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Posted by Linda on November 01, 1996 at 10:28:20:
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: : Where did you get the book? I would like to order it.
: : Thanks.
: : Sylvia
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: Actually, I borrowed the book from my library. It's no longer in print, so the only place that you can find it is either at your library or at a used book store.
: Happy hunting!
: Stefanie :)
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With the current interest in Jane Austen, I wonder if a case could be made to the publisher to put it back into print ??
I've been on the lookout for Pemberley Shades since I heard about 25+ years ago, but I've never seen it in a bookstore, library nor catalog.
Linda
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Posted by Brigid on November 01, 1996 at 10:58:58:
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: : you have inadvertantly hit upon another of my obsessions! ___________________
: : Another link. This is mystifying. I really must put that addiction page together. We have so much material:
: : - Signs of addiction
: : - The beginning of the steps
: : - Related and ancillary obsessions
: : - Myers Briggs scores (for those of you who missed that phase we were going through, we tend to be off-the-chart Ns)
: : - The classic confessions
: : Amy
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: I wasn't here when you did the Myers-Briggs scores (although I remember the discussion on Austen-L). I took the test a few years ago and came out an ENFP. Does that surprise anyone?
: Cheryl
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So nice to meet another ENFP. I was interested to see that N seems to be the common link. What does that say about us all I wonder? That we like Austen because she leaves so much to our intuition about human nature?
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Posted by Amy on November 01, 1996 at 11:00:04:
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: With the current interest in Jane Austen, I wonder if a case could be made to the publisher to put it back into print ??
: I've been on the lookout for Pemberley Shades since I heard about 25+ years ago, but I've never seen it in a bookstore, library nor catalog.
: Linda
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I have wondered the same thing, Linda.
Henry, do you know the status of the copyright? Author alive? Etc?
Amy
Posted by Ann2 on November 01, 1996 at 11:02:38:
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: : : - also, way back at the Netherfield/'admire your figures' scene, the director has Bingley staring, like an idiot, at the fire place when surely he would be caught up in the striking conversation.
Yes this looks stupid and not Bingleylike (or is he thinking of one other figure to admire, that is upstairs in bed ?)
(Also, the whole set-up of that room is off from one scene to another, as someone brought up before. Door, desk, fireplace, position of sofa seem off to me from one scene to another.) I have tried to make the room out, just you wait till I can scan and pester Amy with it
: : : Does this mean I am obsessing???????? Grace
I am afraid that it might be something like that, Grace. Donīt panic, just let yourself be carried away...
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in the scene after the Gardiners and
: : Lizzy leave Pemberley after dinner ("Yes, I did. But that
: : was only when I first knew her"). Darcy and Caroline follow
: : eachother around the room. ( here I have kept "the Darcy move" only. Ann2 :
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: : he starts over at the wine then moves to the fireplace,
: : he sits down where she was sitting.
: : he walks back over by the wine--where she just was.
: : Maybe this was supposed to suggest that they were stalking
: : around eachother like cats,
: : It's a small point, I know, but it still bugs me.
: : Ann
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: I agree Grace, once you notice Bingley is just sitting there at Netherfield staring into space, it's very distracting.
: I rather liked the Pemberley scene though, as you say Ann, there is no reason for all the walking about the room. Miss Bingley does walk well, and you get the impression that she's holding court in the room, and Darcy's the accused. Then his final outburst is like "OK, I'm guilty! I'm in love with her, so shoot me!"
Aaahh, I like that ( but admit he had every reason to walk around, more of a tiger than a cat I should say. He is
trying to control himself and not let Caroline in on anything that concerns his private affairs. But she is pushing to far and as the book says he could contain himself no longer
He starts in a supressed tone :Yes I did, but that was only
(Voice and figure rising and as he reaches the fireplace he
turns around and crescendo) one of the handsomest...)
: By the way, was that wine they were drinking? I thought it was coffee or some other warm beverage in that contraption.
: -Arnessa.
I too have wondered, it could not have been port so late in the evening and cognac no wrong colour ?
