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Posted by Kali on October 30, 1996 at 03:05:04:
: : : : I have tried in vain,It will not do...
: : : : I can visualize lying in bed on my wedding night when Mr.Collins, my husband walks in, a big smile across his face and
: : : : NO NO NO NO I cannot go any furthur! since you could not be married without consumating the marriage I could not marry him. ooooo ick!!!!
: : : : Mich
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: : : : Mich, the lighting in those times would have been very poor.......is that any consolation to you?
: : : Vision problems can prove a blessing at times. Grace
: : _________
: : But the words he speaks, and the topics of (non)conversation/condescention, he being "quite enraptured" and all. Would earplugs be sufficient?
: : : : Janet
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: Ok, I've got it! A blindfold, ear plugs, a thick flannel nightgown left ON so I wouldn't have to touch him, lots of scented candles to remove the Mr. Collins smell (eeewww!!!), NO kissing, some good port (to dull any remaining senses not muted enough by the above) and a very, very imaginitive fantasy life and I just *may* be able to...NO! NO! I'm with Mich, I just can't...no amount of poultry is worth this!
: Cheryl
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Yeah, I think it would be a lot easier just to decline his proposal. No use living a very transparent lie.
- K
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Posted by Kali on October 30, 1996 at 03:06:52:
: I've seen "Friends of Firth" and "Firth FAQ." Where is there more information about Jennifer Ehle?
: Sidnee
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Thank you, Sidnee! I'd love to learn more about JE! Somebody help us!
- K
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Posted by Sylvia on October 30, 1996 at 03:19:07:
: :
: : : : of that wonderful movie! Are there any other books that are similar to JA's that are a real good read? I just finished A Long Fatal Love Chase so I am looking for another adventure! Thanks, Sarah
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: : : : Georgett Heyer is pretty good for that time period, & is very funny- she has some comedies ans some adventures, and she wrote a LOT- so it will occupy a considerable time!
: : : : Marsha (a first-year Cornell student)
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: : : : Start with Heyer's Arabella. The hero, Mr. Beaumaris is definitely a Darcy wannabee.
: : : Don't miss The Scarlet Pimpernel for adventure and restrained passion. (I think we should begin a campaign to get this remade with Colin Firth in the lead.... and no Jane Seymour,PLEASE).
: : : Presumption and The Third Sister (Barrett)are okay in the sequel department, harmless enough and entertaining.
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: : Great minds must truly think alike! After viewing and reviewing P&P, I got to thinking how wonderful Cf would be in the Scarlet Pimpernel. I gort the book, read it about ten times, rented the original movie with Leslie Howard & Merle Oberon (surprisingly good but not always faithful to the book) and started to write a screenplay more in keeping with the suspense and issues in the book. Just a bit more of my CF and indirectly P&P obsession. I, too, read the Emma Tennant books and found them in accurate and generally dreadful. Julia Barret was somewhat less dreadful. I thought "if they can get this rubbish published, why can't I write something?" Not a sequel, mind you, just some ruminations.. mostly about what happens to Darcy in those months between Rosings and Pemberley. I have about fifteen pages written, which wasn't so difficult, given my obsession with the book and telecast. (I began to speak "Austenese" many months ago.)
: : One related book, which I found helpful in explaining some social questions of the time, is "What Jane Austen Ate and Charles Dickens Knew" by Pool. It is not a stuffy, scholarly work, but well-researched and easy to read. Great reference for 19th century Brit-Lit.
: : One thing I learned from this book was the reason for the high rank Darcy enjoyed. Lady Catherine says somewhere in P&P novel that he was "from an ancient, though untitled, family.." His first name Fitzwilliam (from the French fils or son) as well as his last (d'Arcy) are from the French. Families that could trace their ancestry back to the Normans, even without titles, were considered superior, it seems, to other nobility, and perhaps, Anglo Saxons. In fact, in JA many of her heroes have names that are basically French, while the villians usually do not. (My own observation)
: : Anyway, I have digressed here a great deal. Perhaps this is not the correct place to post a message, but I had such a hard time figuring out what to do, that I thought I should say everything in one place rather than risk screwing up somewhere. (I am not very technically endowed.)
