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Posted by Tommye on October 28, 1996 at 12:54:58:
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: I'm warming up to Hinds too. I must confess I didn't like him too much as Wentworth. My Wentworth was a less-controlled, less hardened, more romantic figure.
: -Arnessa.
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I warmed up to Wentworth on my third Persuasion viewing. Now, he IS Wentworth. A few months ago, I caught a glance of him as a man in a whorehouse in "Mary Reilly" (which I didn't finish watching) and was most alarmed. There is something wonderfully alluring about his aloofness,
his furtive glances, that heightens the pleasure of their "kiss."
: Tommye
Posted by Tommye on October 28, 1996 at 12:56:57:
: : : I didn't realize that Hinds was in "Circle"- what was his role?
: : : Cheryl
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: : Hinds was the university lecturer--the one that talked about
: : sex in primitive cultures.
: : Ann
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: Oh! I can't picture him right now- it's been a while since I saw the movie, but I do recall thinking at the time that I didn't have any professors who looked like that! Now I've got to go rent the movie again.
: Cheryl
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Me, too. And I didn't even like the movie. But I will rent it again to see those two!
:Tommye
P. S. Is that sick???
Posted by Kim on October 28, 1996 at 13:00:58:
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: : In reply to Tommye's question; I have lost count of the number of times I have watched.Of course, I have my favorite parts that I watch over and over again. I'm afraid I will wear my tape out.
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: I know what you mean. A few nights ago I panicked when my VCR freaked out. I could hear Lizzy words but couldn't see her. The tracking went caflooey. All is well now, thank goodness.
: My consolation is that if I wear my tape out, there are many ways to purchase another set. I, too, re-watch favorite parts. But then I go back and start from the beginning every week or so.
: Tommye
: P. S. When I really think I need a break, I [almost torture myself by going back and] re-watch P&P 1.
: :Tommye
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I sometimes watch P&P 1, but I don't really like Darcy in it. He seems too stiff and unemotional. I saw P&P2 first, so I guess I was spoiled.
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Posted by Cheryl on October 28, 1996 at 13:02:15:
: True, my need for closure by MY definition, justice, demanded some exchanging of words, at a minimum, between Lizzy and Wickham. She was so utterly .adept later at handling Lady Catherine that I just knew Lizzy could undo Wickham with her words.
: :Tommye
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But she does in her own way. I like the conversation they have after Lizzy has read the letter from her aunt. She hints at the events surrounding Darcy, Georgianna and the living enough to show that she knows the truth. Wickham almost physically stumbles as he tries to back pedal the living thing and Lizzy stops him with "Come, Mr. Wickham, we are brother and sister after all, let us not quarrel." I have always clearly heard the unspoken words "As long as *you* know that *I* know" hanging in the air. Meaning, "don't pull anymore of this 'I was cheated out of my inhieritance' crap with *me*!" (But of course Lizzy is a more genteel person than I and worded it much more delicately.)
Cheryl
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Posted by Bernie on October 28, 1996 at 13:09:13:
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: : : In reply to Tommye's question; I have lost count of the number of times I have watched.Of course, I have my favorite parts that I watch over and over again. I'm afraid I will wear my tape out.
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: : I know what you mean. A few nights ago I panicked when my VCR freaked out. I could hear Lizzy words but couldn't see her. The tracking went caflooey. All is well now, thank goodness.
: : My consolation is that if I wear my tape out, there are many ways to purchase another set. I, too, re-watch favorite parts. But then I go back and start from the beginning every week or so.
: : Tommye
: : P. S. When I really think I need a break, I [almost torture myself by going back and] re-watch P&P 1.
: : :Tommye
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: I sometimes watch P&P 1, but I don't really like Darcy in it. He seems too stiff and unemotional. I saw P&P2 first, so I guess I was spoiled.
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I've watched all three versions numerous times. In ascending order of viewing frequency :- P&P0 < P&P1 << P&P2
Bernie
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Posted by Tommye on October 28, 1996 at 13:11:32:
. I thought I was the only one who lost her
: mind after seeing P&P2.
:Great way to put it! No, you're definitely NOT the only one who has lost her mind after P&P2! (Will there even be LIFE after P&P2???]
:Tommye
I wanted to know what else the lovers of this scene
: really enjoy.
: Thanks
: Karen
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This scene is pivotal. It also is the first time Darcy or Elizabeth have actually "told it like it is.."
