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Posted by Kali on October 28, 1996 at 15:48:44:
: : Perhaps E's greatest asset is her respect for the truth above pride.
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: And also D's? "Disguise of every sort is my abhorrence." Without respect for (and recognition of) truth, neither would have been able to acknowledge their own "faults" and make the changes that were necessary for them ultimately to be united.
: Joan, too
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Of course. If he didn't value truth above all else, he could overcome neither his own pride nor her proud front. And if that were indeed the case, he wouldn't deserve her (nor would he get her in the end).
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Posted by Genie on October 28, 1996 at 16:03:39:
: : : : LOL means look of longing, your server should have information about these abbervated signs BTW means by the way FYI means for you information I don't know them all
: : : : thats some of them.
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: : : : ciao Donna
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: : : Actually, on the lists I've seen, LOL means laughing out loud...
: : : Joan, too
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: : That is what I have always took it to mean. If it is extremely funny, there is always ROTFLOL: Rolling On The Floor Laughing Out Loud!
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Given the subject of this BB (PP2) perhaps Look of Longing is more appropriate for LOL. At the very least, an excellent alternative, Donna.
Genie
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: Thank you for explaining this to me. You all are so great! All of you are so entertaining and have frequently made me ROTFLOL.
: Candace
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Posted by Dina on October 28, 1996 at 16:10:12:
Are there any other books that are similar to JA's that are a real good read?
I am a member of the Jane Austen Society of NA, they have a great bibliography section to look at. You can find it at http//curly.cc.utexas.edu/~churchh/austbsbj.html (I hope that is right). Good luck!!!
Posted by Carolyn on October 28, 1996 at 16:40:14:
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: : Start with Heyer's Arabella. The hero, Mr. Beaumaris is definitely a Darcy wannabee.
: Don't miss The Scarlet Pimpernel for adventure and restrained passion. (I think we should begin a campaign to get this remade with Colin Firth in the lead.... and no Jane Seymour,PLEASE).
: Presumption and The Third Sister (Barrett)are okay in the sequel department, harmless enough and entertaining.
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I just finished reading Arabella last week, and love the character of Mr. Beaumaris. You might try Sylvester, which is her version of Pride & Prejudice, with many elements that can be traced backed to JA. The Cornithian was the first book I ever read by her, and is still one of all time favorites. Her best works are probably These Old Shades, and its sequel Devil's Cub. I just finished Venetia, and thought that Firth would make excellent Lord Damerel.
If you read the Scarlet Pimpernel novels (and there are quite a few) besides the original, I suggest looking for The Elusive Pimpernel, The Triumph of the Scarlet Pimpernel and Eldorado.
Posted by Grace on October 28, 1996 at 16:43:16:
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: : : : : : : : : I was the same way about the book, couldn't put it down.
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: : : : : : : : P.S. I share your desire for happy endings - maybe that's another reason I love Austen!
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: : : : : : : Do you know when the movie will be showing?
: : : : : : : Well I am SO glad to be back!
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: : : : : : Wow I'm impressed reading Gone with the Wind in a week. A smaller book I read recently was 'The Horse Whisperer'.
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: : : : Imagine Lizzy exploring his library!
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: : : : : I am disappointed in all of you. I handed you the perfect straight line above and no one picked up the ball and ran with it. Must I do everything myself?:
: : : : Imagine Lizzy exploring his library! How she admires his volumes! Drawn to the novel, she can't wait to get between the covers!
: : : : Fondly, Grace
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: : : Grace -- You are sooo bad!!! I truly love it!!!
: : : I confess, I was hesitate to show my own colors so soon after the "Daggy" thread. But how on earth could any women ever resist the temptation to expound on the obvious mental picture that you properly put there. Isn't this fun!!
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: : : Thank you, Anne, Cheryl and Candace! You have restored my faith in this board. Truly, your reputation for wisdom coupled with wicked wit is no fiction.