: : BTW, I love reading everyone's comments, many of which reflect my own questions, thoughts, and feelings.
: : Hasta luego. genie
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: Genie this is a suggestion maybe you should write from Mr. Darcy's point of view. Not just what happens to him between Rosings and Pemberly but even his view of Lizzie from the very beginning. Maybe I am wrong but could that be a possibilty or would that be boring.It is a fact that JA wrote from a womans point of view. It does leave us wanting more. It is nothing to do with being male or female. It is just a suggestion. It does sound like you are doing that to some degree already. Its great, I am sure yours would be better then some of the stuff thats out there.
: ciao Donna
: P.S.I do have that book by Pool. I wanted to know more about the 1800 century. His comparision are a little thin. He refers to certain books that I have never read. Also I haven't read the entire book just certain parts.
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Good idea, Mr.Darcy's point of view. Tell me when you finish the book and I'll order one. By the way, has anyone have the book Pemberly Shades by ?Bonavia-Hunt. I've been trying to find one. Please let me buy it or rent it or whatever. I'm dying to read a sequel. I hate Pemberly by E.T. It's not good.
Thanks.
Sylvia
Posted by Sylvia on October 30, 1996 at 03:34:11:
: : : Has anyone seen the old Masterpiece Theater series "The Duchess of Duke Street"? It is supposedly based on an actual person.(My PBS station is re-showing it now.)
: : : Just a side note -- the woman who played Louisa (Gemma Jones) also played the mother in Sense and Sensibility.
: : : Anne
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: : Oh yes! Bravo showed it a year or so ago. It was quite good,
: : and I'm hoping they'll show it again.
: : Ann
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: I have seen this play among the offers from BBC and been contemplating the possibility of maybe getting it as a Christmas present. It has one further claim on my interest - Gemma Jones is the mother of Emma Thompson, whom I admire and who maybe owes some of her talent to her mother
: Ann2!?__________________
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Also, Emma Thompson's mother is the Mrs. Bates in Emma (the movie with G.Paltrow) and Miss Bates is Emma Thompson's sister.
Sylvia
Posted by Sylvia on October 30, 1996 at 03:43:29:
: : : : : : : : : But It would be a intresting
: : : : : : : : : plot to see Caroline chasing a Darcy stricken by grief over
: : : : : : : : : Lizzys early death.Maybe she had died in childbed after giving birth to too many children in a few years ( a common fate a that time).
: : : : : : : : : Darcy would maybe feel responsible for Lizzys death.
: : : : : : : : : maybe caroline would try to snare him then.
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: : : : : : : : Anna-Karin,
: : : : : : : : Please refrain from killing Lizzy off!!
: : : : : : : : It is simply too horrible to think of.
: : : : : : : : Ann
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: : : : : : : Yes, I wouldn't want her to die, but see could leave for about a year or two due to having to many childern.
: : : : : : : Knowing if she would stay that it would be a risk to her life. She wouldn't want him to feel responsible for her life and the temptation for both would be to devasting to live with. It is a desperate situation. This is the only problem that I could see being a wife and being happily married in the 1800's. I couldn't image giving birth so many time.There was always very large families. Having 10 to 12 childern was
: : : : : : : common. It had to be a great fear in JA mind,maybe thats why she wasn't totally unhappy not being married.She lost many sister-in-laws this way.
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: : : : : : I do notreally want to kill Lizzy of either.
: : : : : : Donna You do not mean that Lizzy shouldleave Darcy for good or? Nothwithstanding it would break their hearts it would be a great social scandal if they really separated. someting they
: : : : : : did not want to cause. But the problems of to
: : : : : : many children in to little time could be real to them. Remember Mrs bennet gave birth to 5 in 7 years but then suddenly stopped even if it is clear from the book that she and mr Bennet tried to have a son for many ears after Lydia was born.