I love it for showing Elizabeth's strength of character on the one hand (weaker souls might have listened to his harsh words yet disregarded them for the higher call of marrying Darcy!) and seeming shock on hearing of his affections towards her. Surely, "...nothing you said could have induced me to marry you..." echoed throughout the remainder of the story and forever in our heads.
With Darcy, before the resurgence of arrogance, I was hurting for him at the moment of his [astonished] rejection. So dumbfounded was he emotionally, yet he was still able to say, "and this is all [paraphrase: ] you intend to say? [I can't remember his exact words."
As he departed the room, Lizzy was visibly shaken, even undone at the confrontation (as sge later was with Lady Catherine].
:Tommye
P. S. When I first viewed this scene, at 11:30 pm back in April, I was so emotionally moved that I could not get to sleep!.
Posted by Tommye on October 28, 1996 at 13:19:19:
: This is the first I've heard about a P&P musical and CD. I read in Parade magazine (Oct 20 issue) that a new CD is coming out called The Jane Austen Collection. This will contain classical music from the romantic period. The writer of the piece (it was actually just a small tidbit) said that Jane Austen would have been surprised to find that the anthology was attributed to her. It's interesting how companies can find new ways to make money off the names of dead people who have little or nothing to do with what they're selling.
: Marie
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:My daughter has a part-time job at a music store, and she told me about the Jane Austen CD. Said it was extremely popular. I'd bet if she occasionally asked the purchasers of the CD WHY they were buying it, she would find that they, too, were ADDICTS.
:Tommye
Posted by Donna on October 28, 1996 at 13:45:38:
: : : : I've been trying to think of something intellegent to say about this subject, but words fail. I read and watch these scenes over and over and never tire of them. Wonderful writing and excellent film-making.
: : : : Cheryl
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: : : Oh, Cheryl -- Is not this the most beautifully done scene in the entire show? I have truly worn my tape thin from watching this over and over.
: : : The scenery is magnificent -- The music beautifully builds as they each spot each other -- too close to turn and run. They are each so uncomfortable. Him damp and not properly attired (ahh, but he does look oh so fine!) yet trying so hard to be so civil and "gentlemanly". Her so embarassed (I just love the way she turns her head and takes in air before she speaks). He then takes his leave. She cannot think of anything other than getting the Hell out of there. But here is when I really sigh -- Darcy emerges from the house in the most gorgeous suit -- Hair still damp (OH MY)
: : I feel hesitant to step into your lovely painting, Candace but as *I* was watching this scene the other day using the pauseknob from the door opening and Darcy rushing down the stairs (three to four steps in one leap) , slowing down (by the lovely Wishing Well or what is it) looking quite desperately around him (Where is she. I`ll run to the stables for a horse if I must..)Then he catches a glimpse of the carriage and speeds up again, buttoning up and trying to look proper as he sees Lizzy hurrying towards the carriage.
: : Then he almost cries out:M.B., You are not lieving?
: : And here is my point:
: : I had thought that the Voi che sapete-smile was the first where they both at the same time smiled at each other.But no, when he asks her if she is displeased with Pemberly and she denies it, there is an unmistakable sign of relief on his face when he continues "Then you approve of it?" and Lizzy seems to be touched by it when she answers"Very much" and gives him a beautiful open smile (showing her indeed tolerably white teeth). And on her remark that most people must like it, D answers graciously that her "praise so rarely bestowed is more worth the earning" and smiles back at her, dimples and all...(I get the feeling that they are not only referring to a house beautifully furnished and happily situated or even woods and hills and ponds...)
: : Ann2
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: Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!, Ann2, I did not include this, and am sighing quite deeply as you bring this part of the scene back to my attention. I too believe that he was not just referring to Pemberly in itself. He is giving her such a blantant clue as to his intentions of "earning her love". What a Man - What a Man - What a Man.
: Candace
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Yes ,when I realized what the did with the music, the bow and the wind their are definitly trying to tell us something. Change of heart for Lizzie and a change of social attitude for Mr. Darcy. It was delightful but of course all is not over yet the worst is yet to come. We should call this scene the calm before the storm.
ciao Donna
P.S. someone mention the look on his face when they are leaving Pemberly: definitly a Look of Longing.
