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Posted by Grace on October 31, 1996 at 20:10:06:
: : .....And if that did not hold true, you could take comfort in the fact that your life expectancy at the time would be very short.
: : : : Grace
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: : : Happy thought, indeed!
: : : Cheryl
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: : I've been away from this BB for about a week or so and have missed the many posts.... especially about Mr. Collins! I have read that some think he overplayed the character, however, I think he played it perfectly! There was a thread before and we discussed all the Collin-isms. He just cracks me up. Everytime I watch P&P, which is ... okay, daily, I
: : look for some new thing that he does that is so awkward and goofy! One new thing I noticed about him was when he was on his way to Longbourn to first meet his "fair cousins", he gets up on to the carriage and then the carriage takes off.
: : And of course, who can forget when he descends from the carriage at Longbourn.
: : What a gentleman!!!!
: : Bea
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: I think you could be a governess, or a servant, and I'd rather do that than to be married to someone like that, but maybe Charlotte knew how to reach nirvana, or had really great consentration skills (as for me, I'd rather marry Mr Hurst, ugh!)
: Marsha
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: All Mr. Collins had to offer was a religious experience.
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Posted by hat on October 31, 1996 at 20:12:21:
: : Quite right all you various Anns. I love the way Austen leaves her work open for interpretation, too. Isn't it funny, though, how this particular adaptation struck so many of us as being right on -- just the way we think of it and just the way we fill in the gaps.
: : Is it some kind of collective subconsious thing?
: : Amy
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: Great discussion. I think the other wonderful thing is that this is the way life is. So often I would like to speak of something with a friend or relative but there are barriers to that conversation. JA catchs that feeling so well. It is wierd how right this adaptation is though. Maybe Davies was channeling JA.
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I agree. I love the bit that Amy quoted because it was a perfect description of people skirting round the thing that was most important, and we do kinda know how they all feel. Haven't we all been there? I also like the follow on a little later where Lizzie is leaving Lambton and tells her aunt that Darcy has been there and 'That is all settled' and Mrs G. says: 'And are they on such terms as for her to disclose the real truth! Oh, that I knew how it was!'
Hilary
Posted by ; ) on October 31, 1996 at 20:16:42:
: What a puppy he is!
: : Janet__________
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Arf! ; )
In some ways, definitely yes! But he pretends to be casually unimpressed with everything, just like a cat!
- K
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Posted by Cheryl on October 31, 1996 at 20:27:00:
: : Ladies, may I perhaps bring some reconcilliation of opinion here, and steer you away from such grim consolations as short life expectations, by recommending to you the advantages of Duck Tape (see another post). Although developed for sealing ducks beaks, this one product could perform all the functions that Cheryl, in particular, required,- ear-plugs, blindfolds and such, in one easy application. It is an equal opportunity product, being non gender specific, and could be used to equal effect in either party.
: : Hilary
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: : In other words: IF THERE BE ONLY A SLIGHT, THIN SORT OF INCLINATION........OH, THE EFFICACY OF DUCK TAPE IN GETTING YOUR LOVE TO STAY!
: A perfect thought for this particular night of horrors.
: HAPPY HALLOWEEN EVERYONE!
: Grace
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Grace, Grace, Grace, (much tsking and head shaking) you are incorrigible. Whatever shall we do with you?
Cheryl
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Posted by Kali on October 31, 1996 at 20:27:43:
: I'm a long time fan of P&P, and have always tended to deplore any
: deviation from the novel in the various adaptations. To me P&P2
: is the best of the adaptations, but even so, I disagree with most
: of the deviations in it. However in episode 4 there is a change
: that makes more sense to me than the original;
: In the novel, after the first, highly embarasing (?spelling) meeting
: with Darcy, Lizzy then accompanies her Aunt and Uncle on a walk
: through the grounds. I find the urge to immediate flight shown
: in P&P2 more believable - even if Lizzy would then have to explain
: her distress to the Gardiners, surely anything would have seemed
: preferable to meeting Darcy again at that stage.
: Any opinions?
: Anna
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I like how she freaks after running into him. He makes for the house, the Gardiners pop onto the scene, and she all but throws up her hands and shreiks in frustration as she trudges off, insisting that they'd better get the heck away from there (sexual tension!). A beautifully-played reaction by JE - and very realistic, too. I know I would have probably reacted in much the same way.
- K
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Posted by Amy on October 31, 1996 at 20:29:24:
I could not find the message where you asked about Ann's costume list. I agree. The life of that work deserves to be longer than four days. So now the list is linked to the FAQ.
