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Posted by Zimei on October 31, 1996 at 10:40:09:
: : : I was going to ask Amy by private email, but other late comers
: : : may also be interested - are the old messages from this site
: : : archived anywhere online?
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: : Anna,
: : Not online but I can send you some zipped files of almost all the messages. You might want them a bit at a time since we're over 4,000 messages now.
: : Anybody who wants some let me know.
: : Amy
: :
: : P.S. Welcome. Hope I am not a pariah over there.
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: I would like them too, Amy. I am just new here and most of the times just lurking. I enjoy almost every post. I'd appreciate it if you could send me anything about this board. I don't know how to give you my e-mail. Just new in internet also.
: Thank you very much.
: Sylvia
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Hi Amy, I would very much like a copy too! have you considered
setting it up for anonymous ftp, so you don't have to mail
everyone who has requested ? if this is a problem, I will
send you private email with another of my address with
faster email facility.
Thanks!
hopelessly addicted,
Zimei
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Posted by Zimei on October 31, 1996 at 10:52:03:
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: : Has anyone seen the 1967 or the 1980 productions of P & P? Please tell me where I can get copies of the videos. I live and breathe P & P...
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: Please tell what you know about these Rachel. I have heard only fragments of reports, none of which sound quite real.
: Amy
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Are you talking about the 1980 BBC production ? it is
available for rent in most of the decent size video stores.
I don't know much about the 1967 one, was it also a
TV production ? I know Susannah Harker's mother also
played Jane back in sixties, may well be in this 1967
production.
Zimei
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Posted by Amy on October 31, 1996 at 11:01:23:
: Hi Amy, I would very much like a copy too! have you considered
: setting it up for anonymous ftp, so you don't have to mail
: everyone who has requested ?
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I never dreamed there would be such a demand or I would have done something like that, and I would have been more conscientious about keeping posts. I am missing a few hundred here and there.
I guess I will ask my ISP how to do this and if it costs anything. Guess I better follow up with Jane Austen Books and see about getting some income related to this by putting their catalogue on line. But then I would definately have to go to a business account -- something I have always sworn I would do if ever I made a dime from this web stuff.
Amy
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Posted by Phyllis on October 31, 1996 at 11:14:59:
: Regarding Lizzy's change of heart re.: Darcy. The novel of course is superlative. P & P 1 addresses this issue rather carefully by the use of voice-over describing Lizzy's thoughts; P & P2, howvever, uses close-ups of her face and leaves us to surmise what is going on in her head. She is upset, when she reads Darcy's letter, at his 'insufferable presumption;' yet in the novel her emotions go from outrage to mortification as she gradually realizes the truth of Darcy's words. We do get this reaction somewhat in P & P 1; in P &P 2, we don't really get a complete sense of her conversion, though if the book has been carefully read, we can take the liberty of filling in the gaps.
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In P&P1, however, I believe she is shown to make the transition from outrage to mortification to affection too easily. I felt that the scene of Elizabeth sitting on the windowsill staring out, and saying" ...brother-in-law to Wickham? No that would never happen(or something like that), and he(Darcy) the perfect man for me. I could have softened, etc. I just didn't see the growth portrayed effectively for me.
Just a lurker's two cents. Phyllis
Posted by Janet on October 31, 1996 at 11:23:40:
: : Maybe this is why he's got such inner steel - he's had to "grow up" rather quickly for a young man in his class and position. No wonder he has trouble dealing with people in general - he really doen't "fit" in with most men of his age and class, nor is he comfortable with people "below" him. Gotta love him - he's got resolve!
: : - K
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: So...Darcy's *not* rude, arrogant, and obnoxious... he's just misunderstood! ;-)
: Cheryl
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It's all a(f)front - which he does resolve!
: Janet_________
Posted by Janet on October 31, 1996 at 11:27:13:
: : ... It seems like this shyness leads him to put up a proud outer shell which causes him to cut off his nose to spite his face at times (it seems like we just went through this, right Tommye?)...