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Posted by Ann on October 28, 1996 at 13:48:53:
: Yes, it was a good film. Firth really has range as an actor. I couldn't help wondering, though, if some scenes cut from the production for commercials. It seemed underdeveloped somehow. For one thing, you never got the feeling that John McCarthy and Jill were really longing for one another. I know in these sort of docudramas, one doesn't want to go overboard. Still, I felt that although all the actors gave excellent performances, the drama was somehow lacking. I wanted to see more of the relationship between John and Brian Keenan (Hinds). After John is freed, you don't even get to see them reunited. Ah well! I agree with you about Firth though. In this film, they tone down that megawatt magnetism of his. He was quite appealing however. All he has to do is crack a joke, and that slightly naughty look in his eyes is irresistable. (sigh)
: -Arnessa.
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I agree that the story didn't flow right. According to a
movie book I have, it only runs 100 minutes at full length.
With over five years to cover that's not much time.
They had the problem of having too many characters to deal
with. The film jumps from one to the next without deeply
developing any of them. I also think they left out a lot of
the physical brutality of the situation (though they did well
with the mental and emotional brutality). If it were made
for the US audience, it would have been much more graphic,
which in this case may have been entirely justified. The
aftermath of the Iranian plane being shot down didn't ring
true for me. I would think the reaction of the kidnappers
would have been much more violent. (But perhaps what they
showed was accurate, I haven't read Anderson's book.)
Ann
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Posted by Bernie on October 28, 1996 at 13:58:40:
: : : : : : But It would be a intresting
: : : : : : plot to see Caroline chasing a Darcy stricken by grief over
: : : : : : Lizzys early death.Maybe she had died in childbed after giving birth to too many children in a few years ( a common fate a that time).
: : : : : : Darcy would maybe feel responsible for Lizzys death.
: : : : : : maybe caroline would try to snare him then.
: : : : : : Anna-karin
: : : : :
: : : : : ___________________
: : : : : Anna-Karin,
: : : : : Please refrain from killing Lizzy off!!
: : : : : It is simply too horrible to think of.
: : : : : Ann
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: : : : Yes, I wouldn't want her to die, but see could leave for about a year or two due to having to many childern.
: : : : Knowing if she would stay that it would be a risk to her life. She wouldn't want him to feel responsible for her life and the temptation for both would be to devasting to live with. It is a desperate situation. This is the only problem that I could see being a wife and being happily married in the 1800's. I couldn't image giving birth so many time.There was always very large families. Having 10 to 12 childern was
: : : : common. It had to be a great fear in JA mind,maybe thats why she wasn't totally unhappy not being married.She lost many sister-in-laws this way.
: : : : Donna
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: : : I do notreally want to kill Lizzy of either.
: : : Donna You do not mean that Lizzy shouldleave Darcy for good or? Nothwithstanding it would break their hearts it would be a great social scandal if they really separated. someting they
: : : did not want to cause. But the problems of to
: : : many children in to little time could be real to them. Remember Mrs bennet gave birth to 5 in 7 years but then suddenly stopped even if it is clear from the book that she and mr Bennet tried to have a son for many ears after Lydia was born.
: : : So Lizzy can be expected to give birth to many children in quite a few years.It could be a problem for her and Darcy.But I do not think that separating would be considered really
: : : because of 1. the fact that they loved each other deeply. 2 .the social scandal.
: : : Maybe a solution could be separate bedrooms
: : : (to lessen the temptation not that I think it would do) or that Darcy maybe
: : : sometimes spend some time alone in the house in
: : : London to give Lizzy some rest.
: : : In some social high standing families of that time once the heir and maybe one son more was born the parents lived rather separated but
: : : mostly under the same roof.
: : : The men then often keept mistreses and went to prostitutes
: : : I thing I hope Darcy would not even consider.
: : : Anna-karin
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: : Folks! This thread is starting to sound like one of Emma Tennant's sequels!
: : Bernie
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: Fill us in Bernie, just a little and whats the title.
: Thanks Donna
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Briefly, Emma Tennant has written two P&P sequels; one shortly after Lizzie's marriage to Mr. Darcy and the second about 18 years further on. Both are pretty inaccurate, if you ask me.
Anyhow from what I remember, in the first sequel Pemberley Lizzie is now residing permanently in Derbyshire. Jane lives about 25 miles down the road and has a baby daughter. It is approaching Christmas time and the Darcy's are preparing for a large family get together -- Georgiana, the Gardiners, Mrs. Bennet (Mr. Bennet is dead) + Kitty and Mary, the Bingley's (sans Duckface) are all invited -- Darcy decides he has to invite Lady C. As it turns out, Duckface turns up at the Bingley's and the Wickhams end up coming to stay in the Gardiners house in the North!! Also, her family and neighbours are giving her very strong hints that it is about time she produced an heir -- she has been married for over a year; Jane has 1 + 1 on the way and Lydia has four!! She is also somewhat proccupied on that score and confides to Jane that she thinks she is barren.
