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Posted by Tommye on October 28, 1996 at 22:20:30:
: I know that we haven't actually *heard* from Amy, but there is evidence that she has returned to safely to us from the wilds of Michigan, to wit: the BB has been pared down with old postings removed. Now it only takes 45 seconds for me to reload the BB instead of the 1:30 I have been experiencing.
: Amy, did you have a nice Christmas, was Santa good to you? We missed you and were mostly well-behaved in your absence!
: Cheryl
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May I be the second to welcome you back, Amy!
I had many questions for you while you were away, but, alas, I have forgotten them all. (There's just too much else of interest going on on this BB!)
:Tommye
Posted by Ann on October 28, 1996 at 22:21:54:
: I know that we haven't actually *heard* from Amy, but there is evidence that she has returned to safely to us from the wilds of Michigan, to wit: the BB has been pared down with old postings removed. Now it only takes 45 seconds for me to reload the BB instead of the 1:30 I have been experiencing.
: Amy, did you have a nice Christmas, was Santa good to you? We missed you and were mostly well-behaved in your absence!
: Cheryl
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Amy,
I too hope you had a good Christmas, and that your sons
didn't drive you nuts while you drove them to Michigan.
Good to have you back.
Cheryl,
I found that it speeds things up if I look at a thread all
at one time (sometimes loading a message I have already
read, just because it has the most new messages under its
thread), and I return to the main page as little as possible.
It has really sped things up for me.
Ann
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Posted by Tommye on October 28, 1996 at 22:29:50:
Something I realized today and have since read on the BB also is that this P&P2 addiction is a happy addiction. Few addicts of other mood-altering things would not confess to wanting release, freedom from its grip. However, I find great pleasure in daily renewing, refreshing and feeding my P&P2 addiction. Perhaps one day my family will call for some sort of intervention/confrontational treatment.
::Thought for the Day, brought to you by Tommye
Goodnight!
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Posted by Tommye on October 28, 1996 at 22:30:17:
Something I realized today and have since read on the BB also is that this P&P2 addiction is a happy addiction. Few addicts of other mood-altering things would not confess to wanting release, freedom from its grip. However, I find great pleasure in daily renewing, refreshing and feeding my P&P2 addiction. Perhaps one day my family will call for some sort of intervention/confrontational treatment.
::Thought for the Day, brought to you by Tommye
Goodnight!
Posted by Ann on October 28, 1996 at 22:37:22:
: But it must be remembered that even then, she did not tell him off right away. She first tried a most restriained refusal, followed by saying nothing at all, and only when Darcy would not take "no" for an answer did she tear into him. In his own way, he asked for it.
: But on the other hand, if he had just wished her health and happiness and departed, there would be no plot for the rest of the book. ;-)
: Joan, too
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I like to think that after he had cooled down and had time
to reflect on what she had told him, he must have realised
that he probably deserved to be thrown out of the room as
soon as he said that he rejoiced at his success at hurting
her sister. I know that, if it were me, I would not have
allowed him to continue in the room after some of the things
he said and would just have told him to get out!
Ann
Posted by Paula on October 28, 1996 at 22:40:13:
: : I have never had the luxury of watching P&P2 all the way through!
: I tried to find the first part at video stores, etc. with no luck. Finally, someone lent me the first part. Not the ideal way to enjoy the film! Must tape it in November.
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You can buy the tapes from A&E -- the 800 number is on their Web site. It comes with the book and costs about $110 with shipping, but I think it's also available elsewhere for less. Try the Links button at the top of this BB for sources.
I had planned to tape it but couldn't wait, I had to have it right away! The advantage of the A&E version is that you don't have to deal with the commercials and it comes in a really nice box with a picture of Colin Firth down the side.
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Posted by Joan, too on October 28, 1996 at 22:44:36:
: Karen:
: If I could have a decent respectable man (like Darcy) look at me like that once I would be happy for a very long time.