: : : : : : So Lizzy can be expected to give birth to many children in quite a few years.It could be a problem for her and Darcy.But I do not think that separating would be considered really
: : : : : : because of 1. the fact that they loved each other deeply. 2 .the social scandal.
: : : : : : Maybe a solution could be separate bedrooms
: : : : : : (to lessen the temptation not that I think it would do) or that Darcy maybe
: : : : : : sometimes spend some time alone in the house in
: : : : : : London to give Lizzy some rest.
: : : : : : In some social high standing families of that time once the heir and maybe one son more was born the parents lived rather separated but
: : : : : : mostly under the same roof.
: : : : : : The men then often keept mistreses and went to prostitutes
: : : : : : I thing I hope Darcy would not even consider.
: : : : : : Anna-karin
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: : : : : Folks! This thread is starting to sound like one of Emma Tennant's sequels!
: : : : : Bernie
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: : : : Fill us in Bernie, just a little and whats the title.
: : : : Thanks Donna
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: : : It would be a temporary condition ,because Lizzie would not be able to have childern again for at least two years
: : : With religious beliefs taking the forefront of marriages at this time,and birth control would not be available, what other opitions do the had ,but to agree on some kind of temporary arangement. Social scandal would not be an issue because it would be considered a matter of life and death.
: : : I agree being in the same house would not due.
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: : We have to hope that they could work something out that was not to painful for them or that they did not have to do it at all ;););)
: : Anna-Karin
: : PS. the Emma Tennant sequel Pemberly has been translated to swedish I gave it a quick read.
: : It is terrible!!!!!!!! So many things are wrong
: : for example Lydia having several children when Lizzy has been married one year. and now some
: : poor swedes will by the boo for a sum of 260 swedish kronor around 40 US dollars.Luckily I did not have to by the book.
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: Tennant's books are nowhere to be found in this neck 0f the woods.
: Thanks Donna
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I bought the book at used bookstore for half the original price. However, I'm returning it 'coz it is not a keeper. I heard Pemberly Shades is a better sequel. I wish I could swap it with this one.
Sylvia
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Posted by Bernie on October 30, 1996 at 04:29:10:
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: : What I really don't understand is why you guys are charged ca. $100 for P&P2. In Britain it comes as a double tape all for the price of £19.99 ($30).
: : Bernie
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: The A&E version of which we are speaking is the 6 volume set. Does the 2 volume set of which you speak contain the missing scenes (Darcy walking back to Rosings with the Lizzy/Darcy voice-overs, Darcy at Pemberly the evening after Lizzy leaves, etc)? The 6 volume set is approximately 5 hours long.
: Anne
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Yes, this is the BBC version as screened last Autumn -- all 5 hours and 1 minute of it!! Auntie Beeb has no adverts, thus no need to cut any of the scenes.
Bernie
PS. Just out of interest, anyone have any ideas how much it would cost to covert a Britsh PAL video to an American format ?
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Posted by Joan, too on October 30, 1996 at 04:40:45:
: Yes, this is the BBC version as screened last Autumn -- all 5 hours and 1 minute of it!! Auntie Beeb has no adverts, thus no need to cut any of the scenes.
: Bernie
: PS. Just out of interest, anyone have any ideas how much it would cost to covert a Britsh PAL video to an American format ?
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I investigated this a couple of years ago for an international online student project, and while I no longer remember the exact costs, it is quite pricey for just one copy. There are price breaks for large quantities of the same master, but I think it would probably cost less to just buy the NTSC version, especially when one considers that translation will somewhat degrade the quality of the copy, especially if it is not done from a "master" quality original. I happen to have a VCR that will play in PAL and SEACAM as well as NTSC, but when I try to make copies in another format from this machine, the quality is unacceptably poor - good copies require a really good machine with top quality record and playback heads, and that equipment is expensive.
Joan, too
Posted by Bernie on October 30, 1996 at 04:55:22:
: : I've seen "Friends of Firth" and "Firth FAQ." Where is there more information about Jennifer Ehle?