: : Grace
: : P.S. May I also compliment you on your ladylike discretion in not even whispering about the equine element of the thread.....evidence of elegant breeding indeed!
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: LOL -- My dear Grace,
: We could not comment on the equine element, as there would be no such comment to make. Does not the book read when Lizzie is determined to walk to Netherfield: "...though the carriage was not to be had; and as she was no horsewoman, walking was her only alternative."? So you see our elegant breeding has nothing to do with it...we just couldn't think of a good come back!
: Candace
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: Candace, I had hoped you would be forthcoming with advice as to the side of the library in which notable volumes might be found.....Longfellow comes to mind as an example. Shall we look forward to your comments?
Posted by Laura M on October 28, 1996 at 16:51:32:
Get a life guys, I have seen it at least 500x's. So does that make me the biggest couch potato. I think so. I have seen P&P1 3x, P&P0 2x, and P&P3 500x.
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Posted by Laura M on October 28, 1996 at 16:55:04:
Back in July or June, the Austen listers were upset that people were constantly talking about the newer P&P. so people were thinking about splitting the group. The Austen group did not want to split. You know Quebec Redux. So Amy took it upon herself to start this list anyway. And great thing that she has done. Because a couple of Austenites even post, myself included. So I hope I gave you a brief synopsis of how this wonderful BB started.
Laura
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Posted by Raphael on October 28, 1996 at 16:55:10:
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Try, for a similar yet different slant on the Regency, Maria Edgeworth's Belinda. I am reading it now and am nearly done. It is, of course, not as good as Austen, but it is entertaining. I should like to talk a bit about it here when I am done.
Cordially,
Raphael
Posted by Grace on October 28, 1996 at 17:04:12:
: In reply to Tommye's question; I have lost count of the number of times I have watched.Of course, I have my favorite parts that I watch over and over again. I'm afraid I will wear my tape out.
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: I have never had the luxury of watching P&P2 all the way through! In August, we had finally gotten a decent TV and decided to try cable. I came upon this production on a Monday evening and was thrilled with it. (Believe it or not, I had never even heard that there was a new version in the works or that it had played earlier in the year.) This ardent Austen fan was glued to the set both that night and Tuesday.
I tried to find the first part at video stores, etc. with no luck. Finally, someone lent me the first part. Not the ideal way to enjoy the film! Must tape it in November.
P&P2 gave me a most positive first impression of cable TV. I must say things have gone significantly downhill since then. I will only stay with cable in hopes of seeing Emma in January.
Grace
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Posted by Mich on October 28, 1996 at 17:17:03:
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: : Yeah, I know you're right Joan, too (it feels odd addressing someone as Joan, too. I know the reason, but still...) and you are a better man than I, Gunga Din, to be so forebearing. But I'm with Tommye, I want Darcy to punch his lights out!
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: But think about this for a moment. While I would not wish to return to the society of the early 1800s, there *are* some aspects of that societal behavior which we could do better by imitating. As a society we are far too quick to punch one another's lights out, and now that that activity has become so acceptable, the continuum has slipped far too far over in that direction and we have kids killing one another over nothing at all. Too many of us have lost all ability to be forebearing about anything, no matter how trivial, and society is decidedly7 not the better for it!
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I agree on all the points you've made above.
Although I agree with those who wanted Darcy to punch him out, it adds to his character that he didn't. I also loved the way Lizzy handled W after he came to longborn married to her sister. She was very polite in telling him what she knew and thought. I thought the dialog very entertaining and more refined than what we may have said in the same situation. We have lost a control over our behavior and thoughts.
