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Posted by hat on October 31, 1996 at 17:58:55:
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: Oh dear, Amy, you have inadvertantly hit upon another of my obsessions! I have Oz sound clips all over my computer (error message says "and what would you do with a brain if you had one?"). My family even gave me an Oz mousepad last Christmas- Dorothy and the gang looking over the field of poppies to the Emerald City. Cool.
: Cheryl
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I've had a long affection for 'The Magical Monarch of Mo', also by Baum, which I discovered when I was about 18.
Hilary
Posted by Zimei on October 31, 1996 at 18:09:04:
November Mirabella has a feature article on Colin Firth. He
talked about how he plays Darcy and his new movie The English
Patient.
FoF site has the article, the link is provided below:
Link:
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Posted by genie on October 31, 1996 at 18:10:00:
: : : Apparently Firth ran off to Italy with another woman right after the P&P filming was over. Jennifer appeared to be hurt.
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: : I thought he met the Italian on the set of Nostromo, which was filmed in S.America.
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: Could be (seems like he likes to romance his costars). I thought I read that he sort of disappeared after the P&P filming, because they were noting that he didn't give any interviews, but maybe this was true because he went to South America instead of Italy. Anyway seems he hooked up with someone else rather quickly.
: Normally (at least in the U.S.) after completing such a major project the actors would go on a publicity tour, or at least do interviews with major newspapers & magazines.
: Maybe Firth isn't necessarily terribly interested in being a major star or he would've done the publicity.
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I,too, read that CF met the Italian woman on the set of Nostromo (she was the personal assistant of the director, I think.) But I also read that he flew back to England at one point to try to rekindle the flame with JE. As far as publicity goes, a lot of the promotional stuff was filmed during the shooting of P&P (according to the Making of...) and if CF had a prior committment to Nostromo, then it makes sense that he would go off and do that. I have read here and there at the FofF site that he is quite publicity-shy. Perhaps this could explain a few things anyway.
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Posted by Marsha on October 31, 1996 at 18:11:38:
: : Quite right all you various Anns. I love the way Austen leaves her work open for interpretation, too. Isn't it funny, though, how this particular adaptation struck so many of us as being right on -- just the way we think of it and just the way we fill in the gaps.
: : Is it some kind of collective subconsious thing?
: : Amy
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: Great discussion. I think the other wonderful thing is that this is the way life is. So often I would like to speak of something with a friend or relative but there are barriers to that conversation. JA catchs that feeling so well. It is wierd how right this adaptation is though. Maybe Davies was channeling JA.
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If Lizzy would have told Mrs Gardiner, there would have been no suspence (or at least, interest) for the rest, and also, I think Lizzy's thoughts are more effective since she takes a great delight in professing opinions which are not her own
Marsha
Posted by Zimei on October 31, 1996 at 18:14:05:
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: November Mirabella has a feature article on Colin Firth. He
: talked about how he plays Darcy and his new movie The English
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I meant "played" ... sorry.
: Patient.
: FoF site has the article, the link is provided below:
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Posted by Stefanie on October 31, 1996 at 18:19:33:
: : Are there any other books that are similar to JA's that are a real good read? Thanks, Sarah
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While it's not really the same, Jane Eyre is very good.
Stefanie
Posted by Marsha on October 31, 1996 at 18:29:12:
: .....And if that did not hold true, you could take comfort in the fact that your life expectancy at the time would be very short.
: : : Grace
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: : Happy thought, indeed!
: : Cheryl
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: I've been away from this BB for about a week or so and have missed the many posts.... especially about Mr. Collins! I have read that some think he overplayed the character, however, I think he played it perfectly! There was a thread before and we discussed all the Collin-isms. He just cracks me up. Everytime I watch P&P, which is ... okay, daily, I
: look for some new thing that he does that is so awkward and goofy! One new thing I noticed about him was when he was on his way to Longbourn to first meet his "fair cousins", he gets up on to the carriage and then the carriage takes off.