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You say there is no love, my love,
Unless it be for aye!
Oh, folly, there are interludes
Better than the play.
You say lest it endure, sweet love,
It is not love for aye?
Oh, blind! Eternity can be
All in one little day.
Grace Fallow Norton
(1876-1926)
(But I find that I cannot be as forbearing as GFN about this topic. One day is not enough!)
Joan, too
Posted by Janet on October 28, 1996 at 22:47:52:
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: Yes! Yes! Yes! The arms behind their backs...I noticed this as well. Also, Darcy fiddling with his ring. Everything in this scene is sooo perfect. It definately leaves nothing wanting.
: Candace
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Finally both Lizzy and Darcy are (almost) relaxed and content, as if they are starting over and meeting for the first time - on his lovely grounds at Pemberley, no less. Everything is almost perfect. There is still some strained tension, but with the sense that it can and will be resolved. At least the pride and prejudice, avoidance and pretense are gone, and they are nearly as one.
It must have been a relief for Darcy to finally be able to let down his guard a bit. Even though Lizzy was a "country girl", she was actually more on his level for standing up for herself and her beliefs as her own person with intelligence, charm and good character. She did not pursue him, but instead stood up to him and even rejected him, but for good moral cause. Now that he has found her and learned what he needs to change in order to win her - and to correct himself - he can relax a bit, especially since she seems responsive in turn.
Really, it is little wonder why Darcy behaved in such a proud and arrogant manner before he met Lizzy. After all, for most of his life he must have been on guard against pursuits from mother hens like Mrs. B. (and their manhunting daughters), manipulators like the Bingley sisters, high and mighties like Lady C., sychophants like Mr. Collins, panderers like Sir Lucas and scoundrels like Wickham. With his position and property to uphold and the responsibility of his sister's guardianship, he had to be careful. It may have been necessary to adopt an aloof air to protect himself from such undesireables. Since socializing and mating were the primary activities, he would have been serious prey. At last he has found his match, and all is right with the world - until the next challenge unfolds.
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Posted by Paula on October 28, 1996 at 22:50:52:
: I have not seen any of the older versions of P&P -- only P&P2. Based on your opinions, I guess I should stick to P&P2 and NOT watch P&P0 nor P&P1 (for fear of being disappointed since P&P2 is so incredibly wonderful).
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I haven't seen P&P1 but P&P0 was "in every way horrible." For starters it condensed the story into 1 1/2 hours. So instead of playing the scenes, the plot was told largely by Mrs. Bennett, who as narrator seemed to be main character. They also changed the plot to make Lady Catherine in league with Darcy to fool Lizzy....and Greer Garson was 37 years old! The costumes and hairstyles looked more than 1930s than 1815... it just didn't come anywhere near close in quality to P&P2.
I rented P&P0 at a local video store (a Blockbuster).
Posted by Ann on October 28, 1996 at 22:57:30:
I went through P&P2 looking for the different dresses which Lizzy wore, trying to answer the question: which one does she wear the most? The answer is that there are two which she wears nine times, both are florals. One has large pinkish flowers, the other has a gold waist band (this one may just be a print, I can't really make out the pattern).
There is some uncertainty in my tally. For example, when she wore the same dress two scenes in a row, I would usually count it only once, but at other times, when there could have been (or should have been) time passing in between the two scenes, I counted it twice. On one occasion that goes the other way, there is a separation of scenes, when there should not be--all the scenes before Lydia's wedding should take place on the same day, with Jane and Lizzy talking that night.
There are two dresses which seem to be polka-dot (I can't really tell on my tape, they may just be a small print) which are hard to tell apart. One has a slightly lighter background with no trim on top but dark trim on the bottom hem, the other has a slightly darker background with dark trim on top including buttons on the front and no trim on the bottom but with dark wrist ties.
Points of interest:
Lizzy is wearing the same gown, a gauzy white-on-white stripe, when she first sees Darcy (opening riding scene) and when she first sees the new Darcy at Pemberley. In between these two scenes this dress is not worn at all.