Mich
Posted by Mich on October 28, 1996 at 17:29:52:
: Thank you, thank you, thank you! I have been searching for a page like this for a while. I just started college this year and I very foolishly left all of my Jane Austen books at home since I thought, "I've already read them plenty of times". I was very wrong and I will definately be bringing them back with me after Thanksgiving break. And I thought that I was the only one who couldn't get enough of that wonderful movie! Are there any other books that are similar to JA's that are a real good read? I just finished A Long Fatal Love Chase so I am looking for another adventure! Thanks, Sarah
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Have any of you read the creative writings on the Friend of firth page, concerning P&P?
I have been enjoying them over the last two weeks. They fill in some of the gaps wonderfully. I loved the the conversation between Darcy and his Aunt after she left Lizzie at Longborn. The wedding night from both Darcy and Lizzie's point of view were very well done.
Anyone else?
Mich
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Posted by Kali on October 28, 1996 at 17:36:53:
Mrs. B obviously takes her role as husband-finder for her daughters quite seriously. Her life practically revolves around the subject. Since she's so wiggy about making sure her duaghters are all safely married off (so as to avoid the burden of spinsterhood), how do you guys think she must have felt about bearing an heir (back when she was still in the business of being fertile)? Perhaps it was HER idea to make at least five tries of it (poor Mr. Bennet!)?
Posted by Rebecca on October 28, 1996 at 17:40:10:
: I do not think he would involve himself with a married lady at all he seem to be mor moral thar most men of his class were and his horror over Wickham seem real (otherwhise he would have been a real hypcrite he has many faults but hardly that. Even if I think he maybe had some experience before Lizzy it would hardly be with a married lady or a open prostitute. Maybe with a widow or actress of some kind. At least he would never willingly compromise hurt or abandon a lady.or leaving one one the street.
: a married lady never!!!!!
: Anna-Karin
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Sorry I haven't answered before, but I only have access to the Net at work and in the afternoons generally. I guess we have to disagree. My reading of the Regency period, and some other novels of then, is that it was fairly common for married woman, who were not married for love or whose husband had decided to go his own way, to take lovers, preferably young unmarried men of her own class. The advantage of these women for someone like Darcy is that it is fairly discreet, there is no expectation that it will be more than a brief affair, and any children will be the husband's,and they are likely (not necessarily) to be disease free. Far preferable to prostitutes and serving girls, although less spectacular than actresses. Darcy does have horror of Wickham and is more moral, but he disapproves of Wickham's continual interest in vice instead of learning a respectable profession and his penchant for going after innocent young women of good family. I don't think a gentleman of Darcy's social position in that time disapproved of a moderate amount of sex outside of marriage, indeed a male would probably be considered strange if he did not.
Rebecca
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Posted by Cheryl on October 28, 1996 at 17:42:54:
: Have any of you read the creative writings on the Friend of firth page, concerning P&P?
: I have been enjoying them over the last two weeks. They fill in some of the gaps wonderfully. I loved the the conversation between Darcy and his Aunt after she left Lizzie at Longborn. The wedding night from both Darcy and Lizzie's point of view were very well done.
: Anyone else?
: Mich
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Yes, I have, and enjoy most of them- very romantic, mushy stuff. I also really like the P&P2 set as a modern musical. Very, very funny.
Cheryl
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Posted by hat on October 28, 1996 at 17:47:16:
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: : I am disappointed in all of you. I handed you the perfect straight line above and no one picked up the ball and ran with it. Must I do everything myself?:
: Imagine Lizzy exploring his library! How she admires his volumes! Drawn to the novel, she can't wait to get between the covers!
: Fondly, Grace
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Grace, I am sorry to disappoint! Little Red Hen Syndrome is no fun at all.
Now, difficult (but hopefully not too unhappy) alternatives are before you, as to why I haven't engaged in this discussion so far:
1)The possibility that the much-vaunted library which promised so much pleasure was in fact a disappointment to Lizzie. Maybe the books were in a somewhat moth-eaten condition, or had perhaps been put in mothballs.
2)I am chastened and have sworn off any indulgence in inuendo.
3)I have assumed the high moral ground.