: And of course, who can forget when he descends from the carriage at Longbourn.
: What a gentleman!!!!
: Bea
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I think you could be a governess, or a servant, and I'd rather do that than to be married to someone like that, but maybe Charlotte knew how to reach nirvana, or had really great consentration skills (as for me, I'd rather marry Mr Hurst, ugh!)
Marsha
Posted by hat on October 31, 1996 at 18:42:00:
: : I too hope you had a good Christmas, and that your sons
: : didn't drive you nuts while you drove them to Michigan.
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: Thanks everybody. The kids liked it. Christmas in October does not work for me, but I had a good time helping my brother and sister in law with their computers. Tech talk has nearly replaced football watching in our generation of the family at holidays.
: Amy
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Amy, I'm glad you survived the Macarena and the Olympic theme! I know what its like because we do an annual Christmas trek to Adelaide where our families are. Its about a 14 hour drive, and every year we wonder if its worth it.
There is a strange thing happening here, which relates to your Christmas in October. Because our Christmas is hot and most people now have switched to having cold Christmas dinners, and because the season is so busy and commercialism so rampant, there is a worrying innovation of having a Christmas celebration (specially for work places) in the middle of the year. The trouble is that I can forsee it becoming a duplicate of the Christmas that everyone is trying to avoid.
Hilary
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Posted by Rebecca on October 31, 1996 at 18:47:31:
: But what does she really have to say to her Aunt?
: She wouldn't really want to go into all the sticky past history between her and Darcy, and all she could say would be "I think he's interested in me, but I'm not certain he'll ask me (again), and I'm not sure either whether I would accept him if he did ask".
: Mrs. Gardiner and she are both so aware of Darcy's interest in her, that any abstract discussion between them on Darcy's merits as a man couldn't be kept from turning into a discussion of Darcy's merits as a possible husband -- for Lizzy.
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Bingo! That is exactly right. I've always thought that their reluctance to talk about what concerned them was a realistic portrayal where the two people concerned are not sure they really want to exchange confidences at that level. You are right--the last thing Elizabeth wants to do is to even hint at the possible first proposal.
Rebecca
Posted by Anne on October 31, 1996 at 18:57:28:
: Has anyone seen the 1967 or the 1980 productions of P & P? Please tell me where I can get copies of the videos. I live and breathe P & P...
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I got my set of the 1980 (also known as 1985) version from
Critics' Choice Video: 800-367-7765
Order number for this is SKFOX003761 -- $24.95 (2 cassettes)
P&P2 order # SKANE015400 -- $74.77 (6 cassettes)
Mansfield Park #SKFOX005028 - $24.95 (2 cassettes)
Sense & Sensibility (Emma Thompson) SKRCA011593 $19.95
S&S (1986 BBC) SKFOX005027 - $24.95 (2 cassettes)
Persuasion (Amanda Root) SKRCA080073 - $19.95
Persuasion (BBC) SKFOX008394 - $22.77 (2 cassettes)
All of these prices are good til January 1. Shipping is $5.50 regardless of the number of videos ordered and tapes are shipped 2 day UPS.
Anne
Posted by Rebecca on October 31, 1996 at 18:59:09:
: As I've already said, I tend to dislike deviations from the text,
: even in P&P2. One such deviation that seems to me to detract
: rather than add to the plot is the changes to the tour through
: Pemberly. Mr Darcy senior's favorite room becomes Mrs Darcy's
: favorite room, and the minatures, including Darcy and Wickham,
: are moved in the stairwell.: Another minor fault with episode 4 is the poor state of the dry
: stone walls in the background as Darcy is galloping up to the
: pond - at least half has fallen down.