As you can gather Duckface and the Wickhams end up at Pemberley. The family gathering is an unmitigated disaster. Mrs. Bennet, especially is so vulgar and crude! Darcy gets an important message and says he must leave for London immediately. Lizzie can't stand staying at Pemberley, so takes a walk to the village. There she espies Darcy walking with a small boy. She immediately jumps to the conclusion that the boy is Darcy's love child .......
I could go on, but you should get the jist of the story. As far as I'm concerned, this doesn't even come close to JA's novels. A lot of the basic facts are wrong -- almost as if Emma Tennant hasn't read P&P. Also Lizzie is portrayed as a spineless, whining, weepy chit -- completely contradictory to the Lizzie we all know and love. IMHO if you want some candy floss to read, then go ahead, otherwise I wouldn't bother!!
Sorry about rambling on so, I got a touch carried away!!
Bernie
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Posted by Donna on October 28, 1996 at 13:59:23:
: : Yes, it was a good film. Firth really has range as an actor. I couldn't help wondering, though, if some scenes cut from the production for commercials. It seemed underdeveloped somehow. For one thing, you never got the feeling that John McCarthy and Jill were really longing for one another. I know in these sort of docudramas, one doesn't want to go overboard. Still, I felt that although all the actors gave excellent performances, the drama was somehow lacking. I wanted to see more of the relationship between John and Brian Keenan (Hinds). After John is freed, you don't even get to see them reunited. Ah well! I agree with you about Firth though. In this film, they tone down that megawatt magnetism of his. He was quite appealing however. All he has to do is crack a joke, and that slightly naughty look in his eyes is irresistable. (sigh)
: : -Arnessa.
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: I agree that the story didn't flow right. According to a
: movie book I have, it only runs 100 minutes at full length.
: With over five years to cover that's not much time.
: They had the problem of having too many characters to deal
: with. The film jumps from one to the next without deeply
: developing any of them. I also think they left out a lot of
: the physical brutality of the situation (though they did well
: with the mental and emotional brutality). If it were made
: for the US audience, it would have been much more graphic,
: which in this case may have been entirely justified. The
: aftermath of the Iranian plane being shot down didn't ring
: true for me. I would think the reaction of the kidnappers
: would have been much more violent. (But perhaps what they
: showed was accurate, I haven't read Anderson's book.)
: Ann
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Yes,that was the first thing I noticed was after being held by kidnappers for seven years there wasn't much reaction from either. We have seen how happy these poor man have been to come home. They kiss the ground and thank god that they are still alive. It was a stupid ending.
Thanks, Donna
P.S. Who invented duck tape? That was awful,but I guess it was true.
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Posted by Donna on October 28, 1996 at 14:13:36:
: : : : : : : But It would be a intresting
: : : : : : : plot to see Caroline chasing a Darcy stricken by grief over
: : : : : : : Lizzys early death.Maybe she had died in childbed after giving birth to too many children in a few years ( a common fate a that time).
: : : : : : : Darcy would maybe feel responsible for Lizzys death.
: : : : : : : maybe caroline would try to snare him then.
: : : : : : : Anna-karin
: : : : : :
: : : : : : ___________________
: : : : : : Anna-Karin,
: : : : : : Please refrain from killing Lizzy off!!
: : : : : : It is simply too horrible to think of.
: : : : : : Ann
: : : : :
: : : : : ___________________
: : : : : Yes, I wouldn't want her to die, but see could leave for about a year or two due to having to many childern.
: : : : : Knowing if she would stay that it would be a risk to her life. She wouldn't want him to feel responsible for her life and the temptation for both would be to devasting to live with. It is a desperate situation. This is the only problem that I could see being a wife and being happily married in the 1800's. I couldn't image giving birth so many time.There was always very large families. Having 10 to 12 childern was
: : : : : common. It had to be a great fear in JA mind,maybe thats why she wasn't totally unhappy not being married.She lost many sister-in-laws this way.
: : : : : Donna
: : : :
: : : : ___________________
: : : : I do notreally want to kill Lizzy of either.