She wears the same gown for both of Darcy's proposals.
The polka-dot dresses tend to be worn in the winter, the florals in the spring and autumn and the stripe and criss-cross in the summer.
She seems to get a new dress in the summer, the white-on-white criss-cross is first seen when Lydia goes off to Brighton. After that she wears it a lot.
The List, with number of times worn in () and a scene in which it is worn:
(8) White-on-white vertical stripe (gauzy)-----Opening scene and meeting at Pemberley
(8) Linen colored stripe-----church in the beginning , both of Darcy's proposals
(8) Polka-dot with no trim on top, dark trim on bottom-----Collins' proposal
(3) Polka-dot with dark trim on top, no trim on bottom-----walk to Netherfield
(5) Embroidered party dress, white-on-white-----Meryton ball
(9) Floral with gold waist band-----gathering flowers with Jane after Meryton ball
(4) White party dress with green front panel-----Lucas Lodge party
(9) Large-pink flowered-----Mrs. Bennet's visit to Netherfield
(3) Red-----Dinner with Mr. Collins
Netherfield Ball gown
(6) White-on-white criss-cross-----dinner at Lambton Inn
Wedding gown
There are six Bonnets:
Straw with blue ribbon, Tan all-fabric, Straw with brown fabric in back, Big rust bonnet, Flat rust bonnet (only worn in Kent), Wedding bonnet.
There are eight Jackets/Coats:
Light-blue jacket, brown patterned jacket, rust jacket, black jacket, Netherfield Ball coat, long blue coat, dark-grey jacket, Wedding coat.
Also 2 different night gowns one with a collar, one scoop-necked which is always worn with a filmy robe over the top.
Scarves: Long red plaid, long white, very short white, maybe two lace scarves, bedroom scarf.
Only one necklace (cross). Jane has at least three: cross, pink bead, and pearl drop.
(Can you tell I have a lot of time on my hands!!)
Ann
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Posted by Janet on October 28, 1996 at 23:05:48:
: When Lizzy is reading Darcy's letter and he mentions the total
: want of propriety by her family - occassionally even by your
: father - the scene that is shown is where Mr. B tells Mary
: that she has delighted them quite enough (with her playing). I
: don't feel that this is a want of propriety. I feel that this is
: a very sensitive way of getting Mary to stop without actually
: telling her that she's not very good and embarrassing them.
: I feel the want of propriety on Mr. B's part is in allowing his
: daughters and wife to behave the way they do.
: Just a thought.
: Anne
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But Mr. B's remark was snide, ungracious and obvious, and he did not make an effort to be polite which was apparently reflected back in his daughters' behaviour.__________
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Posted by Arnessa on October 28, 1996 at 23:06:34:
: : The sad result of all of this is that - between the way JA and Davies wrote Darcy, and the way CF plays him - expectations of mortal men are so high. It is very hard to find a man in everyday life to measure up to this standard. But some of us keep trying.
: : Anne
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: Then I must count myself as one of the lucky ones. My husband not only puts up with this little obsession of mine, he actually understands it! I am a avid lurker(?) of this bb and a very seldom poster to it, but I have been here almost from the start, and find that I cannot go many days without checking in. Thanks to all of you for giving me such a great place to hang out! And let me assure you all that great Darcy-like men do exist. I married one almost six years ago.
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The lucky ones? Winning a million bucks in the lottery in lucky. In marrying a Darcy-like man, I think you join a category known as the incredibly, miraculously, overwhelmingly-blessed-by-the-heavens-for-all-eternity ones.
Thanks for the encouragement to the rest of us, though.
--Arnessa
Posted by Janet on October 28, 1996 at 23:13:35:
: : I know that we haven't actually *heard* from Amy, but there is evidence that she has returned to safely to us from the wilds of Michigan, to wit: the BB has been pared down with old postings removed. Now it only takes 45 seconds for me to reload the BB instead of the 1:30 I have been experiencing.