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I too found these irritating -- there is no reason for Wickham's minature to be there. LOL I always thought that those half-ruined stone walls really indicated that Darcy was not as good a proprietor as "his" people are trying to indicate. While in the book, Mrs. Reynolds does say that Darcy spends half his time in Pemberley--it certainly does not really seem so from what we know in the book for that year -- most of it was in London or with Bingley, nor is that impression really given in P&P2. He was sometimes not as careful about his property as he should be, I guess.
Rebecca
Posted by hat on October 31, 1996 at 19:04:17:
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: (Can you tell I have alot of time on my hands!!) Ann
Ann, thank you this wonderful list. The only trouble is that now I come back to have a second and better read through it, it has disappeared off my server! What has happened???? I thought maybe there would be a copy on the links page, but no luck there either.
Hilary
Posted by Anne on October 31, 1996 at 19:20:59:
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Did the Lucas family just assume
: they were engaged and tell Charlotte and Mr. Collins?
: I often wish I could see the scene where Lady C would tell
: Darcy about her conversation with Lizzy. I want to see his
: face when he hears how Lizzy responded to the interrogation.
: karen
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In the book Bingley and Darcy spend a lot of time with the Bennets after returning to Netherfield (rather than the one visit that the video shows). I believe that the Lucas family just assumed that this was leading somewhere - not that they were actually engaged. I believe Lady C heard of the assumption and jumped to a conclusion -- or Mr. Collins passed along the information in that manner.
Anne
Posted by Anne on October 31, 1996 at 19:23:21:
: Normally (at least in the U.S.) after completing such a major project the actors would go on a publicity tour, or at least do interviews with major newspapers & magazines.
: Maybe Firth isn't necessarily terribly interested in being a major star or he would've done the publicity.
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Though you don't see quite so many publicity tours for TV projects.
Anne
Posted by Raphael on October 31, 1996 at 19:25:39:
I won't digress too far from the path of the BB, do not fear.
Maria Edgeworth's 'Belinda', first published in 1801, is both an
interesting compliment and a starkly different slant on Jane
Austen's vision of Regency England. All the cliched drama of
novels missing from Austen -- indeed, which she purposefully
avoids inserting, even when they seem to drive the plot -- are,
much of them, present in Belinda. Two duels, a smattering of
melodramatic confessions unveiled on character's knees, and even
a slightly humorous mysterious boudoir, all pervade a novel
which Austen herself read, and which, I believe, liked. She even
refers to it in Northanger Abbey.
It's not -- certainly -- Austen. Nothing is. But it is very
interesting to read it and compare it with, for example, Pride
and Prejudice. Have any of you read it, and if so, what did you
think? Lastly, do any of you wish it were produced a la P&P2?
Cordially,
Raphael
Posted by hat on October 31, 1996 at 19:27:10:
: Another thing that I love about this scene is that after Darcy ask's Lizzy to meet his sister he gives her a wonderful look of longing.His look lasts longer than it's supposed until finally he looks away, it reminds him of his feelings for her and he just can't stand not having her.Ooooh the poor man is in love. :IF
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Its a great look, I agree, but I think instead that he is very anxious about how he is coming across to Lizzie at this point. He is searching her face because he is desperate to know if he is making a good impression, and a lot depends on her answer. Likewise, in another thread recently people said there was a release of tension in this scene, that they were finally relaxing with each other. I don't think that really happens until Lizzie gets in the coach and gives that wonderful backwards look of reassessment, or after. When she says yes to meeting Georgiana, you can see a hint of puzzlement cross her face - 'why do I deserve this from a man I've been so rude to, can he really still love me?'
Hilary
Posted by Amy on October 31, 1996 at 19:43:17:
there is a worrying innovation of having a Christmas celebration (specially for work places) in the middle of the year.
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No doubt a plot.
Posted by Tay on October 31, 1996 at 19:46:11:
To Everyone,
For awhile now, I have been gorging myself with these
wonderful messages! I must now speak up and proudly claim
to be a new member!
I am rather new at all this - P&P2 I mean. I had an aunt who
gushed over it when it came out on A&E, but since I don't have
cable, I didn't really know much about it. I had watched P&P0
(Did I get that right?), the one with Laurence Olivier, and was
disappointed with it.