: : ... Neither of them is in any way dissimulative, but I would have to say that it is Elizabeth who is the least personality-constrained (does that make sense?) of the two. As Darcy has trouble "being himself" in unfamiliar situations, Elizabeth never has any trouble mastering a situation (unless you count Pemberley, but even then she is more than civil).
: : : -K
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: : Gee, Kali. You KNEW I'd be reading this, didn't you. Yes, this does seem familiar.
: : As to neither Darcy nor Lizzy being "dissimulative," I must confess that, for the first time [honest], I was forced to go to Webster's Dictionary for this one. Lo, there it was: "dissimulate: to hide under a false appearance." I'm impressed.
: : Do you think Darcy is co-dependent? That comes to mind after your using the phrase, "personality-constrained".
: : By the way, I agree with all of the above!
: : (Your mini-essay, that is!)
: : Regards,
: : Tommye
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: Tommye, you're so cool! Codependence? Gee, maybe this one is on the same list as "analretentive"? (remember that from last week? ; ) Just kidding!). I don't know! Maybe so. He certainly likes to have other people around - who understand him (Bingley, Mrs. Reynolds, his sister) - to serve as his go-between with the general public. It kind of reminds me of the guys who buy dogs so they can meet chicks - it takes the pressure off getting to know people. Maybe not the most apt analogy, but I think it illustrates the point.
: Later,
: Kali
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What a puppy he is!
: Janet__________
Posted by Amy on October 31, 1996 at 11:47:31:
: Are you talking about the 1980 BBC production ? it is
: available for rent in most of the decent size video stores.
: I don't know much about the 1967 one, was it also a
: TV production ? I know Susannah Harker's mother also
: played Jane back in sixties, may well be in this 1967
: production.
: Zimei
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The 1980 adaptation you are talking about is the one with Garvey & Rintoul in the leads? Otherwise known as P&P1? This production is variously dated, according to when it was first shown in England, shown in the US, put on tape for sale, etc.
I suspect you are right about the '67 version being the one with Jane's mom. I have never heard of this being offered for sale, or talked or corresponded with anyone who has ever seen it. While I am sure it is not exactly a myth, I have to wonder if it has been preserved.
Amy
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Posted by Amy on October 31, 1996 at 11:50:53:
Quite right all you various Anns. I love the way Austen leaves her work open for interpretation, too. Isn't it funny, though, how this particular adaptation struck so many of us as being right on -- just the way we think of it and just the way we fill in the gaps.
Is it some kind of collective subconsious thing?
Amy
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Posted by Ann2 on October 31, 1996 at 11:53:26:
: :: It has one further claim on my interest - Gemma Jones is the mother of Emma Thompson, whom I admire and who maybe owes some of her talent to her mother
: : Ann2!?__________________
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: Actually Gemma Jones only plays her mother in S&S.
: Emma Thompson is the daughter of Phillida (sp?) Law, who is
: in "Emma" (Miramax), playing Mrs. Bates (watch her eating
: the artichoke at the dinner table, it's a hoot!). She is also
: in Branagh's "Much Ado About Nothing".
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My mistake, I have seen Much ado and must have got it there and then mingled the info with S&S.
Emma is not yet up in Sweden, but rest assured that I have a little gang waiting for the first opportunity to see it. We "always" do when Austen movies appear.
I quite enjoy the BBC Emma, though Mr K has got coats that seem too small for him His voice is great though, with that reproachful "EEmmAA!
The new one (forgot the name)looks gorgeous, almost too g..., no, we need some distraction from Darcy now and then I suppose.
Ann2
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Posted by Amy on October 31, 1996 at 12:03:23:
: I quite enjoy the BBC Emma, though Mr K has got coats that seem too small for him His voice is great though, with that reproachful "EEmmAA!