Ann2
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Posted by Amy on November 01, 1996 at 11:06:30:
: So nice to meet another ENFP. I was interested to see that N seems to be the common link. What does that say about us all I wonder? That we like Austen because she leaves so much to our intuition about human nature?
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That's an interpretation I don't remember from our early discussion of this, Brigid. Makes sense. I'm an INF JorP.
Amy
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Posted by Ann2 on November 01, 1996 at 11:16:17:
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:at the Netherfield/'admire your figures' scene, the director has Bingley staring, like an idiot, at the fire place when surely he would be caught up in the striking conversation.
Yes this looks stupid and not Bingleylike (or is he thinking of one other figure to admire, that is upstairs in bed ?) Ann2
(Also, the whole set-up of that room is off from one scene to another, as someone brought up before. Door, desk, fireplace, position of sofa seem off to me from one scene to another.)
I have tried to make the room out, just you wait till I can scan and pester Amy with it
: : : Does this mean I am obsessing???????? Grace
I am afraid that it might be something like that, Grace. Donīt panic, just let yourself be carried away...
in the scene after the Gardiners and
: : Lizzy leave Pemberley after dinner ("Yes, I did. But that
: : was only when I first knew her"). Darcy and Caroline follow
: : eachother around the room.
( here I have kept "the Darcy move" only. Ann2 :
:
: : he starts over at the wine then moves to the fireplace,
: : he sits down where she was sitting.
: : he walks back over by the wine--where she just was.
: : Maybe this was supposed to suggest that they were stalking
: : around eachother like cats,
: : It's a small point, I know, but it still bugs me.
: : Ann
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: I agree Grace, once you notice Bingley is just sitting there at Netherfield staring into space, it's very distracting.
: I rather liked the Pemberley scene though, as you say Ann, there is no reason for all the walking about the room. Miss Bingley does walk well, and you get the impression that she's holding court in the room, and Darcy's the accused. Then his final outburst is like "OK, I'm guilty! I'm in love with her, so shoot me!"
Aaahh, I like that ( but admit he had every reason to walk around, more of a tiger than a cat I should say. He is
trying to control himself and not let Caroline in on anything that concerns his private affairs. But she is pushing to far and as the book says, he could contain himself no longer
He starts in a supressed tone :Yes I did, but that was only
(Voice and figure rising and as he reaches the fireplace he
turns around and crescendo) one of the handsomest...)
: By the way, was that wine they were drinking? I thought it was coffee or some other warm beverage in that contraption.
: -Arnessa.
I too have wondered, it could not have been port so late in the evening and cognac? No wrong colour ?
Ann2 Sorry my former message was a mess hihi, so I had to redo it.
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Posted by Annie on November 01, 1996 at 11:26:02:
One thing that always bothered me about Lydia's invitation to Brighton was the way Kitty reacted to it. She had a right to be jealous, but as she herself said, she was not Mrs. Forster's "particular friend," and Lydia was. It doesn't matter that Kitty was older; Lydia was closer to Mrs. Forster. It was only natural that, if Mrs. Forster was going to invite one of the Bennet girls, she was going to invite Lydia to go with her.
Did this bother anyone else or do you think that maybe Kitty had the right to the invitation (even though neither one of them should have been allowed to go)?
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Posted by Ann on November 01, 1996 at 11:39:46:
: : The problem I have is he rides up sees the path to :Pemberly then decides to take a swim gets off his horse :,they widen the view.As you say their is the wall, bales of :hey. The next time you see Mr. Darcy he is on the oppisite :side of the pond from where his horse is. There is no wall :, no bales of hey.
: Yes, I too was puzzled by the wandering horse/pond. I suppose they were going for the most picturesque shot and thought no-one would watch it enough to wonder about the logistics
: Anna
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I thought he just walked to the spot in the pond without all
of the floating lilies in it. Though I don't know why he
didn't just ride to that part of the pond.
Ann
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Posted by Ann on November 01, 1996 at 11:47:00:
: -- My question -- where is the large party that was coming up? In the video it is just the normal Bingley crowd (where the book does mention other people).
: Anne
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Yes. Couldn't they have changed Mrs. Reynolds' line to strike out the word large? I think this is another one of the little places where Davies fell asleep at his keyboard.
