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Posted by Donna on October 30, 1996 at 14:06:09:
: As to Darcy's shirt, that is the type he always wears apparently. You are right Joan, too, that it is the same in the swim and also when he has finished his letter at Rosings and is splashing his face with water. I guess that is all he had for "casual" wear.
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: I just got this image of a Regency "Gap" with nothing but white shirts and beige dresses.
: Mary H
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The writing is very pink.Knocks your eyes out.
Donna
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Posted by Bernie on October 30, 1996 at 14:15:45:
: : As to Darcy's shirt, that is the type he always wears apparently. You are right Joan, too, that it is the same in the swim and also when he has finished his letter at Rosings and is splashing his face with water. I guess that is all he had for "casual" wear.
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: The writing is very pink.Knocks your eyes out.
: Donna
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I think someone has been playing with the Editor!
Bernie
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Posted by Mari on October 30, 1996 at 14:30:15:
: : Mr. Darcy totally wins my respect! Even more than the strong female
: : lead, he is not afraid to be who he is, regardless of what anyone thinks
: : of him. He makes no apologies for who and what he is, and I think
: : we can all learn from this character!
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: I agree that Darcy has a strong and well-founded inner pride. He is a very good man, driven by deep-seeded moral beliefs, and he knows who he is. However, it seems that he is also rather shy when "out of his element," so to speak. It seems like this shyness leads him to put up a proud outer shell which causes him to cut off his nose to spite his face at times (it seems like we just went through this, right Tommye?). Unfortunately, it is this pride that serves to shield his true good nature from many who don't really know him. In other words, sometimes he overcompensates for his shyness by putting on an act which does not reflect his true self. Neither of them is in any way dissimulative, but I would have to say that it is Elizabeth who is the least personality-constrained (does that make sense?) of the two. As Darcy has trouble "being himself" in unfamiliar situations, Elizabeth never has any trouble mastering a situation (unless you count Pemberley, but even then she is more than civil).
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: I watched (again, of course) the scene where Wickham comes to Pemberly for his 3,000 Lb payoff in exchange for giving up the living, and it struck me that here was Darcy, 22 or 23 years old at the most, his mother has been dead for some time, his father has just died, and he now has to assume the management of the entire Pemberly estate. This is the time of life when a young wealthy man, who had just finished university, would be living a life of leisure, and perhaps starting to learn about what goes into running such a vast estate. This would have been when he would have spent a great deal of time in society, and learnt how to move with ease there. I think the early death of his father must have caused him to miss out on this, and account for some of his lack of ease in these situations. His *time would have been better spent* tending to the estate, but in this case we do notice the lack of *practice*.
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Posted by Donna on October 30, 1996 at 14:51:36:
: : : Mr. Darcy totally wins my respect! Even more than the strong female
: : : lead, he is not afraid to be who he is, regardless of what anyone thinks
: : : of him. He makes no apologies for who and what he is, and I think
: : : we can all learn from this character!
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: : I agree that Darcy has a strong and well-founded inner pride. He is a very good man, driven by deep-seeded moral beliefs, and he knows who he is. However, it seems that he is also rather shy when "out of his element," so to speak. It seems like this shyness leads him to put up a proud outer shell which causes him to cut off his nose to spite his face at times (it seems like we just went through this, right Tommye?). Unfortunately, it is this pride that serves to shield his true good nature from many who don't really know him. In other words, sometimes he overcompensates for his shyness by putting on an act which does not reflect his true self. Neither of them is in any way dissimulative, but I would have to say that it is Elizabeth who is the least personality-constrained (does that make sense?) of the two. As Darcy has trouble "being himself" in unfamiliar situations, Elizabeth never has any trouble mastering a situation (unless you count Pemberley, but even then she is more than civil).
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: : I watched (again, of course) the scene where Wickham comes to Pemberly for his 3,000 Lb payoff in exchange for giving up the living, and it struck me that here was Darcy, 22 or 23 years old at the most, his mother has been dead for some time, his father has just died, and he now has to assume the management of the entire Pemberly estate. This is the time of life when a young wealthy man, who had just finished university, would be living a life of leisure, and perhaps starting to learn about what goes into running such a vast estate. This would have been when he would have spent a great deal of time in society, and learnt how to move with ease there. I think the early death of his father must have caused him to miss out on this, and account for some of his lack of ease in these situations. His *time would have been better spent* tending to the estate, but in this case we do notice the lack of *practice*.
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Your right I think he missed his father very much. He shared guardianship with Col. Fitzwillams, but still many things can go wrong on such a big estate. {the pigs could get into the garden I couldn't resist} Really he became very over protected of GD,after Wickham. He question everything he did after that and became stoic in his thoughts. Pleasures were not to be seen.
ciao Donna
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Posted by Amy on October 30, 1996 at 14:55:56:
: : : The Pemberley gown is the same one she wore for the Meryton
: : : assembly; which means it is the first dress he ever saw her
: : : in.