: : Sidnee
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: Thank you, Sidnee! I'd love to learn more about JE! Somebody help us!
: - K
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There is a "Jennifer Ehle's fan club". Link supplied below (I hope!)
Bernie
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Link:
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Posted by Carolyn on October 30, 1996 at 08:08:13:
Last night, I happened to catch half of a Sherlock Holmes episode on A&E. I was about to turn it off when I recognized Adrian Lukas. I watched the rest. The episode is entitled "The Creeping Man" and Lukas plays Jack Bennett, mild mannered secretary to a scientist who does some bizarre animal experimentation.
Posted by Anne on October 30, 1996 at 08:20:23:
: I have seen this play among the offers from BBC and been contemplating the possibility of maybe getting it as a Christmas present.
: Ann2!?__________________
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For years I have been looking for the boxed set (which would be great indeed as the series was extremely long). I recommended it to my Mother when it was on the first time and she adored it. She always wanted the set. Now that she is gone, I still find myself looking for it. I am taping it from PBS now (in part because it is on when I'm normally not watching tv) and will be able to watch it for enjoyment and to be closer to her.
Anne
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Posted by Myretta Robens on October 30, 1996 at 08:36:21:
I have been lurking, with great enjoyment, for a couple of weeks and take this opportunity to unveil. I have noticed several posts asking about where to buy books. I am sure many of you know, but I would just like to mention, that amazon.com is a has an astounding number of titles available. And. . . if you can get here, you can get there. It is at http://www.amazon.com. I order from them more frequently than I should and they are always communicative and prompt. A search for titles including "Jane Austen" turns up a huge number of books. Enjoy. And thanks for the enjoyment you have given me.
Myretta
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Posted by Grace on October 30, 1996 at 08:54:45:
: : : : Darcy-like men certainly do exist.... but alas, even they occasionally display bursts of Hurst.
: : : Ever a realist, Grace
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: : And I suppose, to be fair, that the same could be said about those of the female persuasion - Lizzies do exist, but they, too, are occasionally subject to bursts of Bingley-Hurst.
: : Joan, too
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: Ah, Have we got the essence of Know-how in The Art of Making your Marriage Work here?
: Cherish and make the most of the Darcy-moments and learn to overlook the"Bursts of Hurst"!(Even the expression might help me to laugh at those little weaknesses that expose a strong understanding to ridicule. Great fun, Grace.)
: And sensible Joan, too is right of course, I have faults enough...
: Ann2
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: Caroline, we do malign.
For none of us would wish to be
Singly like Miss Bingley!
Posted by Grace on October 30, 1996 at 09:03:17:
: : : Thanks, Donna
: : : P.S. Who invented duck tape? T
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: : That's duct tape, as in the stuff you use to seal
: : air ducts. It is a miraculous invention which holds the
: : world together!!
: : Ann
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: No, Donna's right - duck tape is the stuff you use to seal aggressive ducks beaks. Its a miraculous invention which renders them harmless, and holds the world-as-we-know- it together. Invented possibly in the eary 1800s by one F. Darcy.
: Hilary
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Hilary, there's so much to read lately, I almost missed this! Very well done! Cheers, Grace
Posted by Grace on October 30, 1996 at 09:08:17:
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: Firth and Hinds were also both in "Circle of Friends",
: : though Firth and Hinds didn't share any scenes, and both had
: : supporting roles.
: : Ann
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: Any of you see Dennis Potter's last TV play called 'Cold Lazarus' (following on from 'Karaoke')? It had Hinds playing one of the major roles. .
: Hilary
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Never saw this one, but maybe you can help me identify another Hinds film. It was on Canadian TV recently, with Hinds playing one of two Irish brothers who share a mistress. I only caught part of it, and the name of the movie was never shown. Grace
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Posted by Grace on October 30, 1996 at 09:20:50:
: : : : : I have tried in vain,It will not do...