Ann
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Posted by Ann on November 01, 1996 at 11:49:57:
: : : (How I wish I knew how to write out pronunciation like Professor Higgins. I thought Hannahs's accent charming.)
: :
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: : Speaking of accents, when they all get back to Longbourne
: : and Kitty passes the potatoes to her aunt and says "And that's
: : the first kind word I've had since Lydia went away...", is
: : that a Welsh accent the actress has? It sounds different to
: : me from the usual BBC accent.
: : Ann
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: Nope, Julia Sawhalia is English, though I believe her father is Middle Eastern
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Saphie wasn't in that scene (she had just run off, remember.)
Ann
Posted by Ann on November 01, 1996 at 11:51:44:
: : : What a puppy he is!
: : : : Janet__________
: :
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: :
: : Arf! ; )
: : In some ways, definitely yes! But he pretends to be casually unimpressed with everything, just like a cat!
: : - K
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: So here's the cat! Yes, how adaptive he is! A complex personality indeed.
: : Janet _________
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We now have two threads in which Darcy is referred to as cat-like. Are we on to something here?
Ann
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Posted by Dina on November 01, 1996 at 11:57:09:
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: : Has anyone seen the 1967 or the 1980 productions of P & P? Please tell me where I can get copies of the videos. I live and breathe P & P...
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: Please tell what you know about these Rachel. I have heard only fragments of reports, none of which sound quite real.
: Amy
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I have seen the P&P1 many times. I have to be honest I think I like the Lizzy in this one a little better the Jennifer's portrayal (please don't ban me). However the Darcy (for all his curly hair and square jaw line) holds nothing to Firth. His "I am greived" puts me in stitches. The scene where he gives Lizzy the letter and we see him walk and walk and walk away is cool. I also like Lizzies singing and spunkiness (is this a word?)I have also seen the 1980's Mansfield Park, Sense and Sensibility, and Northanger Abby. These aren't great. I think NA is a bit juvenile anyway. I don't want to see the Persuasion because nothing could top the current one. Anne's recommendation of Critics Choice as a source is an excellent one. They sell them all and also have a pretty complete collection of BBC and other old movies. Great source!
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Posted by Mich on November 01, 1996 at 12:05:51:
: : : Not necessarily...while Mr. Darcy is steadfastness itself, Mr. Firth is...shall we say...not.
: : : Cheryl
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: : Very good point Cheryl. From everything I've read about
: : Firth he seems a bit....well, thick (in the head for those
: : who remember the daggy thread).
: : Ann
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: : My impression is that Firth will help his career by cultivating an air of mystery....and saying as little as possible.
: Grace
: P.S. You will note my restraint in not commenting further on Ann's references.
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Amy,
if you ever create a thread hall of fame the DAGGY thread must be included. Just thining about it makes me laugh.
Mich
Posted by Dina on November 01, 1996 at 12:14:23:
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: I often wish I could see the scene where Lady C would tell
: Darcy about her conversation with Lizzy. I want to see his
: face when he hears how Lizzy responded to the interrogation.
: karen
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I would have loved to see that. Can you imagine him trying hard not to smirk? Also with what haste he contacted Bingley, "Don't you want to go back the Netherfield, I will go with you"? In P&P1 when Darcy is walking back to Rosings, he is visibly upset (swinging his cane etc)when the Collins' are leaving. Charlotte says to Mr. C: "I believe he is in love with Lizzie" Mr. C says something like Lady C won't like that. I am sure Charlotte knew and told Mr. C who cannot keep anything from his destinguished patroness. Gag.
Posted by Bernie on November 01, 1996 at 12:17:17:
: : (How I wish I knew how to write out pronunciation like Professor Higgins. I thought Hannahs's accent charming.)
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: Speaking of accents, when they all get back to Longbourne
: and Kitty passes the potatoes to her aunt and says "And that's
: the first kind word I've had since Lydia went away...", is
: that a Welsh accent the actress has? It sounds different to
: me from the usual BBC accent.
: Ann
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I don't think so. A Welsh accent is much more sing-song, however, I'll admit it is difficult to tell.