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: Yes, the camera does accent the obvious. I can't say what I
: really think for you all would be to harsh on me.
: ciao Donna
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Donna, my dear. Whatever do you mean? All I meant was "how sweet that he falls for her while wearing the dress he first saw her in." Are you referring to Ehle's endowment? Certainly that seems to play a role in becoming a male P&P addict (and a thing I have ignored when our male visitors mention it, since the subject could so easily get out of hand). I hope Darcy would find sufficient merit in her other charms and see her figure as a bonus.
Amy
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Posted by hat on October 30, 1996 at 15:02:56:
: : 'presence', and a wonderfully rich
: : : sounding voice.
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: : I totally agree with you about the voice.
: : But Firth is much better looking!!
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Anyone else out there think that Firth is one of those rare men who actually seem to improve with age? I think his face looks better now than when he was younger. (The Sean Connery phenomenon).
: But will he keep his hair???????
: Grace
: P.S. I'm not on the Firthlist, but I'm sure these points have been reviewed for weeks there.
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Certainly he's doing alright so far, Grace. But in 'Another Country' where he is so young, probably little over 20, there were just a couple of times where he looks youthfully beautiful in a classical sense. There is one moment which takes my breathe away where he is joining his friend in some analogy about a deer.
Be nice if the Sean Connery principal applied. But here's a thought - maybe with actors in your own (or nearly your own!- say 10 years either way!) generation, one ages gracefully together. Once my mother got annoyed with me for laughing at her liking for Gregory Peck when he was quite old. She said that I hadn't seen him as a young man. Of course when I did see old films I saw she was right.
I'm not on the Firthlist either. But something I saw on FoF a while back were several of the news or magazine articles which said CF had a rather nondescript face. I thought that was odd.
Hilary
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Posted by Amy on October 30, 1996 at 15:48:48:
Why does she tease us? It's almost like she is saying "Lizzy wants to talk, her aunt does too. You want to know too don't you but I am not going to tell."
Or was she afraid of disappointing and thought some things better left unsaid?
Amy
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Posted by Donna on October 30, 1996 at 15:50:50:
: : : I was watching PP2 on video (again) and
: : : thought that Colin Firth has a look
: : : and sound of Richard Burton about him.
: : : They both have a compelling gaze and
: : : 'presence', and a wonderfully rich
: : : sounding voice.
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: : I totally agree with you about the voice. I also thought Firth sounded just like Burton. (Burton was Welsh--is Firth?)
: : But Firth is much better looking!!
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: : I share these opinions (let's just hope Firth doesn't share Burton's fate... but then,now that I think of it, he did get involved with a Liz, didn't he?)
: Anyone else out there think that Firth is one of those rare men who actually seem to improve with age? I think his face looks better now than when he was younger. (The Sean Connery phenomenon).
: But will he keep his hair???????
: Grace
: P.S. I'm not on the Firthlist, but I'm sure these points have been reviewed for weeks there.
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I think he likes his hair,he would get a hair transplant.
So, if he went bald he could grow a mustache and a beard.
yucky
ciao Donna
Posted by Donna on October 30, 1996 at 15:54:40:
: Why does she tease us? It's almost like she is saying "Lizzy wants to talk, her aunt does too. You want to know too don't you but I am not going to tell."
: Or was she afraid of disappointing and thought some things better left unsaid?
: Amy
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I agree
JA teasing teasing woman. She does it all the time.
ciao Donna
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Posted by Kelley on October 30, 1996 at 16:16:12:
: I am a avid lurker(?) of this bb and a very seldom poster to it, but I have been here almost from the start, and find that I cannot go many days without checking in.
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: Terese,
: Thanks for letting us know you are there. Any other lurkers who care to just pop their heads out from behind the fern and say you are among us? We would like to know, but if you don't care to that's okay too.
: Amy
I visit the P&P bb all the time (but rarely post), but not as much as I wish. As a college student, I should be studying. However, I use this bb as a study break. Just wanted to acknowledge my passion for P&P!
Kelley
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Posted by Donna on October 30, 1996 at 16:21:43:
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: : : : The Pemberley gown is the same one she wore for the Meryton
: : : : assembly; which means it is the first dress he ever saw her
: : : : in.
: : : : Ann
: : : ___________________
: : :
: : : Ohhhhh.... hmmmmm
: :
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: : Yes, the camera does accent the obvious. I can't say what I
: : really think for you all would be to harsh on me.