But this P&P2 is absolutely incredible! I love every moment of
it, but especially, especially the part Darcy swims in the pond and
then sees Lizzie. It's so hilarious the way (in many scenes) that
he stares at her so intensely for half an hour, and when he finally
has the courage to go up to her and say something, it almost
always is "And how is your family?" Wasn't it so delightful when
he said that twice during the Pemberley encounter? I just couldn't
help burst out laughing! He's such a dear!
I am just dying to see "Making of P&P". Is there any video coming
out, does anyone know? I'm really excited about joining this gang,
and I have a question to the wonderful founder - Amy:
What is the correct web address for this P&P2 BB? Just in case
I use another computer, I still want to be able to gain access.
Currently, I hop from one link to another. Please write back. I'm
just bubbling with excitement! I just love P&P2, and have seen
it more than five times - excuse me, but I first watched it a few weeks
ago, so I'm still relatively new. I first saw my aunt's copy, and
watched it three times, and then just a few days ago, I got
my own copy. Since I'm in a busy large family, I haven't had much
time to watch it that much, but I'll catch up one day, I promise!
Love (especially to Amy for starting this!!), Tay.
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Posted by Amy on October 31, 1996 at 19:54:17:
Welcome Tay,
Break me off a piece of that Kit Kat bar will you? My kids will not give.
URL is:
http://bluemarble.net/~amyloo/wwwboard/ppbb.html
Awkward, I know. Been feeling the need for my own domain name. sotrue.com is available. What do you think?
Amy
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Posted by Grace on October 31, 1996 at 20:05:14:
: : : : : : : I have tried in vain,It will not do...
: : : : : : : I can visualize lying in bed on my wedding night when Mr.Collins, my husband walks in, a big smile across his face and
: : : : : : : NO NO NO NO I cannot go any furthur! since you could not be married without consumating the marriage I could not marry him. ooooo ick!!!!
: : : : : : : Mich
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: : : : : : : Mich, the lighting in those times would have been very poor.......is that any consolation to you?
: : : : : : Vision problems can prove a blessing at times. Grace
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: : : : : But the words he speaks, and the topics of (non)conversation/condescention, he being "quite enraptured" and all. Would earplugs be sufficient?
: : : : : : : Janet
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: : : : Ok, I've got it! A blindfold, ear plugs, a thick flannel nightgown left ON so I wouldn't have to touch him, lots of scented candles to remove the Mr. Collins smell (eeewww!!!), NO kissing, some good port (to dull any remaining senses not muted enough by the above) and a very, very imaginitive fantasy life and I just *may* be able to...NO! NO! I'm with Mich, I just can't...no amount of poultry is worth this!
: : : : Cheryl
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: : : Yeah, I think it would be a lot easier just to decline his proposal. No use living a very transparent lie.
: : : - K
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: : : Now, now, ladies, give Mr. Collins a chance. Sometimes the most unexpected people can prove marvelous lovers. He was known for his desire to please.
: : .....And if that did not hold true, you could take comfort in the fact that your life expectancy at the time would be very short.
: : Grace
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: Ladies, may I perhaps bring some reconcilliation of opinion here, and steer you away from such grim consolations as short life expectations, by recommending to you the advantages of Duck Tape (see another post). Although developed for sealing ducks beaks, this one product could perform all the functions that Cheryl, in particular, required,- ear-plugs, blindfolds and such, in one easy application. It is an equal opportunity product, being non gender specific, and could be used to equal effect in either party.
: Hilary
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: In other words: IF THERE BE ONLY A SLIGHT, THIN SORT OF INCLINATION........OH, THE EFFICACY OF DUCK TAPE IN GETTING YOUR LOVE TO STAY!
A perfect thought for this particular night of horrors.
HAPPY HALLOWEEN EVERYONE!
Grace
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