Bernie
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Posted by Donna on November 01, 1996 at 12:30:30:
: : : : What a puppy he is!
: : : : : Janet__________
: : :
: : : ___________________
: : :
: : : Arf! ; )
: : : In some ways, definitely yes! But he pretends to be casually unimpressed with everything, just like a cat!
: : : - K
: :
: : __________
: : So here's the cat! Yes, how adaptive he is! A complex personality indeed.
: : : Janet _________
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: We now have two threads in which Darcy is referred to as cat-like. Are we on to something here?
: Ann
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All that bottled-up emotion. What will he ever do?
ciao Donna
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Posted by Donna on November 01, 1996 at 12:37:54:
: : : (How I wish I knew how to write out pronunciation like Professor Higgins. I thought Hannahs's accent charming.)
: :
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: : Speaking of accents, when they all get back to Longbourne
: : and Kitty passes the potatoes to her aunt and says "And that's
: : the first kind word I've had since Lydia went away...", is
: : that a Welsh accent the actress has? It sounds different to
: : me from the usual BBC accent.
: : Ann
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: I don't think so. A Welsh accent is much more sing-song, however, I'll admit it is difficult to tell.
: Bernie
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I think Lizzie should hire Hannah to work at Pemberly. Silly isn't it. Just based on what Uncle G. said about her.
ciao Donna
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Posted by Zimei on November 01, 1996 at 12:55:20:
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: I agree Grace, once you notice Bingley is just sitting there at Netherfield staring into space, it's very distracting. They could have stuck with the book. Wasn't Jane well enough at this point to join them for a little while? So wasn't Bingley supposed to be engaged in earnest converstion with Jane near the fireplace while Darcy and Lizzy are having it out?
: I rather liked the Pemberley scene though, as you say Ann, there is no reason for all the walking about the room. Miss Bingley does walk well, and you get the impression that she's holding court in the room, and Darcy's the accused. Then his final outburst is like "OK, I'm guilty! I'm in love with her, so shoot me!"
: By the way, was that wine they were drinking? I thought it was coffee or some other warm beverage in that contraption.
: -Arnessa.
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I agree that having Jane there engaging a conversation with Bingley
really makes so much more sense.
I wonder if that was the original design but they had to change that
because of shooting schedule conflict ? according to "The Making
of ..." only Jennifer Ehle stayed on set from beginning to end, the
rest of the cast all had to work around the P&P2 shootings and other
engagements. Maybe they figured Jane's presense in this scean was
minor enough, that nobody would be bothered if they wrote her out
from Bingley's side...
Zimei
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Posted by Joan, too on November 01, 1996 at 12:55:48:
: : -- My question -- where is the large party that was coming up? In the video it is just the normal Bingley crowd (where the book does mention other people).
: : Anne
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: Yes. Couldn't they have changed Mrs. Reynolds' line to strike out the word large? I think this is another one of the little places where Davies fell asleep at his keyboard.
: Ann
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Could the party have been considered large because of the personal servants that the Bingley party would have brought with them, all of whom Mrs. R. would have had the responsibility for housing?
Joan, too
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Posted by Joan, too on November 01, 1996 at 13:08:32:
: I agree that having Jane there engaging a conversation with Bingley
: really makes so much more sense.
: I wonder if that was the original design but they had to change that
: because of shooting schedule conflict ? according to "The Making
: of ..." only Jennifer Ehle stayed on set from beginning to end, the
: rest of the cast all had to work around the P&P2 shootings and other
: engagements. Maybe they figured Jane's presense in this scean was
: minor enough, that nobody would be bothered if they wrote her out
: from Bingley's side...
: Zimei
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The other place that a missing person bothers me even more is the scene at the parsonage in which the Colonel and Darcy make their first visit. Immediately prior to this Mr. C. is seen running about like a chicken with it's head cut off looking for his wife and her guests because the gentlemen are hard upon his heels - make haste, make haste! So then we see the visit, and all of those currently in residence at the parsonage are present and accounted for except Charlotte. Even Maria is there, saying absolutely nothing and looking completely overwhelmed, but the hostess, whom Mr. C. had particularly urged to return quickly, is nowhere to be seen.
Joan, too
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