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Posted by Hilary on November 01, 1996 at 15:28:57:
: I also love Mr. G's line about the inn being in all amazement at the honor of Darcy's visit.
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: Yes! I'd like more community reaction. We do get an ever so subtle little hint as to how impressed the staff were, when Hannah in an appropriately half-out-of- breath, obliging way calls from the window,
: "And one of them is Mr. Darcy!"
: (How I wish I knew how to write out pronunciation like Professor Higgins. I thought Hannahs's accent charming.)
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I thought Hannah was so good. Shows what someone can do even with a minor role. Maybe a Yorkshire accent? I loved the look on Lizzie's face in that scene: unlooked for and good things coming to pass!
I agree it would have been nice to have more reaction from the Gardiners etc. too. Guess they had to leave some things out. In addition to the instances Anna gave, I think Mrs. G is checking out Lizzie on the piano (possibly through some Mr. Bingley waffle) while Mr.G is taking in Darcy's reaction. And isn't Caroline's barb, that backfires so effectively, done precisely out of jealousy because she can see whats going on, and wants Darcy to snap out of happy thoughts and remember the impropriety of Lizzie's family?
And going back to Lizzie's reaction in the garden, I don't like the way she throws up her hands. It looks too rehearsed to me. Picky, I know, specially since the rest is just about perfect.
Hilary
Posted by genie on November 01, 1996 at 15:41:26:
: : "The Look" at Pemberley ... one of my favourite scenes.
: : I just came across this image of Colin ... looking absolutely gorgeous!
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: What a beautiful picture! How graceful. To bad my vcr went kaput at the beginning of the 4th part of this series. So for me, it only begins when Darcy is telling it to Miss Bingley, She as become one the most beautiful women I know. Can't wait to see the original version (the one I saw was dubbed in french)for the missing parts (of which I presume there is others)and to hear their voices...
: Johanne of Montreal
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Johanne,
You are in for a real treat! I am rather jealous. I can't even remember how I felt and reacted the first time I saw the program, it's been so long and so many re-viewings ago. And when you hear Darcy's voice...well, take care to have smelling salts at hand! Hope you get a chance to see the whole thing soon.
Genie
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Posted by Hilary on November 01, 1996 at 15:44:49:
: : : Does this mean I am obsessing???????? Grace
Yes, definitely, but don't worry about it! I am bugged by the steps and conversation flow at Pemberly too. -H
Then his final outburst is like "OK, I'm guilty! I'm in love with her, so shoot me!"
: -Arnessa.
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LOL! I like this scene too, especially since she's the one who really gets done.
Hilary
Posted by Hilary on November 01, 1996 at 15:53:10:
: I rather liked the Pemberley scene though, as you say Ann, there is no reason for all the walking about the room. Miss Bingley does walk well, and you get the impression that she's holding court in the room, and Darcy's the accused. Then his final outburst is like "OK, I'm guilty! I'm in love with her, so shoot me!"
: By the way, was that wine they were drinking? I thought it was coffee or some other warm beverage in that contraption.
: -Arnessa.
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I meant to add that the thing that really bugs me in this scene is Bingley's 'I think...' that then peters out when you can still see his lips moving, and our attention is on him.
I'll add one more - I don't like Darcy's 'grieved and shocked' line, in Lambton Inn. It sounds forced, and you can't see his expression, because his back is turned.
Hilary
Posted by Joan, too on November 01, 1996 at 16:02:20:
: The image of Colin is on the P&P Photo Album page (go to the link below).
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For those who have not seen it [the book] yet, the photos on this page have all been scanned from "The Making Of P&P" book.
Joan, too
Posted by Hilary on November 01, 1996 at 16:03:04:
: Anybody who wants some let me know.
: Amy
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Amy, I would like achives.
Thanks, Hilary.
Posted by Donna on November 01, 1996 at 16:08:27:
: : One thing that always bothered me about Lydia's invitation to Brighton was the way Kitty reacted to it. She had a right to be jealous, but as she herself said, she was not Mrs. Forster's "particular friend," and Lydia was. It doesn't matter that Kitty was older; Lydia was closer to Mrs. Forster. It was only natural that, if Mrs. Forster was going to invite one of the Bennet girls, she was going to invite Lydia to go with her.
: : Did this bother anyone else or do you think that maybe Kitty had the right to the invitation (even though neither one of them should have been allowed to go)?
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: Of course kitty was way off base! She is immature, selfish, and insipid, and almost completely out of control when she's around Lydia. Kitty is not rational, and so makes a mountain out of a mole-hill when Lydia gets the invitation. Of course, Lydia shouldn't be going either, but the mere fact that she does get to go clues us in to how much the Bennet family is malfunctioning at this point (Candace? Where are you with your dysfunctional family theories?). What was Mr. Bennet thinking?