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I love his voice as well. I think I've mentioned before that it sounds to me a little like James Mason's voice, which cannot be far from perfect (sorry Burton and Firth). Voices affect me. Maybe that's why I write about radio.
Amy
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Posted by Janet on October 31, 1996 at 12:10:16:
: Regarding Lizzy's change of heart re.: Darcy. The novel of course is superlative. P & P 1 addresses this issue rather carefully by the use of voice-over describing Lizzy's thoughts; P & P2, howvever, uses close-ups of her face and leaves us to surmise what is going on in her head. She is upset, when she reads Darcy's letter, at his 'insufferable presumption;' yet in the novel her emotions go from outrage to mortification as she gradually realizes the truth of Darcy's words. We do get this reaction somewhat in P & P 1; in P &P 2, we don't really get a complete sense of her conversion, though if the book has been carefully read, we can take the liberty of filling in the gaps.
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Perhaps because we, the viewer (of P&P2), can see beyond Lizzy's first blush impression of Darcy, it was not necessary to dwell as much (as in the book) on her own internal change of heart vis a vis the letter.
In the video we see for ourselves her family's embarassing behaviour and felt the mortification which effected both Lizzy and Darcy's attitudes. We also see additional snippets of Darcy which portray some of his true inner self which are not included in the book. Then we see very soon after the letter how Lizzy's rejection inspired his transformation, with extra scenes to illustrate this change. It may have been less exciting to see her rereading the letter and finally coming to the same conclusions which are more quickly and visually demonstrated in the video. I, for one, prefer to see Darcy emerge from the swim with that puppy dog face of surprise upon seeing Lizzy, and her gasp of breath taken away.
: Janet
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Posted by Donna on October 31, 1996 at 12:16:30:
: : :: It has one further claim on my interest - Gemma Jones is the mother of Emma Thompson, whom I admire and who maybe owes some of her talent to her mother
: : : Ann2!?__________________
: :
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: : Actually Gemma Jones only plays her mother in S&S.
: : Emma Thompson is the daughter of Phillida (sp?) Law, who is
: : in "Emma" (Miramax), playing Mrs. Bates (watch her eating
: : the artichoke at the dinner table, it's a hoot!). She is also
: : in Branagh's "Much Ado About Nothing".
:
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:
: My mistake, I have seen Much ado and must have got it there and then mingled the info with S&S.
: Emma is not yet up in Sweden, but rest assured that I have a little gang waiting for the first opportunity to see it. We "always" do when Austen movies appear.
: I quite enjoy the BBC Emma, though Mr K has got coats that seem too small for him His voice is great though, with that reproachful "EEmmAA!
: The new one (forgot the name)looks gorgeous, almost too g..., no, we need some distraction from Darcy now and then I suppose.
: Ann2
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Ann2 you have me confused . A few questions
1. Do you mean the New Emma A&E that we will not see here {America}until 1997,I don't know the exact month.
2. Is this the first BBC. production in 19??. I didn't this
one.
3. The one with Jeremy Northam, you have not seen yet. I only saw it once. Its good but, I have nothing to compare it to.
Thanks Donna
P.S. Mr. Knightly is a welcome distraction,so is Jeremy Northam.
Posted by Janet on October 31, 1996 at 12:16:51:
: : Hi Amy, I would very much like a copy too! have you considered
: : setting it up for anonymous ftp, so you don't have to mail
: : everyone who has requested ?
: ______________
: I never dreamed there would be such a demand or I would have done something like that, and I would have been more conscientious about keeping posts. I am missing a few hundred here and there.
: I guess I will ask my ISP how to do this and if it costs anything. Guess I better follow up with Jane Austen Books and see about getting some income related to this by putting their catalogue on line. But then I would definately have to go to a business account -- something I have always sworn I would do if ever I made a dime from this web stuff.
:
: Amy
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Amy, it appears you are onto something here. When did you know - or were you in the middle before you knew you had begun? After all your endeavors, you deserve to reap some rewards. Thank you for all your efforts.