: : : : Donna You do not mean that Lizzy shouldleave Darcy for good or? Nothwithstanding it would break their hearts it would be a great social scandal if they really separated. someting they
: : : : did not want to cause. But the problems of to
: : : : many children in to little time could be real to them. Remember Mrs bennet gave birth to 5 in 7 years but then suddenly stopped even if it is clear from the book that she and mr Bennet tried to have a son for many ears after Lydia was born.
: : : : So Lizzy can be expected to give birth to many children in quite a few years.It could be a problem for her and Darcy.But I do not think that separating would be considered really
: : : : because of 1. the fact that they loved each other deeply. 2 .the social scandal.
: : : : Maybe a solution could be separate bedrooms
: : : : (to lessen the temptation not that I think it would do) or that Darcy maybe
: : : : sometimes spend some time alone in the house in
: : : : London to give Lizzy some rest.
: : : : In some social high standing families of that time once the heir and maybe one son more was born the parents lived rather separated but
: : : : mostly under the same roof.
: : : : The men then often keept mistreses and went to prostitutes
: : : : I thing I hope Darcy would not even consider.
: : : : Anna-karin
: : :
: : : ___________________
: : : Folks! This thread is starting to sound like one of Emma Tennant's sequels!
: : : Bernie
: : :
: : : ___________________
: :
: : ___________________
: :
: : Fill us in Bernie, just a little and whats the title.
: : Thanks Donna
:
: ___________________
: Briefly, Emma Tennant has written two P&P sequels; one shortly after Lizzie's marriage to Mr. Darcy and the second about 18 years further on. Both are pretty inaccurate, if you ask me.
: Anyhow from what I remember, in the first sequel Pemberley Lizzie is now residing permanently in Derbyshire. Jane lives about 25 miles down the road and has a baby daughter. It is approaching Christmas time and the Darcy's are preparing for a large family get together -- Georgiana, the Gardiners, Mrs. Bennet (Mr. Bennet is dead) + Kitty and Mary, the Bingley's (sans Duckface) are all invited -- Darcy decides he has to invite Lady C. As it turns out, Duckface turns up at the Bingley's and the Wickhams end up coming to stay in the Gardiners house in the North!! Also, her family and neighbours are giving her very strong hints that it is about time she produced an heir -- she has been married for over a year; Jane has 1 + 1 on the way and Lydia has four!! She is also somewhat proccupied on that score and confides to Jane that she thinks she is barren.
: As you can gather Duckface and the Wickhams end up at Pemberley. The family gathering is an unmitigated disaster. Mrs. Bennet, especially is so vulgar and crude! Darcy gets an important message and says he must leave for London immediately. Lizzie can't stand staying at Pemberley, so takes a walk to the village. There she espies Darcy walking with a small boy. She immediately jumps to the conclusion that the boy is Darcy's love child .......
: I could go on, but you should get the jist of the story. As far as I'm concerned, this doesn't even come close to JA's novels. A lot of the basic facts are wrong -- almost as if Emma Tennant hasn't read P&P. Also Lizzie is portrayed as a spineless, whining, weepy chit -- completely contradictory to the Lizzie we all know and love. IMHO if you want some candy floss to read, then go ahead, otherwise I wouldn't bother!!
: Sorry about rambling on so, I got a touch carried away!!
: Bernie
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I get the message. I'll stick with JA. I couldn't imagine writing a sequel and not reading the orginal book, beside know one will ever take her place.
Thanks Donna
PS there are certain times in some of the books about her that you can't help filling-up at the loss. Even the person who wrote the book feels a great loss.{I guess they would not have written the book if they didn't.}
Thanks Donna
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Posted by Ann on October 28, 1996 at 14:16:37:
: That bit about how neither Darcy nor Lady C. has ever met with such outspokenness in a young person, and one beneath them to be sure, was keenly observed.
: Ann2
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Both Darcy and Lady Catherine are attracted to Lizzy in part
because of her outspokenness. Lady C. wanted Lizzy to stay
on in Kent another month and thought her a good enough
traveling partner to take her to London in the barouche.
People who are used to having others grovel before them must
find someone like Lizzy refreshing.
Ann
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Posted by Ann on October 28, 1996 at 14:29:51:
: Thanks, Donna
: P.S. Who invented duck tape? That was awful,but I guess it was true.
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That's duct tape, as in the stuff you use to seal
air ducts. It is a miraculous invention which holds the
world together!!