4)I am having trouble keeping up with the posts. The kids have discovered Lemmings 3D and the computor is in high demand; daylight saving has begun; my partner has returned from a fortnights trip away; and I have read 'The English Patient' and '1000 Acres'. In other words I have been somewhat in library mode myself.
I hope you can but smile at such a conclusion to such a beginning.
Fondly, Hilary
PS. As to your later post, Dickens and Tom Wolfe would be out of the question in Darcy's library, but I'd hazard a guess that she would have enjoyed 'Hard Times' or 'The Right Stuff'.
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Posted by Cheryl on October 28, 1996 at 17:47:33:
I have wondered how many of us are also members of related organizations such as Austen-L, Friends of Firth, and JASNA (Jane Austen Society of North America) and, of course, its British counterpart?
I am a member of JASNA and an avid reader of Austen-l.
Cheryl
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Posted by Mich on October 28, 1996 at 17:55:18:
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: : Sounds like a plan! I'm up for just about anytime.
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: Kali--
: I would love to E-Mail you but I do not know your address. If your address is obvious someplace, please excuse me. I am so new to all this computer stuff. Very illiterite. I am however learning as I go. My address is: lcnlew@ix.netcom.com.
: I am really looking forward to a meeting of us JA "junkies". Would scheduling this too soon before the holidays be a problem? I will be in San Francisco on December 20th for our Office Xmas Party. I could stay over and we could do Tea on December 21st. If this is not convenient for any who want to meet, anytime in January is also good for me. I never turn down an excuss to go to town. Is there anyone else out there who want to join us??? Please take every opportunity in enjoying yourself!
: - Candace
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Sounds fun. I'm pretty open in terms of a schedule.
Mich
msmith@cnsi-sf.com
Posted by Kali on October 28, 1996 at 18:01:36:
: I have wondered how many of us are also members of related organizations such as Austen-L, Friends of Firth, and JASNA (Jane Austen Society of North America) and, of course, its British counterpart?
: I am a member of JASNA and an avid reader of Austen-l.
: Cheryl
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Yeah, I'm on AUSTEN-L, too, and just sent my JASNA $$$ in this week...I can't wait to get involved!
How the heck does one go about being a Friend of Firth anyway? ; )
- K
Posted by mich on October 28, 1996 at 18:02:46:
: : Have any of you read the creative writings on the Friend of firth page, concerning P&P?
: : I have been enjoying them over the last two weeks. They fill in some of the gaps wonderfully. I loved the the conversation between Darcy and his Aunt after she left Lizzie at Longborn. The wedding night from both Darcy and Lizzie's point of view were very well done.
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: Yes, I have, and enjoy most of them- very romantic, mushy stuff. I also really like the P&P2 set as a modern musical. Very, very funny.
: Cheryl
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yes some of them went over the top but over all I thought they fit in with Austins characters.
Which one did you like the best?
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Posted by hat on October 28, 1996 at 18:19:56:
: : : I like how JA shows how Lizzie feels when Darcy comes back to Longbourne and he doesn't
: : : approach her fast enough. "If he no longer cares for me,why be silent?Teasing,teasing man!
: : : She is hooked.
: : : ciao Donna
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: : I wondered if it was because he'd done all the running in the past and it was up to her now to give him a bit of encouragement.
: : Though after Lady Catherine got in on the act he was fairly sure that Lizzie must have liked him a little!
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: Yes, it was and she still thought that he should be just has attentive as before, but now he made her wait. Teasing teasing man. Threir rolls have reversed a little.
: ciao Donna
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No, I don't think so. I think they both have too much at stake to be teasing and playing games here. In Lizzie's case it would be improper for her to directly broach the subject. For Darcy its a matter of once bitten, twice shy. And until the walk to Meryton they do not have the opportunity to talk together, and they were (as later acknowleged) both embarrassed, so neither encouraged the other. Thanks be to Lady C, who was so useful!
Hilary
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