mr Darcy (but then who is?) I think he deserves more regard than he generally gets. Jane Austen makes it clear that he is intelligent, if not as clever as Mr Darcy, good humored, kind, well manered and modest. It is the last that leads to the trouble between him and Jane - Bingley would have propsed to her at the beginning, in the face of opposition from Darcy and his sisters, if Darcy had not convinced him that Jane was indifferent to him.
In episode 4, in the background, we can see Bingley's manners and consideration for others. We know that Georgiana is shy and unsure of herself, and that Bingley is not in love with her, but he nevertheless looks after her when she is left standing when Darcy is being engrossed in Lizzy. That's how I interpret his offering her his arm back into the house as the Gardiners' carriage is leaving, and his applauding her and then going up to her after her playing on the second night at Pemberly (while Darcy is worrying about Lizzy and Lydia).
In summary I think that Mr Bingley was a very nice man (and I disagree with the view that nice is boring - I find boors far more boring), and will make excellent husband material, and that jane Austen also approved of him.
at least I've given y'all something to disagree with ; )
Anna.
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Posted by Anna on November 02, 1996 at 01:26:02:
In the archives I saw a discussion of the similarity between Lizzy's and Georgiana's clothes at their first meet. Has anyone else noticed that this continues ?
At the dinner at Pemberly they are both wearing simple cream frocks (much lower cut on Lizzy, but then Georgiana isn't "out" yet), and, so far as is possible given the differnces in colour and texture, they have the same haistyle.
They contrast stongly with the Bingley sisters. I wonder if this is an oblique way of telling us that the Bingley sisters are vulgarly overdressed - they are the children of a nouveau riche merchant. Georgiana is even richer than they are and her restraint is presumably a matter of good taste rather than limited funds. Or maybe it is just because of Georgiana's youth.
any opinions?
Anna.
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