Amy
Link:
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Posted by hat on October 31, 1996 at 20:37:07:
: : : In other words: IF THERE BE ONLY A SLIGHT, THIN SORT OF INCLINATION........OH, THE EFFICACY OF DUCK TAPE IN GETTING YOUR LOVE TO STAY!
: : A perfect thought for this particular night of horrors.
: : HAPPY HALLOWEEN EVERYONE!
: : Grace
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: Grace, Grace, Grace, (much tsking and head shaking) you are incorrigible. Whatever shall we do with you?
: Cheryl
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Happy Halloween to you all, too!
Fondly, Hilary
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Posted by Tommye on October 31, 1996 at 20:39:15:
: : through the grounds. I find the urge to immediate flight shown
: : in P&P2 more believable -
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: Absolutely agree. She would have made haste.
: What parts do you wish had been maintained?
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I know the question wasn't directed at me, but having just read this portion this afternoon, I wanted to say that I would have enjoyed hearing the events discussed by the Aunt and Uncle, as occurred in the book. I would also have enjoyed seeing the Aunt and Uncle slowly becoming aware that Darcy was in love with Lizzy--something we were denied in P&P2. In fact, the aunt and uncle seemed to have been used only for the initial meeting scene, as far as playing important roles in the goings on. (The visit of Lizzy and Mrs. Gardiner to Miss Darcy, et al, while Mr. Gardiner joined Darcy fishing. It would have given credibility to the Aunts comment to Lizzy much later in the letter to Lizzy regarding Mr. Darcy's part in paying off Wickham in England.
:Tommye
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Posted by Tommye on October 31, 1996 at 20:46:27:
....and the minatures, including Darcy and Wickham,
: are moved in the stairwell. ., leaving: Mr Darcy senior's favorite room as it was when he was alive is
: the only likely reason Darcy would have had for keeping Wickham's...
... Another minor fault with episode 4 is the poor state of the dry: stone walls in the background as Darcy is galloping up to the : pond - at least half has fallen down. - the walls would have been : almost new in 1812.
: Anna.
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I would never a detective make! I'm amazed at the visual acuity of some of you! My eyes were so fixed on Darcy, and continue to be every time I view that scene with Darcy galloping into Pemberly, that I've never glanced to the left or right!
I did at least feel uneasy at Wickham's portrait being in
Mrs. Darcy's favorite room...I just never thought it all the way through! Thanks for the insight!
Tommye
Posted by Anne on October 31, 1996 at 20:48:07:
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: Awkward, I know. Been feeling the need for my own domain name. sotrue.com is available. What do you think?
: Amy
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Sounds appropriate
Anne
Posted by Anne on October 31, 1996 at 21:06:43:
: Anyone else out there think that Firth is one of those rare men who actually seem to improve with age? I think his face looks better now than when he was younger. (The Sean Connery phenomenon).
: But will he keep his hair???????
: Grace
: P.S. I'm not on the Firthlist, but I'm sure these points have been reviewed for weeks there.
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(Also -- Paul Newman)
Yes, I think he looks better now than in Valmont and Camille (though he wasn't bad looking there. I also like him with the longer, darker hair. Will be interesting to see him in a beard. Didn't like the cheesy moustache in Circle of Friends (and I normally like beards and moustaches).
Anne
Posted by tommye on October 31, 1996 at 21:07:14:
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: Anna, you took the words from my mouth (or how you put it in English). Is not this style of
: cautious writing exactly what make the Austen novels so rich. You are never finished, every time you reread a couple of chapters there is a new possibility. Why did she say...? What did he mean...? Where were they to...? How could he...? This Chinese box containing new little boxes in a hopefully neverending succession is what enables us all to find fresh threads to follow in a lot of directions. Why this board is one solid proof of it!
: This said by my "Ellinor half" I canīt help understanding those romantic Mariannes, who would not mind exposing themselves to ridicule if that would bring them some more lines from Jane Aīs hand on every intriguing matter.
: Ann2
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Well put, Ann2! I believe you have found the key to the seemingly eternal attraction to exploring Austen's intent.
:Tommye
Posted by Anne on October 31, 1996 at 21:14:57:
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: I love his voice as well.. Voices affect me. Maybe that's why I write about radio.
: Amy
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Amy -- I too love voices (James Earl Jones, Patrick Stewart, Sean Connery off the top of my head). I especially love voices in cartoons (real cartoons, not super heroes).
Anne
Posted by Tommye on October 31, 1996 at 21:20:46:
: : : Maybe this is why he's got such inner steel - he's had to "grow up" rather quickly for a young man in his class and position. No wonder he has trouble dealing with people in general - he really doen't "fit" in with most men of his age and class, nor is he comfortable with people "below" him. Gotta love him - he's got resolve!