Ann
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Posted by Alicia on October 28, 1996 at 14:52:35:
: : :
: : : : In reply to Tommye's question; I have lost count of the number of times I have watched.Of course, I have my favorite parts that I watch over and over again. I'm afraid I will wear my tape out.
: : : ___________________
: : : I know what you mean. A few nights ago I panicked when my VCR freaked out. I could hear Lizzy's words but couldn't see her. The tracking went caflooey. All is well now, thank goodness.
: : : My consolation is that if I wear my tape out, there are many ways to purchase another set. I, too, re-watch favorite parts. But then I go back and start from the beginning every week or so.
: : : Tommye
: : : P. S. When I really think I need a break, I [almost torture myself by going back and] re-watch P&P 1.
: : : :Tommye
: :
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: : I sometimes watch P&P 1, but I don't really like Darcy in it. He seems too stiff and unemotional. I saw P&P2 first, so I guess I was spoiled.
:
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: I've watched all three versions numerous times. In ascending order of viewing frequency :- P&P0 < P&P1 << P&P2
: Bernie
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I have not seen any of the older versions of P&P -- only P&P2. Based on your opinions, I guess I should stick to P&P2 and NOT watch P&P0 nor P&P1 (for fear of being disappointed since P&P2 is so incredibly wonderful).
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Posted by Paula on October 28, 1996 at 14:55:32:
Too many of us have lost all ability to be forebearing about anything, no matter how trivial, and society is decidedly not the better for it!
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I think society has undergone an enormous change in this area since I was a child. We went from the uptight '50s to the "let it all hang out" 60s & 70s, and there's both an upside and a downside to this.
On one hand, it's considered to be emotionally healthy to express one's feelings and not bottle them up. But on the other hand, that's often used as an excuse for behavior that is uncontrolled and hurtful -- too many people simply "vent" without regard as to how it will affect anyone else.
I agree, "self-indulgent" would probably describe society today more than "forebearing."
Lizzy made the right choice because there was nothing to be gained by confronting the wicked Wickham. She let him know (nicely of course) that she knew he was a lying jerk. Telling him off wouldn't change him because he was really a bad person and didn't care. By contrast, telling Darcy off had a completely different result--Darcy reacted well and changed as a result because he was basically a good person.
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Posted by Kim on October 28, 1996 at 14:57:15:
How and when did this group get started? I just got into this last Friday and I love it.
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Posted by Alicia on October 28, 1996 at 15:04:08:
: : : : : I've been trying to think of something intellegent to say about this subject, but words fail. I read and watch these scenes over and over and never tire of them. Wonderful writing and excellent film-making.
: : : : : Cheryl
: : : :
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: : : :
: : : : Oh, Cheryl -- Is not this the most beautifully done scene in the entire show? I have truly worn my tape thin from watching this over and over.
: : : : The scenery is magnificent -- The music beautifully builds as they each spot each other -- too close to turn and run. They are each so uncomfortable. Him damp and not properly attired (ahh, but he does look oh so fine!) yet trying so hard to be so civil and "gentlemanly". Her so embarassed (I just love the way she turns her head and takes in air before she speaks). He then takes his leave. She cannot think of anything other than getting the Hell out of there. But here is when I really sigh -- Darcy emerges from the house in the most gorgeous suit -- Hair still damp (OH MY)
: : : I feel hesitant to step into your lovely painting, Candace but as *I* was watching this scene the other day using the pauseknob from the door opening and Darcy rushing down the stairs (three to four steps in one leap) , slowing down (by the lovely Wishing Well or what is it) looking quite desperately around him (Where is she. I`ll run to the stables for a horse if I must..)Then he catches a glimpse of the carriage and speeds up again, buttoning up and trying to look proper as he sees Lizzy hurrying towards the carriage.
: : : Then he almost cries out:M.B., You are not lieving?
: : : And here is my point:
: : : I had thought that the Voi che sapete-smile was the first where they both at the same time smiled at each other.But no, when he asks her if she is displeased with Pemberly and she denies it, there is an unmistakable sign of relief on his face when he continues "Then you approve of it?" and Lizzy seems to be touched by it when she answers"Very much" and gives him a beautiful open smile (showing her indeed tolerably white teeth). And on her remark that most people must like it, D answers graciously that her "praise so rarely bestowed is more worth the earning" and smiles back at her, dimples and all...(I get the feeling that they are not only referring to a house beautifully furnished and happily situated or even woods and hills and ponds...)
