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Posted by Amy on October 30, 1996 at 23:57:48:
: I was going to ask Amy by private email, but other late comers
: may also be interested - are the old messages from this site
: archived anywhere online?
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Anna,
Not online but I can send you some zipped files of almost all the messages. You might want them a bit at a time since we're over 4,000 messages now.
Anybody who wants some let me know.
Amy
P.S. Welcome. Hope I am not a pariah over there.
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Posted by Ann on October 31, 1996 at 00:03:55:
: I'm not on the Firthlist either. But something I saw on FoF a while back were several of the news or magazine articles which said CF had a rather nondescript face. I thought that was odd.
: Hilary
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I actually agree with the non-descript description. After
becoming a P&P2 addict I had myself a CF film festival. Part
of the reason I felt I needed to do this was that I had seen
many of his films, but could not recognise him from one to
the next. The sideburns in P&P, the haircut in Month in the
Country, the facial hair in Circle of Friends, and his youth
in Valmont all made it hard for me to recognise him. Now
however I have no trouble at all ;-).
Ann
Posted by Ann on October 31, 1996 at 00:15:40:
:: It has one further claim on my interest - Gemma Jones is the mother of Emma Thompson, whom I admire and who maybe owes some of her talent to her mother
: Ann2!?__________________
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Actually Gemma Jones only plays her mother in S&S.
Emma Thompson is the daughter of Phillida (sp?) Law, who is
in "Emma" (Miramax), playing Mrs. Bates (watch her eating
the artichoke at the dinner table, it's a hoot!). She is also
in Branagh's "Much Ado About Nothing".
Posted by Sylvia on October 31, 1996 at 00:20:04:
: : I was going to ask Amy by private email, but other late comers
: : may also be interested - are the old messages from this site
: : archived anywhere online?
: _______________
:
: Anna,
: Not online but I can send you some zipped files of almost all the messages. You might want them a bit at a time since we're over 4,000 messages now.
: Anybody who wants some let me know.
: Amy
:
: P.S. Welcome. Hope I am not a pariah over there.
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I would like them too, Amy. I am just new here and most of the times just lurking. I enjoy almost every post. I'd appreciate it if you could send me anything about this board. I don't know how to give you my e-mail. Just new in internet also.
Thank you very much.
Sylvia
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Posted by Anna on October 31, 1996 at 01:00:44:
: : : are the old messages from this site archived anywhere : : : online?
: : _______________
: :
: : Not online but I can send you some zipped files of : : almost all the messages. You might want them a bit at a : :time since we're over 4,000 messages now.
: : Anybody who wants some let me know.
: : Amy
: :
: : P.S. Welcome. Hope I am not a pariah over there.
:
Amy,
by no means are you a pariah. The heavies continue in their impressive ivory towers( with little sign that they notice the hoi polloi), and the rest of us trundle along happily as usual. However very little is discussed except Emma at the moment - interesting but insufficient for a founding member of the AustenL branch of the P&P2 support group.
With regard to the archives, I would love it if you could email me the files at
aprice@mail.newcastle.edu.au
I'm quite happy to receive them all at once, especially if you have them as a group - I have a large hard disc and a fast email connection. Please send them in the way most convenient to you - I appreciate your taking the time and trouble,
TIA
Anna.
Posted by hat on October 31, 1996 at 01:05:05:
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: : : Really? (Wasn't there a Clint Eastwood film with a similar title??)
Sorry. A failed attempt at humor. Paint Your Wagon was a sadly miscast movie from a good stage musical. Imagine Clint Eastwood singing. And Jean Sea(e?)burg, bless her memory. Lee Marvin singing. Now that was inspired. He got away with it much like Rex Harrison did.
: I don't have a clue as to your movie, but in recompense here is the Ciaran Hinds link. Me? I like him. He smolders.
: Amy
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Nice to have you back, Amy. I like the new dashing 'P&P'.
I had a feeling you weren't serious but at six in the morning I couldn't be sure! And after 2 gruelling days relief teaching I'm not in much better shape now. I never saw 'Paint your Wagon', but I remember the tuneless song alright. Thanks for the Hinds link. I like him too. The thing that really interested me when I took a glance at the link was that he is in 'Oskar and Lucinda'. Does anyone else know this book? Its brilliant! By Peter Carey (an Aussie now resident in NY). Won the Booker prize some years back. The film is directed by Gillian Armstrong ('The Piano??) and also stars Fiennes and Barry Otto (who was in 'Bliss', another adaptation of a Carey novel, my favourite) Looks like one to look out for.