: : : : : I can visualize lying in bed on my wedding night when Mr.Collins, my husband walks in, a big smile across his face and
: : : : : NO NO NO NO I cannot go any furthur! since you could not be married without consumating the marriage I could not marry him. ooooo ick!!!!
: : : : : Mich
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: : : : : Mich, the lighting in those times would have been very poor.......is that any consolation to you?
: : : : Vision problems can prove a blessing at times. Grace
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: : : But the words he speaks, and the topics of (non)conversation/condescention, he being "quite enraptured" and all. Would earplugs be sufficient?
: : : : : Janet
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: : Ok, I've got it! A blindfold, ear plugs, a thick flannel nightgown left ON so I wouldn't have to touch him, lots of scented candles to remove the Mr. Collins smell (eeewww!!!), NO kissing, some good port (to dull any remaining senses not muted enough by the above) and a very, very imaginitive fantasy life and I just *may* be able to...NO! NO! I'm with Mich, I just can't...no amount of poultry is worth this!
: : Cheryl
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: Yeah, I think it would be a lot easier just to decline his proposal. No use living a very transparent lie.
: - K
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: Now, now, ladies, give Mr. Collins a chance. Sometimes the most unexpected people can prove marvelous lovers. He was known for his desire to please.
.....And if that did not hold true, you could take comfort in the fact that your life expectancy at the time would be very short.
Grace
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Posted by Amy on October 30, 1996 at 09:29:22:
Hinds playing one of two Irish brothers who share a mistress.
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I think it is called "Paint Your Wagon, Will Ya?"
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Posted by Grace on October 30, 1996 at 09:40:20:
: : I was watching PP2 on video (again) and
: : thought that Colin Firth has a look
: : and sound of Richard Burton about him.
: : They both have a compelling gaze and
: : 'presence', and a wonderfully rich
: : sounding voice.
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: I totally agree with you about the voice. I also thought Firth sounded just like Burton. (Burton was Welsh--is Firth?)
: But Firth is much better looking!!
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: I share these opinions (let's just hope Firth doesn't share Burton's fate... but then,now that I think of it, he did get involved with a Liz, didn't he?)
Anyone else out there think that Firth is one of those rare men who actually seem to improve with age? I think his face looks better now than when he was younger. (The Sean Connery phenomenon).
But will he keep his hair???????
Grace
P.S. I'm not on the Firthlist, but I'm sure these points have been reviewed for weeks there.
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Posted by Nicole on October 30, 1996 at 09:47:32:
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: : : : It is a small scene, but links wonderfully between the end of
: : : : Episode 3 and the letter.
: : : : Rebecca
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: : : You make me very glad that I ordered the tapes today. I should be enjoying that scene by Friday.
: : : Ann
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: : You are too right, I rewatched the tapes today (no hardship there) and you can just imagine when Darcy shakes his head that he is saying "Damn"as he strides towards Rosings. I think the price of the tapes was worth every cent too!! DonnaT
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: For anyone in the U.S. who hasn't already purchased the tapes, check PriceClub/Costco -- they had the set for $59.99
_ Thank you for this bb. I am very grateful to have found it, and am thoroughly enjoying it. I saw that scene last week on the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corp.) 's french airing of "Orgueil et Prejuges" excellent scene well representative of his state of mind. Tonight is the last episode for those of you in Canada, I must say the translation was done quite well, but of course it is best seen in it's original language to hear Darcy's real voice.
Nicole
Posted by Amy on October 30, 1996 at 10:00:59:
: Anyone else out there think that Firth is one of those rare men who actually seem to improve with age? I think his face looks better now than when he was younger. (The Sean Connery phenomenon).
: But will he keep his hair???????
: Grace
: P.S. I'm not on the Firthlist, but I'm sure these points have been reviewed for weeks there.
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Grace, I have not seen it discussed, however I have only subscribed since August and usually only skim. Laura, or Anna-Karin, do you suppose the Firthlist would object to cross posting questions such as this?
Amy
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