: Janet
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Posted by karen on October 31, 1996 at 12:26:24:
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: :
: : I agree, I don't think Darcy b/c of pride could tell anyone that he was rejected. Lady Catherine found out later that "her nephew" might be engaged to Miss Bennet. Who told her that? Mr. Collins, or did perhaps Darcy hint at it? I forget what gave Lady C the thought. Have to go back and re-read that section.
: : Bea
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: I assumed that Mr. Collins told her. He and Charlotte got the information from the Lucas family at the same time that they got word that Jane was engaged to Mr. B.
: Anne
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I haven't said anything in a while, but I've been thinking
about this very issue since re-watching my tapes on Sunday.
I know there existed a lengthy BB discussion about how Lady C would have learned of the engagement of Lizzy and Darcy,
but I'm still not clear. Did the Lucas family just assume
they were engaged and tell Charlotte and Mr. Collins?
I often wish I could see the scene where Lady C would tell
Darcy about her conversation with Lizzy. I want to see his
face when he hears how Lizzy responded to the interrogation.
karen
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Posted by Mich on October 31, 1996 at 12:29:02:
: Has anyone seen the 1967 or the 1980 productions of P & P? Please tell me where I can get copies of the videos. I live and breathe P & P...
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Here's what I've found. Video finder was the best resource.
BBC 1-800-216-1222
BBC Direct 1-212-705-9487 Fax 1-212-705-9344 PBS Cust Serv 1-800-531-4727
Signals 1-800-669-9691
1-800-669-5225
Video finder
1-800-343-4727
Mich
Posted by Mich on October 31, 1996 at 12:32:26:
: : Are you talking about the 1980 BBC production ? it is
: : available for rent in most of the decent size video stores.
: : I don't know much about the 1967 one, was it also a
: : TV production ? I know Susannah Harker's mother also
: : played Jane back in sixties, may well be in this 1967
: : production.
: : Zimei
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:
: The 1980 adaptation you are talking about is the one with Garvey & Rintoul in the leads? Otherwise known as P&P1? This production is variously dated, according to when it was first shown in England, shown in the US, put on tape for sale, etc.
: I suspect you are right about the '67 version being the one with Jane's mom. I have never heard of this being offered for sale, or talked or corresponded with anyone who has ever seen it. While I am sure it is not exactly a myth, I have to wonder if it has been preserved.
: Amy
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It would be wonderful to have yet another P&P.
If anyone find it pls let me know
Mich
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Posted by Cheryl on October 31, 1996 at 12:47:04:
How does one pronounce Ciaran? Looks wonderful, but can't quite get my mouth around it without having it come out like "Karen".
Cheryl
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Posted by Ann2 on October 31, 1996 at 12:47:48:
: : I quite enjoy the BBC Emma, though Mr K has got coats that seem too small for him His voice is great though, with that reproachful "EEmmAA!
: ___________________
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: I love his voice as well. I think I've mentioned before that it sounds to me a little like James Mason's voice, which cannot be far from perfect (sorry Burton and Firth). Voices affect me. Maybe that's why I write about radio.
: Amy
James Mason, ooaah (like in The scent of a Woman) he´s been one special addiction of mine for as long as I can remember. I have this voice fixation... Years ago, we had a foreign affairs minister in Sweden,
not a man whose principles I agreed with, but his voice ! I used to listen to him even when he uttered horrid conservative opinions.
Do not think I would have married him though...
Ann2_________________
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Posted by Amy on October 31, 1996 at 12:52:23:
: James Mason, ooaah (like in The scent of a Woman)
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Now, Pacino's voice has something too. Don't you think? What is it?
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Posted by Lyn on October 31, 1996 at 12:56:48:
: How does one pronounce Ciaran? Looks wonderful, but can't quite get my mouth around it without having it come out like "Karen".
: Cheryl
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: Its pronounced Keeran. Its Irish, he was was born in Ireland.
:Lyn
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