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: : Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!, Ann2, I did not include this, and am sighing quite deeply as you bring this part of the scene back to my attention. I too believe that he was not just referring to Pemberly in itself. He is giving her such a blantant clue as to his intentions of "earning her love". What a Man - What a Man - What a Man.
: : Candace
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: Yes ,when I realized what the did with the music, the bow and the wind their are definitly trying to tell us something. Change of heart for Lizzie and a change of social attitude for Mr. Darcy. It was delightful but of course all is not over yet the worst is yet to come. We should call this scene the calm before the storm.
: ciao Donna
: P.S. someone mention the look on his face when they are leaving Pemberly: definitly a Look of Longing.
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YES, the "look" on Darcy's face when Lizzy is leaving Pemberley. Actually, on both occasions -- when Lizzy leaves after the unexpected meeting, and when she leaves after dining at Pemberley. As she leaves the first time, when she turns around to look at Darcy and he watches her as her coach leaves....and as she leaves after dinner, Bingley escorts Georgiana back inside the house, but Darcy lingers behind to watch Lizzy leave.... oh, definitely the most gentle looks of longing anyone could ever hope for.
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Posted by hat on October 28, 1996 at 15:25:09:
: : Thanks, Donna
: : P.S. Who invented duck tape? T
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: That's duct tape, as in the stuff you use to seal
: air ducts. It is a miraculous invention which holds the
: world together!!
: Ann
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No, Donna's right - duck tape is the stuff you use to seal aggressive ducks beaks. Its a miraculous invention which renders them harmless, and holds the world-as-we-know- it together. Invented possibly in the eary 1800s by one F. Darcy.
Hilary
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Posted by Genie on October 28, 1996 at 15:36:58:
: : of that wonderful movie! Are there any other books that are similar to JA's that are a real good read? I just finished A Long Fatal Love Chase so I am looking for another adventure! Thanks, Sarah
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: : Georgett Heyer is pretty good for that time period, & is very funny- she has some comedies ans some adventures, and she wrote a LOT- so it will occupy a considerable time!
: : Marsha (a first-year Cornell student)
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: : Start with Heyer's Arabella. The hero, Mr. Beaumaris is definitely a Darcy wannabee.
: Don't miss The Scarlet Pimpernel for adventure and restrained passion. (I think we should begin a campaign to get this remade with Colin Firth in the lead.... and no Jane Seymour,PLEASE).
: Presumption and The Third Sister (Barrett)are okay in the sequel department, harmless enough and entertaining.
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Great minds must truly think alike! After viewing and reviewing P&P, I got to thinking how wonderful Cf would be in the Scarlet Pimpernel. I gort the book, read it about ten times, rented the original movie with Leslie Howard & Merle Oberon (surprisingly good but not always faithful to the book) and started to write a screenplay more in keeping with the suspense and issues in the book. Just a bit more of my CF and indirectly P&P obsession. I, too, read the Emma Tennant books and found them in accurate and generally dreadful. Julia Barret was somewhat less dreadful. I thought "if they can get this rubbish published, why can't I write something?" Not a sequel, mind you, just some ruminations.. mostly about what happens to Darcy in those months between Rosings and Pemberley. I have about fifteen pages written, which wasn't so difficult, given my obsession with the book and telecast. (I began to speak "Austenese" many months ago.)
One related book, which I found helpful in explaining some social questions of the time, is "What Jane Austen Ate and Charles Dickens Knew" by Pool. It is not a stuffy, scholarly work, but well-researched and easy to read. Great reference for 19th century Brit-Lit.
One thing I learned from this book was the reason for the high rank Darcy enjoyed. Lady Catherine says somewhere in P&P novel that he was "from an ancient, though untitled, family.." His first name Fitzwilliam (from the French fils or son) as well as his last (d'Arcy) are from the French. Families that could trace their ancestry back to the Normans, even without titles, were considered superior, it seems, to other nobility, and perhaps, Anglo Saxons. In fact, in JA many of her heroes have names that are basically French, while the villians usually do not. (My own observation)
Anyway, I have digressed here a great deal. Perhaps this is not the correct place to post a message, but I had such a hard time figuring out what to do, that I thought I should say everything in one place rather than risk screwing up somewhere. (I am not very technically endowed.)
BTW, I love reading everyone's comments, many of which reflect my own questions, thoughts, and feelings.
Hasta luego. genie
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