: - K
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Lydia is 15 years old, I know my parents would not let me go with people other then family unless they were very good friends and reliable people. Mrs. Foster did seem to be very silly and Mr. Foster to old to be able to watch over Lydia's whereabouts. Also Mr.B. had really no insight to Lydia really,{she wanted his attention} he just knew he did want to be annoyed by Lydia if she stayed home. I think Lydia thought since everyone liked Wickham including Lizzie, Mr.B and Mrs.B. she thought it was ok to take off with Wickham. Maybe Mrs. B. idea was right the whole family should of went then they could see Lydia in action. Maybe Kitty would of found her out. Really the only thing Lydia really wanted was the right kind of instruction from both her parents. You can't always blame the kids.
ciao Donna
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Posted by Alicia on November 01, 1996 at 16:11:16:
: Alicia, you have given us a treasure. My very favorite moment -- not just in the movie but maybe of anything. I never slobber excpet when I take naps, but I declare my keyboard is shorting out from the drool.
: I am thinking of a bathroom tile along these lines. What say you? I shall have fun manipulating this image as it is not just a picture but an idea with me. Very nearly spiritual I dare say.
: (I dare say I've lost it this time.)
: Amy
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Amy-
You're very welcome! When I stumbled across the photo, I couldn't wait to share it with everyone!
BATHROOM TILE!!-- oooh, just the thought of "that look" surrounding me....
Amy, now you've got ME drooling with the thought of Colin... oh, I'll keep that to myself :-)
Posted by Cheryl on November 01, 1996 at 16:22:41:
: I agree that having Jane there engaging a conversation with Bingley
: really makes so much more sense.
Maybe they figured Jane's presense in this scean was
: minor enough, that nobody would be bothered if they wrote her out
: from Bingley's side...
: Zimei
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Cheryl
Posted by Donna on November 01, 1996 at 16:34:39:
: May Darcy be excused via a combination of being misunderstood, unenlightened and out-of-practice?
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: I think his front, as I said before, is an involuntary defense mechanism. He doesn't mean to be a jerk, but that's how he comes off when under attack by the situation. He says things to diffuse his own discomfort, but doesn't realize that in doing so he may be exhibiting offensive or childish behavior.
: Yes, he is misunderstood, becuase people take him to be this awful, haughty, hateful man, which he isn't. He is unenlightened becuase he doesn't understand that other people are affected negatively by what he says and does. And, he is out-of-practice, I guess you could say, becuase he was brought up in an insular world in which he never truly learned how to comfortably relate to strangers. The years since his parents' deaths further contributed to his social inadequacy (serious work, no fun), and, well, I guess that's it!
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I know you don't want to hear this or say this but, I think after anything else he was the most adorable, handsome SNOB we ever could possibly like.He didn't know how to be anything else,until he met Lizzie.
When you think in a singlar way you are a snob. It was a rude awakening. He knew he had to change to get Lizzie to fall in love with him.
ciao Donna
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Posted by Carolyn on November 01, 1996 at 16:34:47:
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: I think I saw it available in a recent PBS video catalog that I receive. I will double check and let you tomorrow if it is available.
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I double checked the catalog and it seems to have every late Victorian/Edwardian drama except Duchess of Duke Street. Sorry if I raised any hopes.
Posted by Grace on November 01, 1996 at 16:43:34:
: . Elizabeth is talking to Colonel Forster about "subduing the French" and Mrs Bennet is standing there like she's drugged or something. Usually she would be dominating the conversation or at least bobbling enthusiastically. Here she's just wooden.
: Another little anomaly I noticed took place at Rosings just after Darcy returns from Lizzy's refusal. He bounds up the stairs in the main hall, then soon gazes out the window
: from what seems to be a ground floor room. Maybe you've already talked about this but I always thought it was a bit obvious and a bit odd.
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: I did notice the drugged Mrs. B. with Colonel Forster; it was almost as if the actress didn't realize she was in the scene.
I didn't notice all the hand/arm motions Anne mentions but will have to check on a future viewing. Same for the blocking in the Pemberley/handsomest scene - it never caught my attention.
The window thing about Darcy's Rosing bedchamber is a classic mistake. Also, when he goes to write his letter to Lizzy, he walks to the left of the chair and then is shown to be sitting down from the right side. It also bothers me that the candle is burning already when he sits down.
One more thing (might as well get it all out of my system): for Wickham's first pay-off (supposedly five years ago) - Georgiana is not shown as a girl of eleven; she's her regular old sixteen-year-old self.
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Posted by Marsha on November 01, 1996 at 16:44:25:
: : "The Look" at Pemberley ... one of my favourite scenes.
: : I just came across this image of Colin ... looking absolutely gorgeous!
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: Ooops... I guess the image didn't show up correctly (sorry!). The image of Colin is on the P&P Photo Album page (go to the link below).
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THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Marsha
Posted by Grace on November 01, 1996 at 16:46:05:
: . Elizabeth is talking to Colonel Forster about "subduing the French" and Mrs Bennet is standing there like she's drugged or something. Usually she would be dominating the conversation or at least bobbling enthusiastically. Here she's just wooden.