: : Amy, did you have a nice Christmas, was Santa good to you? We missed you and were mostly well-behaved in your absence!
: : Cheryl
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: Amy,
: I too hope you had a good Christmas, and that your sons
: didn't drive you nuts while you drove them to Michigan.
: Good to have you back.
: Cheryl,
: I found that it speeds things up if I look at a thread all
: at one time (sometimes loading a message I have already
: read, just because it has the most new messages under its
: thread), and I return to the main page as little as possible.
: It has really sped things up for me.
: Ann
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Welcome back, Amy. Just think, it's not even Halloween yet and you have already done Christmas. Does this mean you are done with your shopping and wrapping? I am indeed envious.
I, too, have a question about this process, but mine relates to maintaining a good connection. Quite often if I type a post that takes more than a minute or so (as I tend to rattle on) - my connection goes dead. Then I have to back out and redo or finish the post off-line and reconnect. My server says this shouldn't happen, but it does. Any ideas what might be wrong, or does this happen to any of you? I would be most grateful. I'd better hurry up and submit this or I may be cut off again.
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Posted by Grace on October 28, 1996 at 23:25:56:
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: : : Grace
: : Imagine Lizzy exploring his library!
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: : : I am disappointed in all of you. I handed you the perfect straight line above and no one picked up the ball and ran with it. Must I do everything myself?:
: : Imagine Lizzy exploring his library! How she admires his volumes! Drawn to the novel, she can't wait to get between the covers!
: : Fondly, Grace
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: Grace, I am sorry to disappoint! Little Red Hen Syndrome is no fun at all.
: Now, difficult (but hopefully not too unhappy) alternatives are before you, as to why I haven't engaged in this discussion so far:
: 1)The possibility that the much-vaunted library which promised so much pleasure was in fact a disappointment to Lizzie. Maybe the books were in a somewhat moth-eaten condition, or had perhaps been put in mothballs.
: 2)I am chastened and have sworn off any indulgence in inuendo.
: 3)I have assumed the high moral ground.
: 4)I am having trouble keeping up with the posts. The kids have discovered Lemmings 3D and the computor is in high demand; daylight saving has begun; my partner has returned from a fortnights trip away; and I have read 'The English Patient' and '1000 Acres'. In other words I have been somewhat in library mode myself.
: I hope you can but smile at such a conclusion to such a beginning.
: Fondly, Hilary
: PS. As to your later post, Dickens and Tom Wolfe would be out of the question in Darcy's library, but I'd hazard a guess that she would have enjoyed 'Hard Times' or 'The Right Stuff'.
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: Assumed the high moral ground???? Sworn off any indulgence in innuendo???? Why, Hilary, it is of all subjects your delight.......in fact, you are a true proficient.
Posted by Donna on October 28, 1996 at 23:27:20:
: : : Thanks, Donna
: : : P.S. Who invented duck tape? T
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: : That's duct tape, as in the stuff you use to seal
: : air ducts. It is a miraculous invention which holds the
: : world together!!
: : Ann
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: No, Donna's right - duck tape is the stuff you use to seal aggressive ducks beaks. Its a miraculous invention which renders them harmless, and holds the world-as-we-know- it together. Invented possibly in the eary 1800s by one F. Darcy.
: Hilary
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Thanks Hilary that really quacked me up. My husband uses it for everything.Wouldn't have been nice if Lizzie had some when Lady C. came for her visit at LBourn.
ciao Donna
Posted by Paula on October 28, 1996 at 23:30:09:
: Back in July or June, the Austen listers were upset that people were constantly talking about the newer P&P.
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What's the Austen list, and how does one join it? Many thanks.