Hilary
Posted by Anna on October 31, 1996 at 01:17:56:
I came across a passing reference to how Lizzy's change of
heart about Darcy was portrayed in the novel and in P&P2.
I missed the original discussion, so forgive me if I'm
repeating points that others have already made.
I agree that P&P2 doesn't show Lizzy's changing feelings
as well as the novel, and at first I was disappointed with
this. However, when I compared the book and P&P2 I can't
see that they could have done any better, given the
limitations of the medium. Most of Lizzy's change of heart
is shown in her thinking only - she doesn't even tell Jane
until Darcy and she are engaged. P&P2 avoided the
voiceovers that P&P1 used, and they showed most if not all
the dialogue that Austen gave us.
There are after all limits to even the best acting,
Anna.
Posted by Cheryl on October 31, 1996 at 08:07:56:
: Maybe this is why he's got such inner steel - he's had to "grow up" rather quickly for a young man in his class and position. No wonder he has trouble dealing with people in general - he really doen't "fit" in with most men of his age and class, nor is he comfortable with people "below" him. Gotta love him - he's got resolve!
: - K
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So...Darcy's *not* rude, arrogant, and obnoxious... he's just misunderstood! ;-)
Cheryl
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Posted by Anne on October 31, 1996 at 08:23:16:
I can send you some zipped files of almost all the messages.
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An FYI for anyone needing ZIP/UNZIP software. You can use a web browser to find pkzip and download it. Just make sure that you do not download pkzip 3.x. This version is a virus . I believe that I found 2.04 available on the net.
Anne
Posted by Cheryl on October 31, 1996 at 08:36:53:
:
Oh dear, Amy, you have inadvertantly hit upon another of my obsessions! I have Oz sound clips all over my computer (error message says "and what would you do with a brain if you had one?"). My family even gave me an Oz mousepad last Christmas- Dorothy and the gang looking over the field of poppies to the Emerald City. Cool.
Cheryl
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Posted by Anne on October 31, 1996 at 08:39:07:
: I don't think that Darcy told anyone that Lizzy had refused him. I always figured that he would be too proud, or reserved, to tell anyone, even his close friend/cousin, that he had actually been rejected. I always thought that after Lizzy rejected him, it became one of his greatest secrets and goals in order to win her over.
: Stefanie
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As he says in the letter (in the book):
... by dwelling on wishes, which, for the happiness of both, cannot be too soon forgotten..
Posted by Anne on October 31, 1996 at 08:41:50:
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: I agree, I don't think Darcy b/c of pride could tell anyone that he was rejected. Lady Catherine found out later that "her nephew" might be engaged to Miss Bennet. Who told her that? Mr. Collins, or did perhaps Darcy hint at it? I forget what gave Lady C the thought. Have to go back and re-read that section.
: Bea
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I assumed that Mr. Collins told her. He and Charlotte got the information from the Lucas family at the same time that they got word that Jane was engaged to Mr. B.
Anne
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Posted by Amy on October 31, 1996 at 08:51:41:
you have inadvertantly hit upon another of my obsessions! ___________________
Another link. This is mystifying. I really must put that addiction page together. We have so much material:
- Signs of addiction
- The beginning of the steps
- Related and ancillary obsessions
- Myers Briggs scores (for those of you who missed that phase we were going through, we tend to be off-the-chart Ns)
- The classic confessions
Amy
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Posted by Anne on October 31, 1996 at 08:54:49:
: A-list seems to be very descriptive in their candor. We are more subtle. Which I think is more fun.
: Thanks Donna
:
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And more JA like. (I wonder if those proper ladies in her time let their minds entertain all of our dirty little thoughts under all of that genteel exterior? Probably not, oh well.)
Anne
Posted by Cheryl on October 31, 1996 at 09:18:31:
:
: you have inadvertantly hit upon another of my obsessions! ___________________
: Another link. This is mystifying. I really must put that addiction page together. We have so much material:
: - Signs of addiction
: - The beginning of the steps
: - Related and ancillary obsessions
: - Myers Briggs scores (for those of you who missed that phase we were going through, we tend to be off-the-chart Ns)
: - The classic confessions
: Amy
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I wasn't here when you did the Myers-Briggs scores (although I remember the discussion on Austen-L). I took the test a few years ago and came out an ENFP. Does that surprise anyone?