: Another little anomaly I noticed took place at Rosings just after Darcy returns from Lizzy's refusal. He bounds up the stairs in the main hall, then soon gazes out the window
: from what seems to be a ground floor room. Maybe you've already talked about this but I always thought it was a bit obvious and a bit odd.
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: I did notice the drugged Mrs. B. with Colonel Forster; it was almost as if the actress didn't realize she was in the scene.
I didn't notice all the hand/arm motions Anne mentions but will have to check on a future viewing. Same for the blocking in the Pemberley/handsomest scene - it never caught my attention.
The window thing about Darcy's Rosing bedchamber is a classic mistake. Also, when he goes to write his letter to Lizzy, he walks to the left of the chair and then is shown to be sitting down from the right side. It also bothers me that the candle is burning already when he sits down.
One more thing (might as well get it all out of my system): for Wickham's first pay-off (supposedly five years ago) - Georgiana is not shown as a girl of eleven; she's her regular old sixteen-year-old self.
Posted by Marsha on November 01, 1996 at 16:51:13:
I think Lydia thought since everyone liked Wickham including Lizzie, Mr.B and Mrs.B. she thought it was ok to take off with Wickham. Maybe Mrs. B. idea was right the whole family should of went then they could see Lydia in action. Maybe Kitty would of found her out. Really the only thing Lydia really wanted was the right kind of instruction from both her parents. You can't always blame the kids.
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: ciao Donna
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Kitty did know about W. since Lydia wrote to her about it in the letters, but she didn't tell anyone because:
a) she has no brains
b) it's a secret
so I don't think she would have done anything to prevent the engagement, probably only helped it, since she seems to be under Lydia's influence. Maybe she'd have eloped herself-then Mr Darcy would have to pay twice as much! :)
Marsha
Posted by Donna on November 01, 1996 at 16:52:09:
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: : : "The Look" at Pemberley ... one of my favourite scenes.
: : : I just came across this image of Colin ... looking absolutely gorgeous!
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: : What a beautiful picture! How graceful. To bad my vcr went kaput at the beginning of the 4th part of this series. So for me, it only begins when Darcy is telling it to Miss Bingley, She as become one the most beautiful women I know. Can't wait to see the original version (the one I saw was dubbed in french)for the missing parts (of which I presume there is others)and to hear their voices...
: : Johanne of Montreal
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: Johanne,
: You are in for a real treat! I am rather jealous. I can't even remember how I felt and reacted the first time I saw the program, it's been so long and so many re-viewings ago. And when you hear Darcy's voice...well, take care to have smelling salts at hand! Hope you get a chance to see the whole thing soon.
: Genie
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Genie go to FoF page in the link section her. They have his voice. I think it is under more of Colin,but I might be wrong.
Donna
Posted by Marsha on November 01, 1996 at 16:57:34:
: I won't digress too far from the path of the BB, do not fear.
: Maria Edgeworth's 'Belinda', first published in 1801, is both an
: interesting compliment and a starkly different slant on Jane
: Austen's vision of Regency England. All the cliched drama of
: novels missing from Austen -- indeed, which she purposefully
: avoids inserting, even when they seem to drive the plot -- are,
: much of them, present in Belinda. Two duels, a smattering of
: melodramatic confessions unveiled on character's knees, and even
: a slightly humorous mysterious boudoir, all pervade a novel
: which Austen herself read, and which, I believe, liked. She even
: refers to it in Northanger Abbey.
: It's not -- certainly -- Austen. Nothing is. But it is very
: interesting to read it and compare it with, for example, Pride
: and Prejudice. Have any of you read it, and if so, what did you
: think? Lastly, do any of you wish it were produced a la P&P2?
: Cordially,
: Raphael
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I've read it and I like it, though of course, not half as much as I do Austen, and I'd chose Lizzie over Belinda any day.
But, I think it is a nice book (I can just see Henry Tilney smirking at 'nice' btw, I think it was in 'NA' JA mentioned 'Belinda' as something extra, and that made me read it)
I'd love to see it as a minisereas, a la "P&P"
Marsha
Posted by Grace on November 01, 1996 at 16:59:36:
What's lucky about the green jacket? In what other scenes did Darcy wear it?
(If this has already been discussed, so sorry.) Grace
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Posted by Zimei on November 01, 1996 at 17:36:51:
Here is another nice Lizzy/Darcy pic I found in Ehle fan club
page ...
Zimei
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Posted by Cheryl on November 01, 1996 at 17:40:12:
: The second is the evening visit when Darcy is watching Lizzie sing, Mr.G turns and watchs Darcy watching Lizzie. I have always thought any suspision he may have had were confirmed at that moment. With that look who could doubt Darcys love.
: Mich
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Yes, and the book does say that the Gardiners feel "it was very evident that she [Lizzy] was much better acquainted with Mr. Darcy than they had before any idea of; it was evident that he was very much in love with her."
Yes, indeed.
Cheryl
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