Posted by Joan, too on October 28, 1996 at 23:31:06:
: (8) Linen colored stripe-----church in the beginning , both of Darcy's proposals
This dress is also worn when she says good-bye to Wickham before leaving for Kent, on her arrival at Hunsford, when Darcy and the Colonel first call at the parsonage, while walking in Rosings Park with the Colonel, at supper at the Inn in Lambton, in the showdown with Lady Catherine, and several other small scenes that do not jump immediately to mind. (I will have to count next time I view the video from start to end.) Sometimes it is worn with a (short) jacket over it, so is not as obvious. So this is the one that I think JE was referring to in the A&E interview.
Joan, too
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Posted by Janet on October 28, 1996 at 23:34:15:
: : : : : I like how JA shows how Lizzie feels when Darcy comes back to Longbourne and he doesn't
: : : : : approach her fast enough. "If he no longer cares for me,why be silent?Teasing,teasing man!
: : : : : She is hooked.
: : : : : ciao Donna
: : : :
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: : : :
: : : : I wondered if it was because he'd done all the running in the past and it was up to her now to give him a bit of encouragement.
: : : : Though after Lady Catherine got in on the act he was fairly sure that Lizzie must have liked him a little!
: : : : Cheers
: : : : Rose
: : :
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: : :
: : : Yes, it was and she still thought that he should be just has attentive as before, but now he made her wait. Teasing teasing man. Threir rolls have reversed a little.
: : : ciao Donna
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: : No, I don't think so. I think they both have too much at stake to be teasing and playing games here. In Lizzie's case it would be improper for her to directly broach the subject. For Darcy its a matter of once bitten, twice shy. And until the walk to Meryton they do not have the opportunity to talk together, and they were (as later acknowleged) both embarrassed, so neither encouraged the other. Thanks be to Lady C, who was so useful!
: : Hilary
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: Yes,yes In the book that meeting is much longer, with both feeling uncomfortable. I believe they both explained it by admitting they were reacting to each others being so uncomfortable and silent. Lady C visit came after this meeting.
: Mich
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Doesn't Darcy later explain in the book that his intention was to study Jane and her affections for Bingley, in order to determine if he should "grant his consent"? This was their time for their engagement, and they had to go first in order for Darcy to follow. I think he had it all figured out, as his answers in the book imply.
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Posted by Mich on October 28, 1996 at 23:38:14:
: : : Thank you, thank you, thank you! I have been searching for a page like this for a while. I just started college this year and I very foolishly left all of my Jane Austen books at home since I thought, "I've already read them plenty of times". I was very wrong and I will definately be bringing them back with me after Thanksgiving break. And I thought that I was the only one who couldn't get enough of that wonderful movie! Are there any other books that are similar to JA's that are a real good read? I just finished A Long Fatal Love Chase so I am looking for another adventure! Thanks, Sarah
: :
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: : Have any of you read the creative writings on the Friend of firth page, con
Posted by Mich on October 28, 1996 at 23:38:15:
: : : Thank you, thank you, thank you! I have been searching for a page like this for a while. I just started college this year and I very foolishly left all of my Jane Austen books at home since I thought, "I've already read them plenty of times". I was very wrong and I will definately be bringing them back with me after Thanksgiving break. And I thought that I was the only one who couldn't get enough of that wonderful movie! Are there any other books that are similar to JA's that are a real good read? I just finished A Long Fatal Love Chase so I am looking for another adventure! Thanks, Sarah
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: : Have any of you read the creative writings on the Friend of firth page, concerning P&P?
: : I have been enjoying them over the last two weeks. They fill in some of the gaps wonderfully. I loved the the conversation between Darcy and his Aunt after she left Lizzie at Longborn. The wedding night from both Darcy and Lizzie's point of view were very well done.
: : Anyone else?
: : Mich
:
: __How about the Letter from Darcy's Butler describing how Darcy frantic changing of clothes after his accidental meeting with Lizzy at Pemberly. That is very delightful indeed!
: Sylvia
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I really liked that they brought in a completely different perspective. very entertaining
Mich
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