Cheryl
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Posted by Rachel on October 31, 1996 at 09:49:19:
Regarding Lizzy's change of heart re.: Darcy. The novel of course is superlative. P & P 1 addresses this issue rather carefully by the use of voice-over describing Lizzy's thoughts; P & P2, howvever, uses close-ups of her face and leaves us to surmise what is going on in her head. She is upset, when she reads Darcy's letter, at his 'insufferable presumption;' yet in the novel her emotions go from outrage to mortification as she gradually realizes the truth of Darcy's words. We do get this reaction somewhat in P & P 1; in P &P 2, we don't really get a complete sense of her conversion, though if the book has been carefully read, we can take the liberty of filling in the gaps.
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Posted by Grace on October 31, 1996 at 09:49:31:
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: : : : Really? (Wasn't there a Clint Eastwood film with a similar title??)
:
: Sorry. A failed attempt at humor. Paint Your Wagon was a sadly miscast movie from a good stage musical. Imagine Clint Eastwood singing. And Jean Sea(e?)burg, bless her memory. Lee Marvin singing. Now that was inspired. He got away with it much like Rex Harrison did.
: : I don't have a clue as to your movie, but in recompense here is the Ciaran Hinds link. Me? I like him. He smolders.
: : Amy
:
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: Nice to have you back, Amy. I like the new dashing 'P&P'.
: I had a feeling you weren't serious but at six in the morning I couldn't be sure! And after 2 gruelling days relief teaching I'm not in much better shape now. I never saw 'Paint your Wagon', but I remember the tuneless song alright. Thanks for the Hinds link. I like him too. The thing that really interested me when I took a glance at the link was that he is in 'Oskar and Lucinda'. Does anyone else know this book? Its brilliant! By Peter Carey (an Aussie now resident in NY). Won the Booker prize some years back. The film is directed by Gillian Armstrong ('The Piano??) and also stars Fiennes and Barry Otto (who was in 'Bliss', another adaptation of a Carey novel, my favourite) Looks like one to look out for.
: Hilary
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: I don't know either 'Oskar and Lucinda' or 'Bliss' - will try to get the books this week (thanks!).
Wonder if the films are generally available. Gillian Armstrong did such a wonderful job with 'Little Women', I can't imagine any film of hers being less than gorgeous.
Grace
P.S. Substitute teaching is hell. Years ago, I thought I wanted to be a high school math teacher, inspiring young minds,etc. One week with a ninth-grade algebra group quickly killed that ambition.
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Posted by Ann2 on October 31, 1996 at 09:53:10:
: : : : Why does she tease us? It's almost like she is saying "Lizzy wants to talk, her aunt does too. You want to know too don't you but I am not going to tell."
: : : : Or was she afraid of disappointing and thought some things better left unsaid?
: : : : Amy
: : :
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: An alternative view of this "teasing" is that Jane Austen is involving the reader in a more active way than if she wrote the dialogue for us. Sometimes there is not much that can be said really, and leaving it to our imagination allows each of us to our own view of perfection.(... )
: I like Austen's way of leaving it to our imagination.
: Anna.
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Anna, you took the words from my mouth (or how you put it in English). Is not this style of
cautious writing exactly what make the Austen novels so rich. You are never finished, every time you reread a couple of chapters there is a new possibility. Why did she say...? What did he mean...? Where were they to...? How could he...? This Chinese box containing new little boxes in a hopefully neverending succession is what enables us all to find fresh threads to follow in a lot of directions. Why this board is one solid proof of it!
This said by my "Ellinor half" I canīt help understanding those romantic Mariannes, who would not mind exposing themselves to ridicule if that would bring them some more lines from Jane Aīs hand on every intriguing matter.
Ann2
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Posted by Rachel on October 31, 1996 at 09:53:28:
Has anyone seen the 1967 or the 1980 productions of P & P? Please tell me where I can get copies of the videos. I live and breathe P & P...
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Posted by Amy on October 31, 1996 at 10:06:14:
: Has anyone seen the 1967 or the 1980 productions of P & P? Please tell me where I can get copies of the videos. I live and breathe P & P...
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Please tell what you know about these Rachel. I have heard only fragments of reports, none of which sound quite real.
Amy
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