: : : - K
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: : So...Darcy's *not* rude, arrogant, and obnoxious... he's just misunderstood! ;-)
: : Cheryl
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: It's all a(f)front - which he does resolve!
: : Janet_________
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No, No, Janet. It can't be a front because (a few postings up we discovered that) Darcy was NOT dissimulative!
:Tommye
:::P.S.
Of course, also in a previous posting, we saw that Darcy was referred to as a "Puppy" and also like a little "cat." So perhaps in an effort to avoid being dissimulative, Darcy attempted to behave like a puppy and/or a cat, but his actions came off rude, arrogant and obnoxious, and, obviously, misunderstood.
What do you think?
::TOMMYE
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Posted by Anne on October 31, 1996 at 21:21:39:
Amy --
A while back quite a few people participated in a thread to add to the
bios. If you have those, send them to me and I will work on formatting
them for you.
Anne
Posted by Tommye on October 31, 1996 at 21:25:32:
: Sheesh, this is one smart thread! WWhat a beautiful linkage between the morality and the "transforamtion"!
: - K
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:TransforAMTION?
::Tommye
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Posted by Grace on October 31, 1996 at 21:33:12:
: : : : In other words: IF THERE BE ONLY A SLIGHT, THIN SORT OF INCLINATION........OH, THE EFFICACY OF DUCK TAPE IN GETTING YOUR LOVE TO STAY!
: : : A perfect thought for this particular night of horrors.
: : : HAPPY HALLOWEEN EVERYONE!
: : : Grace
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: : Grace, Grace, Grace, (much tsking and head shaking) you are incorrigible. Whatever shall we do with you?
: : Cheryl
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: Happy Halloween to you all, too!
: Fondly, Hilary
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: Cheryl, please do not think ill of me. You would be slaphappy, too, if you had just had hundreds of trick-or-treaters tromping through your yard and banging down your door. I would willingly go back to the Regency and marry Mr. Collins (with or without duck tape as a marital aid)if you could promise me NO MORE HALLOWEEN!
Posted by tommye on October 31, 1996 at 21:43:59:
: : : : Hinds playing one of two Irish brothers who share a mistress.
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: : : : I think it is called "Paint Your Wagon, Will Ya?"
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: : : : Really? (Wasn't there a Clint Eastwood film with a similar title??)
: : : I missed much of the film, only stuck with it because of Hinds. Dark and interesting, both Hinds and the film. Thanks, Grace
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: : Sorry. A failed attempt at humor. Paint Your Wagon was a sadly miscast movie from a good stage musical. Imagine Clint Eastwood singing. And Jean Sea(e?)burg, bless her memory. Lee Marvin singing. Now that was inspired. He got away with it much like Rex Harrison did.
: : I don't have a clue as to your movie, but in recompense here is the Ciaran Hinds link. Me? I like him. He smolders.
: : Amy
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: : I'm sorry I missed it - shows how humorless I am before six cups of coffee in the morning. Grace
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"Paint Your Wagon, will ya?" FD?LOL (I don't remember all this lingo...short-term memory probs...remember?)
I found this thread very funny, indeed. Even when Grace missed the yuk.
Smoldering, yes indeed. Capt. Wentworth does smolder. Very intense.
::Tommye
Posted by Grace on October 31, 1996 at 21:48:34:
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: : : through the grounds. I find the urge to immediate flight shown
: : : in P&P2 more believable -
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: : Absolutely agree. She would have made haste.
: : What parts do you wish had been maintained?
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. I would also have enjoyed seeing the Aunt and Uncle slowly becoming aware that Darcy was in love with Lizzy--something we were denied in P&P2.
: :Tommye
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: I agree. I've always thought that it was a major flaw not to have the Gardiners present in the Georgiana/Lizzy meeting scene. P&P2 made Lizzy appear so ready to accept the invitation to Pemberley, when really Mrs. G. took the lead in this. The Gardiners' interest in Bingley as well as their sudden realization of Darcy's affections would have been so much fun to see. I also love Mr. G's line about the inn being in all amazement at the honor of Darcy's visit.
Grace
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Posted by ;+) on October 31, 1996 at 21:57:11:
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: : Sheesh, this is one smart thread! WWhat a beautiful linkage between the morality and the "transforamtion"!
: : - K
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: :TransforAMTION?
: ::Tommye
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Either you're making a crack at my spelling, or you're doing your impression of Adam Sandler's Cajun Man. ; )
- K
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