: : ciao Donna
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: Donna, my dear. Whatever do you mean? All I meant was "how sweet that he falls for her while wearing the dress he first saw her in." Are you referring to Ehle's endowment? Certainly that seems to play a role in becoming a male P&P addict (and a thing I have ignored when our male visitors mention it, since the subject could so easily get out of hand). I hope Darcy would find sufficient merit in her other charms and see her figure as a bonus.
: Amy
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Amy, did you happen to read someones opinion of Mr. Knightly on the A-list I was truely amazed. Some of it is true but for the rest I have my doubts. I never saw him that way.
ciao Donna
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Posted by Amy on October 30, 1996 at 16:53:13:
: Amy, did you happen to read someones opinion of Mr. Knightly on the A-list I was truely amazed. Some of it is true but for the rest I have my doubts. I never saw him that way.
: ciao Donna
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I must have missed it. Pray write and tell. Whatever is the connection to this thread? I am most curious for Mr Knightley has long been my favorite Austen hero. I should not wish to have my opinion of him tarnished -- but beg you to relate the whole of the history without regard to how it may color my opinion of him.
Amy
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Posted by Myretta on October 30, 1996 at 16:59:50:
: I am a avid lurker(?) of this bb and a very seldom poster to it, but I have been here almost from the start, and find that I cannot go many days without checking in.
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: Terese,
: Thanks for letting us know you are there. Any other lurkers who care to just pop their heads out from behind the fern and say you are among us? We would like to know, but if you don't care to that's okay too.
: Amy
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As you may have seen above, I did pop my head up to talk about buying books (one of my other obsessions) in response to some other posts about where to find information. It's taken me a while to arrive, but I am beginning to feel I know you. Thanks.
Myretta
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Posted by Grace on October 30, 1996 at 17:35:20:
: Hinds playing one of two Irish brothers who share a mistress.
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: I think it is called "Paint Your Wagon, Will Ya?"
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: Really? (Wasn't there a Clint Eastwood film with a similar title??)
I missed much of the film, only stuck with it because of Hinds. Dark and interesting, both Hinds and the film. Thanks, Grace
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Posted by AMy on October 30, 1996 at 17:57:09:
Nice to know you are around, Kelley, Myretta and Terese. I ought to remember to ask more often. I keep threatening to expand into sound. Maybe I ought to periodically put up a sound clip from the Wizard of Oz. You know, when Glinda sings, "Come out, come out, wherever you are."
When I was I kid I thought Glinda was pretty darned ugly. I guess the late thirties hair and make-up were a bit too recent to be considered attractive -- even to a four-year-old -- in 1959. Something is missing from the Wizard of Oz now, though, don't you think? Now that kids can see it on video anytime they like, instead of once a year on TV, it loses the aura of an event.
Link:
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Posted by Amy on October 30, 1996 at 18:09:10:
: : Hinds playing one of two Irish brothers who share a mistress.
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: : I think it is called "Paint Your Wagon, Will Ya?"
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: : Really? (Wasn't there a Clint Eastwood film with a similar title??)
: I missed much of the film, only stuck with it because of Hinds. Dark and interesting, both Hinds and the film. Thanks, Grace
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Sorry. A failed attempt at humor. Paint Your Wagon was a sadly miscast movie from a good stage musical. Imagine Clint Eastwood singing. And Jean Sea(e?)burg, bless her memory. Lee Marvin singing. Now that was inspired. He got away with it much like Rex Harrison did.
I don't have a clue as to your movie, but in recompense here is the Ciaran Hinds link. Me? I like him. He smolders.
Amy
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Posted by Sylvia on October 30, 1996 at 18:18:08:
: : I am a avid lurker(?) of this bb and a very seldom poster to it, but I have been here almost from the start, and find that I cannot go many days without checking in.
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: : Terese,
: : Thanks for letting us know you are there. Any other lurkers who care to just pop their heads out from behind the fern and say you are among us? We would like to know, but if you don't care to that's okay too.
: : Amy
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: As you may have seen above, I did pop my head up to talk about buying books (one of my other obsessions) in response to some other posts about where to find information. It's taken me a while to arrive, but I am beginning to feel I know you. Thanks.
: Myretta
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I'm a happy lurker too. Never miss a day.
Thanks.
Sylvia
Posted by Paula on October 30, 1996 at 18:47:49:
: I've seen "Friends of Firth" and "Firth FAQ."
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Yesterday I was amazed to read on the Firth page that he and Jennifer were real-life lovers on the P&P2 set!! Did you read this also and what do you think of it?
I had two reactions: One was a laugh -- No wonder she was smiling all the time in the film!
The second was sadness. It sounds like it all ended pretty badly when Firth took off with his Italian girlfriend and Jennifer refused to speak about it. Oh dear. I think I far prefer the Jane Austen ending....
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